For those who don't think Drew makes the HOF

[Hostile]

The latest update on career comeback victories I could find for Bledsoe was 22 in Week 5 of 2003 - In 145 games Bledsoe had 22 comeback victories
Elway in 234 games had 47 comeback victories it's a 5% difference - So essentially I don't believe that is enough to let Elway in on (impact, legend) if he is that similar to Bledsoe ...

Elway's Broncos were perenial contenders because of him more than anything else.

That is impact.

His comebacks weren't just regualr everyday comebacks. Some of them will be talked about forever. The drive to kill Cleveland for instance.

His scrambling ability separated him from Bledsoe. It wasn't just that he could scramble, it's that when he did it was usually a dagger in the heart. He did all that with a kneee with no cartildge in it.

In other words, he achieved legendary status in the NFL. When discussing the greatest QB ever he is in the discussion. I like Drew Bledsoe, but I'm sorry, he is not in that discussion.

Elway had an aura of invincibility around him. I'm calling that impact. You can call it whatever you want.

Players who make the Hall of Fame impact the game by more than just stats. Right now Bledsoe has nothing but stats and some of them work against him. To get in the Hall of Fame he would need to make a greater impact on the game.

Some here keep saying if he wins a Super Bowl. Maybe. It isn't a given. Jim Plunkett won 2 of them. He isn't in. That is where his stats would save him.

 

[Hostile]

Aikman had great impact on the game when he he played on a great team. That's about 4 or 5 out of his 12 seasons in the league.

I don't see much difference in what Aikman did from '89-91 or 97-00 than Bledsoe. Except when Bledsoe played on bad teams, he could at least put up pro bowl type numbers.

Why is Tom Brady being mentioned in the same breath as Aikman and Montana when he hasn't had a long career yet?

Winning % in post season.

You'll never take that away from Aikman. Might as well stop trying. The team was great partly because of him.

 

[Hostile]

Hos - Bledsoe wins a Super Bowl here and he carries the offense. He'll be revered in Cowboy history. Big ifs

Sorry, no. Revered is too strong a word. Respected? Sure, I'll give you that. Revered? No. We wona Super Bowl by stealing Deion away from the 49ers. He isn't revered.

 

[Hostile]

I'm not going to argue that Elway wasnt great or didnt deserve HOF, but I honestly think this "come from behind victories" stat is just garbage...what does it really mean? How can you give them credit for "come from behind" wins when if the teams defense doesnt step up and stop people, you never get a chance to come from behind...similarly, if a guy is so great why does his team have to play from behind so much anyway? why cant he play great at the beginning of a game and get a lead?

and to further prove my argument about how lame the "come from behind wins" stat is, look no further than an ESPN stat shown yesterday...Aaron Brooks and Jake Plummer were the current leaders in "come from behind wins" among active QB's

like I said, totally worthless stat and one I dont give any shred of weight to when I look at how good a QB is

David

Call it garbage but it built on his legend just like it did for Roger.

Garbage? Naw. Not going to agree with you on that one.

 

[jay cee]

Why is Tom Brady being mentioned in the same breath as Aikman and Montana when he hasn't had a long career yet?

Winning % in post season.

You'll never take that away from Aikman. Might as well stop trying. The team was great partly because of him.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Aikman, I'm saying that he had very little impact on the game when he had a poor team around him.

Bledsoe has never played with a team as good as the Cowboys from 92-96. And no one can honestly say that Aikman had much of an impact in the league in any year other than those years.

 

[Nors]

By that logic Ted Williams would be out - never won a World Series.

There are no Elway, Bledsoe comparisons. Elway is one of the greats ever.


Bledsoe wins a Super Bowl and hits 50,000 yards - he DESERVES in. PERIOD

 

[Hostile]

I'm not trying to take anything away from Aikman, I'm saying that he had very little impact on the game when he had a poor team around him.

Bledsoe has never played with a team as good as the Cowboys from 92-96. And no one can honestly say that Aikman had much of an impact in the league in any year other than those years.

That isn't "taking away from him?"

Okay.

 

[Nors]

Plunkett career

25,882 yards 164 Td's 198 Ints NOT A HOF QB or even close


Bledsoe at age 33 -

41000 yards + 231 Td's 184 Ints - 4 Pro Bowls

Bled wins a SB and has 3 more years+ = he's in - JMO

 

[Hostile]

By that logic Ted Williams would be out - never won a World Series.

There are no Elway, Bledsoe comparisons. Elway is one of the greats ever.


Bledsoe wins a Super Bowl and hits 50,000 yards - he DESERVES in. PERIOD

Absolutely wrong. Ted Williams had tremendous impact on the game of baseball. Triple Crown winner mean anything to you? It does to me.

I didn't bring up Elway, someone else did so whine to them. I said they don't belong in the same sentence. Even you agree I'm right about that apparently.

Period nothing. IF he hits those benchmarks is the not what this thread was about in the first place. The fact of the matter is without the fictional aspect of IF, you've got nothing in comparison to the actual facts that have been presented about impact.

 

[Hostile]

Plunkett career

25,882 yards 164 Td's 198 Ints NOT A HOF QB or even close


Bledsoe at age 33 -

41000 yards + 231 Td's 184 Ints - 4 Pro Bowls

Bled wins a SB and has 3 more years+ = he's in - JMO

Like I said, without the fictional aspect of IF, there's no debate.

 

[Nors]

I already noted his impact on righting a 1-15 franchise and taking a 3-13 franchise to respectability.

You are now witnessing it real - not what you read or were told by Bills fans.

How many QB's have 50,000 yards?

Krieg - 38,000
Esiason 38,000
VT 44,000 NFL Career Int leader - No AFC champ win

Your attempt at lumping them with Drew is going down as fast as those that called for Drew's demise in February!

 

[Nors]

Like I said, without the fictional aspect of IF, there's no debate.

Plunkett - shot out of water - next

Bledsoe still has game and on cusp - "if" is reality.

He's not the first 33 year old player on the cusp. What happens next is huge for his future. I know you were there in Arizona and down on him, the Bill Fans and LTN hatred here. Fact is the kid is a tremendous QB that is carrying this offense. Yet still faces the "hatred" of many - not open but there.

And its burning many up that Drew is lighting it up - game set match.

 

[Hostile]

I already noted his impact on righting a 1-15 franchise and taking a 3-13 franchise to respectability.

You are now witnessing it real - not what you read or were told by Bills fans.

How many QB's have 50,000 yards?

Krieg - 38,000
Esiason 38,000
VT 44,000 NFL Career Int leader - No AFC champ win

Your attempt at lumping them with Drew is going down as fast as those that called for Drew's demise in February!

Fact...he doesn't have 50,000 yards...yet. Thus you are using an IF to try and make a point.

I can play that too. IF he gets a Thiesman type injury he will not make the Hall of Fame...period.

Yeah, it sounds foolish to me too, but equal to the other point.

Now let's talk about the 1-15 and 3-13 stuff. How many people know that about him? Is it a regualr topic of discussion about his career? Nope.

Fact, his waiver from 2 teams hurts every bit as much as 1-15 and 3-13 helps.

Your entire debate is based on IF.

I lumped Drew with Krieg, DeBerg and Testaverde because without stats he's as invisible as they are.

 

[Hostile]

Plunkett - shot out of water - next

Bledsoe still has game and on cusp - "if" is reality.

He's not the first 33 year old player on the cusp. What happens next is huge for his future. I know you were there in Arizona and down on him, the Bill Fans and LTN hatred here. Fact is the kid is a tremendous QB that is carrying this offense. Yet still faces the "hatred" of many - not open but there.

And its burning many up that Drew is lighting it up - game set match.

Plunkett shot out of water?

Learn to read, I said he won 2 Super Bowls and that didn't save him for the Hall.

I never said he was Hall worthy. I said winning Super Bowls doesn't necessarily guarantee anything.

You're whole premise is an IF.

Next?

 

[Nors]

Wrong 50,000 yards and 300 TD's are no "ifs" but major consideration.

Plunkett was a 25,000 yard guy 30 Inters over TD's career guy. Not even in this discussion.

Bledsoe walked into this town and kicked Henson to the curb - thats at your craw. We win a SB with Drew he's in. "If" ok


You didn't answer my question? How many QB's have thrown for 50,000 yards? Dre Bled was starting as a 20 year old kid in the NFL.....I kNOW YOU WERE THERE BUT YOU HAVE TO GET OVER THE HENSON PEDIGREE!!!!!!! This is all about Drew and us winning now and LT.

 

[Rack]

It's funny seeing Nors compare the numbers of players from 20 years ago to that of a player still playing.

If you know anything about the game then you know the game is a lot different now then it was back then. Today, mostly due to rules changes, QBs put up insane numbers (when compared to the numbers of QBs back then).

Might as well put Jamal Lewis in the HoF cuz he has a 2K yard season and some bum that played in 1920 is in the HoF and never broke 1K.


Going by Nors logic, there's about 35 WRs in the game today that belong in the HoF because they have better numbers then mostly every WR already in the HoF.


Nors argument shot all to hell, and I did it w/o taking him off ignore. How 'bout them apples?

 

[Hostile]

Wrong 50,000 yards and 300 TD's are no "ifs" but major consideration.

Plunkett was a 25,000 yard guy 30 Inters over TD's career guy. Not even in this discussion.

Bledsoe walked into this town and kicked Henson to the curb - thats at your craw. We win a SB with Drew he's in. "If" ok


You didn't answer my question? How many QB's have thrown for 50,000 yards? Dre Bled was starting as a 20 year old kid in the NFL.....I kNOW YOU WERE THERE BUT YOU HAVE TO GET OVER THE HENSON PEDIGREE!!!!!!! This is all about Drew and us winning now and LT.

They are IFs because they haven't happened yet. You're saying those numbers like they are a given. They aren't. Injuries happen. Implosions happen. Players retire abruptly.

He hasn't achieved those numbers yet so that is all hypothetical. That means it's an IF.

How old are you? I mean really. You're getting your butt kicked in a civil debate so you go to all caps shouting and bringing up topics completely unrelated to anything. For what reason? Does it make you feel like it proves you're not talking out of a nether region?

It would be better if you just admitted you got nothing instead of acting like that.

 

[Rack]

How old are you? I mean really. You're getting your butt kicked in a civil debate so you go to all caps shouting and bringing up topics completely unrelated to anything. For what reason? Does it make you feel like it proves you're not talking out of a nether region?

One of the many reasons he's on my ignore list.


Now if I could just get all you people to quit quoting him, this place would be a Utopia for me.

 

[Dale]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think carrying the label as "The Guy Replaced By Tom Brady" will severely hurt Bledsoe's chances for making the Hall of Fame....unless he adds a big exclamation point to his career here in Dallas. Fair or unfair, people remember him as the guy who *didn't* take New England to three Super Bowls.

Good news for him is that his career is not yet over. Who knows what's still in store for him...he still controls his own destiny, really (corny, yes, I know).

 

[Hostile]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think carrying the label as "The Guy Replaced By Tom Brady" will severely hurt Bledsoe's chances for making the Hall of Fame....unless he adds a big exclamation point to his career here in Dallas. Fair or unfair, people remember him as the guy who *didn't* take New England to three Super Bowls.

Good news for him is that his career is not yet over. Who knows what's still in store for him...he still controls his own destiny, really (corny, yes, I know).

I did mention that he's been waived twice and it will hurt.