Forbes Poll: Romo the 7th most hated player in the NFL.

[KJJ]

of course in your world the game of football is the QB all the other people are just innocent by standers.

In your world the QB must not be that important because you're not even giving Roger Staubach much credit for getting the Cowboys over the hump in the 70's. In todays game QB's have more on their plates than ever before and if your QB doesn't perform at a high level you're not going anywhere. Josh Freeman and Nick Foles showed last week what happens when you're QB isn't functioning at a high level.

 

[Doomsday101]

QB's will always get too much credit when the team does well, and too much of the blame when the team does poorly. That's why they get paid the big bucks!

That is true even HC around the league will say QB get way to much credit for win and way too much blame for loses and yes that comes with the pay they get but reality is it does not change the simple fact they get too much credit and too much blame. I loved haing Roger and Troy but I never once said it was their SB it was theirs and their teams SB. So many guys deserved the accolades of the SB championships and without them we would not have won it. Take away Drew Pearson or Randy White and Harvey Martin, Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters or Bob Lilly, Lee Roy Jordan, Chuck Howley or Irvin, Emmitt, Novacheck, Haley, James Washington, Ken Norton and a host of others and we don't win it all. Championships are just not 1 guy

 

[Doomsday101]

In your world the QB must not be that important because you're not even giving Roger Staubach much credit for getting the Cowboys over the hump in the 70's. In todays game QB's have more on their plates than ever before and if your QB doesn't perform at a high level you're not going anywhere. Josh Freeman and Nick Foles showed last week what happens when you're QB isn't functioning at a high level.

I give Roger a lot of credit and Roger would tell you without those other guys around him we don't win. Roger threw the hailmary but Pearson was the man who came back made the catch and got into the endzone. Those Doomsday defense did not just sit there and do nothing they went out and played great ball hell Randy and Harvey Martin won the MVP after killing Denver. I credit a lot of people because they deserve that credit and to claim 1 is reasonable only demeans what so many others did to make it happen

As for todays game yes teams pass more than in the 70's but that does not change the fact that without a Victor Cruz who could take a 5 yard catch make 2 players miss and take it to the house then Giants do not beat the Jets to make it to the playoffs. QB is important but without others standing up and playing to a higher level that QB is not going to win. As good as Rodgers is GB is not winning unless their defense can start producing

 

[mahoneybill]

Sheeple driven by what the media tells them. Not just re: Romo but Cutler, Teo, Bush, etc.

Agree. Football or politics..... same result

 

[mahoneybill]

That is true even HC around the league will say QB get way to much credit for win and way too much blame for loses and yes that comes with the pay they get but reality is it does not change the simple fact they get too much credit and too much blame. I loved haing Roger and Troy but I never once said it was their SB it was theirs and their teams SB. So many guys deserved the accolades of the SB championships and without them we would not have won it. Take away Drew Pearson or Randy White and Harvey Martin, Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters or Bob Lilly, Lee Roy Jordan, Chuck Howley or Irvin, Emmitt, Novacheck, Haley, James Washington, Ken Norton and a host of others and we don't win it all. Championships are just not 1 guy

Great summary. Nice to see someone else who realizes its all about the team , and their dedication/desire. Throw in the O lines also, as they dictate how successful the rest of the offense will be with their blocking.

 

[KJJ]

I give Roger a lot of credit and Roger would tell you without those other guys around him we don't win. Roger threw the hailmary but Pearson was the man who came back made the catch and got into the endzone. Those Doomsday defense did not just sit there and do nothing they went out and played great ball hell Randy and Harvey Martin won the MVP after killing Denver. I credit a lot of people because they deserve that credit and to claim 1 is reasonable only demeans what so many others did to make it happen

The point is the Cowboys came close but never won a championship until Staubach took over as the QB. He won 2 championships with 2 completely different Cowboy teams. Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Dorsett, Randy White, Harvey Martin, Ed Too Tall Jones and many others weren't around when Staubach won his first SB in 71. He won that SB with an aging Cowboys team. The prime years of many of those players were in the mid to late 1960's. The Cowboys kept coming up short before Staubach arrived and began coming up short again after he retired until Aikman arrived.

Danny White was left with the same team that Staubach won a championship with only 2 years earlier. Pearson, Hill, Dorsett, Randy White and several other key players were all in their 20's. White suffered from some of the same big game issues Romo suffers from. He could only get the Cowboys so far before he would falter. White was handed an excellent team which is why the Cowboys made it to 3 straight NFC title games in 80, 81 and 82.

 

[Doomsday101]

Great summary. Nice to see someone else who realizes its all about the team , and their dedication/desire. Throw in the O lines also, as they dictate how successful the rest of the offense will be with their blocking.

I agree. I'm not going to hand it to one when so many play critical roles through out the season and into post season. Troy and Roger were not the only people who elevated their games so many others did as well. When Dallas needed to beat the Giants I watched as Emmitt handled the ball 11 our of 12 times on that last drive with a shoulder injury he deserves the credit.

 

[Doomsday101]

The point is the Cowboys came close but never won a championship until Staubach took over as the QB. He won 2 championships with 2 completely different Cowboy teams. Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Dorsett, Randy White, Harvey Martin, Ed Too Tall Jones and many others weren't around when Staubach won his first SB in 71. He won that SB with an aging Cowboys team. The prime years of many of those players were in the mid to late 1960's. The Cowboys kept coming up short before Staubach arrived and began coming up short again after he retired until Aikman arrived.

Danny White was left with the same team that Staubach won a championship with only 2 years earlier. Pearson, Hill, Dorsett, Randy White and several other key players were all in their 20's. White suffered from some of the same big game issues Romo suffers from. He could only get the Cowboys so far before he would falter. White was handed an excellent team which is why the Cowboys made it to 3 straight NFC title games in 80, 81 and 82.

Bob Lilly was around ask Bob Griese. Calvin Hill was around Lee Roy Jordan, D.D. Lewis was there Chuck Howley was around Lance Alworth, Bob Hayes, Duane Thomas and a host of other top talented players who all would show up in the big games. Roger no doubt was a big part but he came into a situation with a vet team who was good enough to get to the championship games and yes Roger helped get them over the top but it was not Roger alone it was a lot of people.

 

[mahoneybill]

I agree. I'm not going to hand it to one when so many play critical roles through out the season and into post season. Troy and Roger were not the only people who elevated their games so many others did as well. When Dallas needed to beat the Giants I watched as Emmitt handled the ball 11 our of 12 times on that last drive with a shoulder injury he deserves the credit.

Good reference . Even with our then SB winning team it took a real " warrior" to get us in position for the Eddie Murray game winner

 

[CaptainMorgan]

[quote="KJJ, post: 5250269, member: 24fielddon't remember anyone hating Roger Staubach he was one of the most popular players in history.[/quote]

I remember Aikman being booed off the field In favor of Randall Cunningham of all people at the end of his career.

And those were cowboys fans...sad

 

[KJJ]

Bob Lilly was around ask Bob Griese. Calvin Hill was around Lee Roy Jordan, D.D. Lewis was there Chuck Howley was around Lance Alworth, Bob Hayes, Duane Thomas and a host of other top talented players who all would show up in the big games. Roger no doubt was a big part but he came into a situation with a vet team who was good enough to get to the championship games and yes Roger helped get them over the top but it was not Roger alone it was a lot of people.

Lilly was 3 years away from retirement and Alworth was 2 years away from hanging it up. Hayes was done after the 71 season he only caught 44 passes for just under 700 yards his next 4 seasons in Dallas. Chuck Howley retired 2 years after SB VI. Mike Ditka who caught a TD pass in that SB played only one more season. Like I said that was an aging team with a lot of players who were well past their prime. Staubach entered a situation in 71 with a team that thought they were cursed.

The team was good enough to get to a lot of big games including a SB but couldn't close the deal. Once a team starts losing big games year after year it becomes a very difficult hurdle to get over just ask the 70's Vikings and the early 90's Buffalo Bills. Roger Staubach was the key to the success of the 70's Cowboys. The team believed in him and opponents feared him. He was the greatest player in Cowboys history and the reason they became America's Team.

 

[KJJ]

As for todays game yes teams pass more than in the 70's but that does not change the fact that without a Victor Cruz who could take a 5 yard catch make 2 players miss and take it to the house then Giants do not beat the Jets to make it to the playoffs. QB is important but without others standing up and playing to a higher level that QB is not going to win. As good as Rodgers is GB is not winning unless their defense can start producing

If Eli doesn't avoid what appeared to be a certain sack and gather himself to find Tyree in the 07 SB or hit Manningham 4 years later with a perfect throw the Giants never win either of those SB's. As for the Packers they wouldn't win without Rodgers no QB in the league has done more with less. It's a QB driven league today and if your QB doesn't play great in the playoffs and avoid turnovers you're not going to win a championship.

 

[KJJ]

I give Roger a lot of credit and Roger would tell you without those other guys around him we don't win. Roger threw the hailmary but Pearson was the man who came back made the catch and got into the endzone. Those Doomsday defense did not just sit there and do nothing they went out and played great ball hell Randy and Harvey Martin won the MVP after killing Denver. I credit a lot of people because they deserve that credit and to claim 1 is reasonable only demeans what so many others did to make it happen

Just prior to the Hail Mary on a 4th and 16 Staubach hit Pearson with a perfect throw on the sidelines. It was a great throw and catch. It all starts with the QB making the throw giving their receiver a chance. Those Doomsday defenses were helped by a great offense led by a great QB who was clutch. In 1979 the Cowboys were behind by 17 points to a very good Washington team. Staubach brought the Cowboys back and had them leading 21-17 only to watch the defense give up the lead again.

The Cowboys were down by 13 with only a few minutes left and Staubach pulled the game out in the final seconds. His defense let him down in games but he fought back that's how he got the nickname Captain Comeback. It wasn't like he was carried to wins by his defense he was left with plenty of games on his shoulders but the moments were never too big for him.

 

[KJJ]

[quote="KJJ, post: 5250269, member: 24fielddon't remember anyone hating Roger Staubach he was one of the most popular players in history.

I remember Aikman being booed off the field In favor of Randall Cunningham of all people at the end of his career.

And those were cowboys fans...sad

The fans became spoiled from the 3 championships in the early to mid 90's and their frustration began to show as the team declined. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league for a lot of fan bases. Fans are fickle we see it on this board after every game. One minute it's a Romo lovefest after a great performance and the next week after a poor performance it seems like half the board is ready to move on from him.

 

[Red Dragon]

Putting all the blame or praise on one player is like saying, "If the engines don't work on an airplane, the airplane won't fly." Sure, and if the stabilizer or elevators or wings or fuselage or fuel tubes don't work, the plane won't fly either.