For those with All 22, was the oline really that bad in the running game?

[tm1119]

Just out of curiosity because I keep seeing everyone saying how bad the o-line was and how Zeke had no where to run....not quite how it looked to me watching on TV and then some highlights. There were definitely times where there was no where to run, but there were more than a few times where I thought there was plenty of space for Zeke to at least get 4-5 yards, if not more. Maybe they weren't the intended running lanes, but the #4 overall pick should be able to find cut back lanes, and most importantly STAY PATIENT. I felt like Zeke was just slamming himself into a pile on a lot of his stuffed runs without even attempting to look for an alternative route. I hope the coaching staff had Le'Veon Bell tape on loop for Zeke to watch after that game(obviously just on field stuff).

*Yes, I'm aware it was Zeke's 1st NFL game and it's not my intention to bash him. Just curious to get people's opinions who have watched from a better camera angle

 

[Zman5]

Main culprits were Witt and Collins in the running game. Play call didn't help either. I would have tried more outside runs and even run few jet sweeps to Lucky to give the Gints DL one more thing to think about.

 

[Kevinicus]

Just out of curiosity because I keep seeing everyone saying how bad the o-line was and how Zeke had no where to run....not quite how it looked to me watching on TV and then some highlights. There were definitely times where there was no where to run, but there were more than a few times where I thought there was plenty of space for Zeke to at least get 4-5 yards, if not more. Maybe they weren't the intended running lanes, but the #4 overall pick should be able to find cut back lanes, and most importantly STAY PATIENT. I felt like Zeke was just slamming himself into a pile on a lot of his stuffed runs without even attempting to look for an alternative route. I hope the coaching staff had Le'Veon Bell tape on loop for Zeke to watch after that game(obviously just on field stuff).

*Yes, I'm aware it was Zeke's 1st NFL game and it's not my intention to bash him. Just curious to get people's opinions who have watched from a better camera angle

You thought/saw wrong.

 

[cowboys2233]

Just out of curiosity because I keep seeing everyone saying how bad the o-line was and how Zeke had no where to run....not quite how it looked to me watching on TV and then some highlights. There were definitely times where there was no where to run, but there were more than a few times where I thought there was plenty of space for Zeke to at least get 4-5 yards, if not more. Maybe they weren't the intended running lanes, but the #4 overall pick should be able to find cut back lanes, and most importantly STAY PATIENT. I felt like Zeke was just slamming himself into a pile on a lot of his stuffed runs without even attempting to look for an alternative route. I hope the coaching staff had Le'Veon Bell tape on loop for Zeke to watch after that game(obviously just on field stuff).

*Yes, I'm aware it was Zeke's 1st NFL game and it's not my intention to bash him. Just curious to get people's opinions who have watched from a better camera angle

Zeke nor the o-line are anywhere close to being a problem. Your energy would be better spent criticizing other parts of the team...or the entire front office.

 

[Seven]

Zeke needed to be a little more patient.

There were holes, sometimes gaping, off tackle. He plowed forward into backs and *****.

There were also creases where Morris got skinny and some yards with a little patience.

He'll be fine, IMO.

 

[superonyx]

Just out of curiosity because I keep seeing everyone saying how bad the o-line was and how Zeke had no where to run....not quite how it looked to me watching on TV and then some highlights. There were definitely times where there was no where to run, but there were more than a few times where I thought there was plenty of space for Zeke to at least get 4-5 yards, if not more. Maybe they weren't the intended running lanes, but the #4 overall pick should be able to find cut back lanes, and most importantly STAY PATIENT. I felt like Zeke was just slamming himself into a pile on a lot of his stuffed runs without even attempting to look for an alternative route. I hope the coaching staff had Le'Veon Bell tape on loop for Zeke to watch after that game(obviously just on field stuff).

*Yes, I'm aware it was Zeke's 1st NFL game and it's not my intention to bash him. Just curious to get people's opinions who have watched from a better camera angle

Wait...you mean to say honestly that it looked like Zeke had room to run?
You can't be serious?

There is a video from NFL showing all Zekes carries week 1. It's been posted several times. Go to YouTube and watch it....

Then come back and say you think Zeke had room to run.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Main culprits were Witt and Collins in the running game. Play call didn't help either. I would have tried more outside runs and even run few jet sweeps to Lucky to give the Gints DL one more thing to think about.

I was surprised that there was no jet sweep called. Based on pre season, I assumed the fake jet sweep would be used multiple times and the jet sweep would be used once per game or so.

 

[CATCH17]

Just watch the Zeke highlights..

You don't need the all 22 to see how they played it.

When we didn't have 3 receivers on the field the Giants stack 8 & sometimes 9 in the box.

Hankins and Harrison clogged up the middle. There just wasn't space. I'm not making excuses it's just the reality.

We lost a numbers game.

Also, the Giants LB were coming down hill to stop the run before Zeke even got the ball at times.

 

[Idgit]

Just watch the Zeke highlights..

You don't need the all 22 to see how they played it.

When we didn't have 3 receivers on the field the Giants stack 8 & sometimes 9 in the box.

Hankins and Harrison clogged up the middle. There just wasn't space. I'm not making excuses it's just the reality.

We lost a numbers game.

Also, the Giants LB were coming down hill to stop the run before Zeke even got the ball at times.

It kind of is an excuse though, isn't it? With the money and resources we've poured into our interior OL and RB positions, we need to win those matchups in games like this one more often than we did.

I have no doubt Zeke is going to be a really good player for us, really quickly, but I was completely disappointed with our running game Sunday. Including play calling where I wanted to see us attacking the perimeter to tire out those DLs and put some pressure on a bad LB corps. That, and the poor interior run defense were my biggest disappointments with the loss.

 

[CATCH17]

It kind of is an excuse though, isn't it? With the money and resources we've poured into our interior OL and RB positions, we need to win those matchups in games like this one more often than we did.

I have no doubt Zeke is going to be a really good player for us, really quickly, but I was completely disappointed with our running game Sunday. Including play calling where I wanted to see us attacking the perimeter to tire out those DLs and put some pressure on a bad LB corps. That, and the poor interior run defense were my biggest disappointments with the loss.

Well.. I guess it is kind of an excuse but i'm not of the belief that you should be able to consistently be able to run against a pro team selling out to stop the run. Maybe you'll pop 1 or 2 that inflate your average but I expect to get stuffed a lot.

I was happy with how we did on 3rd and short. We could get that. But anything beyond 3 yards was bottled up.

I would think that a team trying that hard to stop the run wouldn't be able to also complete take out one of the NFL best Wideouts.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Might have been Fred's worst game.

 

[Idgit]

Well.. I guess it is kind of an excuse but i'm not of the belief that you should be able to consistently be able to run against a pro team selling out to stop the run. Maybe you'll pop 1 or 2 that inflate your average but I expect to get stuffed a lot.

I was happy with how we did on 3rd and short. We could get that. But anything beyond 3 yards was bottled up.

I would think that a team trying that hard to stop the run wouldn't be able to also complete take out one of the NFL best Wideouts.

You're right on short yardage, I guess. I wasn't expecting to man-handle them, but I did think Zeke would put up more than 50 on them.

On the Dez thing, I can see them taking out Dez. Or taking out the running game. Not both. At some point I really expected a big play downfield from the WR2s (Williams or Butler, I don't care which). If the offense is predicated around taking what they give you, it seems like they must have been giving us an invitation to hit one of the other WRs at some point.

It looked like Dak did a pretty good job finding the right reads, though. Other than that missed opportunity to Beasley/Dez late. These games really do come down to making the plays that are there to be made more often than not. These guys who are supposed to be supporting a rookie backup QB just have to make their plays.

 

[CouchCoach]

It kind of is an excuse though, isn't it? With the money and resources we've poured into our interior OL and RB positions, we need to win those matchups in games like this one more often than we did.

I have no doubt Zeke is going to be a really good player for us, really quickly, but I was completely disappointed with our running game Sunday. Including play calling where I wanted to see us attacking the perimeter to tire out those DLs and put some pressure on a bad LB corps. That, and the poor interior run defense were my biggest disappointments with the loss.

My problem with our offense was the lack of preparation for the known. Was Linehan surprised that they stacked the line? Every coach in the league knew how they would defend us as well as every analyst. This is 101 Defense against a rookie QB with a run game. They should have had more plays to the outside to stretch them out and once again, it looked like they don't have a clue how to get the ball in the playmakers' hands, Dez and Zeke.

 

[Zman5]

It kind of is an excuse though, isn't it? With the money and resources we've poured into our interior OL and RB positions, we need to win those matchups in games like this one more often than we did.

I have no doubt Zeke is going to be a really good player for us, really quickly, but I was completely disappointed with our running game Sunday. Including play calling where I wanted to see us attacking the perimeter to tire out those DLs and put some pressure on a bad LB corps. That, and the poor interior run defense were my biggest disappointments with the loss.

I know you are a JG's "execution" matters most guy but the other guys get paid too. Gints spent as much if not more on their defense as our OL/RB. When the talent is equally matched, you need to scheme better to make it easier for your players to "execute" against equal talent.

 

[T-RO]

It kind of is an excuse though, isn't it? With the money and resources we've poured into our interior OL and RB positions, we need to win those matchups in games like this one more often than we did.

I have no doubt Zeke is going to be a really good player for us, really quickly, but I was completely disappointed with our running game Sunday. Including play calling where I wanted to see us attacking the perimeter to tire out those DLs and put some pressure on a bad LB corps. That, and the poor interior run defense were my biggest disappointments with the loss.

What part of the post above don't you understand? 5 guys can't block 7. And guess what 5 all-pros can't block 7.

We have to threaten teams with vertical passing or we won't be able to consistently run the ball. It's that simple. Witten lacks speed, Cole lacks of up-the-field speed. Dez isn't fast. We have no vertical threats.

Maybe Dak can throw it deep. I think quite possibly he can.

The team is hamstrung by Jerry's lack of player acquisition.

Also a poster above talked about outside running...perhaps with Lucky. That's something that should also be explored.

 

[Nightman]

I know you are a JG's "execution" matters most guy but the other guys get paid too. Gints spent as much if not more on their defense as our OL/RB. When the talent is equally matched, you need to scheme better to make it easier for your players to "execute" against equal talent.

It was 7on6 or 6on5 all day......we needed to run more read options to even it out......make it 6on6 if EE becomes a blocker.......on the one read option Witten didn't even have to block Vernon he just went straight to the second level and Dak picked up good yardage

 

[LocimusPrime]

The best O line in the NFL - young, strong and w 3 pro bowlers + big money contracts shouldn't be dominated. What's the point of having the best and spending all those resources both draft and $, if you are gonna get beat every single time.

So i guess the Giants payoff in Vernon and Damon Harrison > then our payoff in Frederick, Tyron, and Martin.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

it's easy to defend the run when the play calling is so predictable.... you see 2 TEs in tight, you'll get a run up the middle.

 

[cowboys2233]

I have no doubt Zeke is going to be a really good player for us, really quickly, but I was completely disappointed with our running game Sunday. Including play calling where I wanted to see us attacking the perimeter to tire out those DLs and put some pressure on a bad LB corps. That, and the poor interior run defense were my biggest disappointments with the loss.

I'm not especially worried about one of your two disappointments, I think the running game will get revved up in short order. The other one of your disappointments absolutely terrifies me -- if we don't get that interior run defense shored up, we can have a healthy Romo, a dazzling Zeke, and a pass-catching Dez and it still might not matter.

 

[cowboys2233]

it's easy to defend the run when the play calling is so predictable.... you see 2 TEs in tight, you'll get a run up the middle.

So the play calling that netted the "average" Demarco Murray over 1,800 yards in 2014 is to blame?