Former Cowboy says everything at OTAs has been centered around Ezekiel Elliott

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That would be a waste of his talent. 18-19 touches a game? They didnt draft him 4 overall to be a RBC type of player.

If he doesnt avg atleast 20 carries a game what was the point?


During the "Let's resign DeMarco" era on this board there were many posts that gave historical fact on what happens to running backs that get big work-loads... And 360 carries, as you're suggesting, for a rookie is a big workload.

Simply isn't going to happen.

In addition, it's not like Elliott is backed up by a couple "no talent" guys.

Finally if Elliott had 1,200 rushing yards, 400 passing receiving yards and a dozen touchdowns– I think most would be thrilled with that sort of return on the #4 pick.
 

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First 12 games of the season Murray averaged 4.97 ypc, last 4 games he averaged 3.98 ypc - and that included a monster game 13 vs Chicago. And coincidentally, his total touches after 12 games was exactly 300. Murray was good for about 340 touches before he really started to look slower.

I sincerely hope that we don't run Zeke into the ground the way we did Murray. I'm sure the coaches noticed Murray's drop off at the end of 2014 as well, and with reliable guys behind him I can't imagine they're going to be getting Zeke 25+ touches per game. Everyone needs to remember that a big part of the reason Murray got so many carries is because Randle was behind him and couldn't be counted on to pick up the blitz or follow instructions. With DMC behind him on the depth chart Zeke won't have that problem.

For every Emmitt and Eric Dickerson, who could handle 375 touches and come back exactly the same, there are dozens of guys who fell off sharply after being overworked. Emmitt was a freak of nature, and in his first five seasons even Emmitt averaged right around 25 touches per game. That's an inhuman workload, but the biggest reason Emmitt owns the all time rushing record is that he could maintain that outlandish workload year in and year out. The odds that Zeke can do the same are almost nil. So why run the kid into the ground trying to find out?

In addition Smith, Dickerson, Sanders and all the other RB's were not working under the new concussion protocol rules. If a back gets up wobbly now the chances are he's going to miss some time.
 

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McFadden is the day one starter but Zeke will end up the starter before mid-season.

Not a chance this happens. Zeke is the day one starter, he will secure the job by preseason. The team can talk all they want about competition but it would be seen as an epic failure from the outside looking in if Zeke isn't starting by at least game 2. I only say game 2 just in case the team doesn't want to overwhelm him but he will likely be out there for the first snap versus the Giants. McFadden is a quality player but if the team truly trusted him to be the starter, they would have not invested so heavily in the position.
 

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Not a chance this happens. Zeke is the day one starter, he will secure the job by preseason. The team can talk all they want about competition but it would be seen as an epic failure from the outside looking in if Zeke isn't starting by at least game 2. I only say game 2 just in case the team doesn't want to overwhelm him but he will likely be out there for the first snap versus the Giants. McFadden is a quality player but if the team truly trusted him to be the starter, they would have not invested so heavily in the position.
They're just doing their due diligence through the media. Everyone has to earn their spot, blah blah.
 

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Don't like hearing that about camp

Consider the source. Nate said that he went to OTA's and just followed Zeke around because he loves the kid, so yes, if I'm just watching one player then why wouldn't it seem like everything is revoling around him.

He also says in the article that it's been a while since we saw a skill player in camp and thought, 'Wow, there could be something special about this guy.'

I guess we've forgotten all about Dez Bryant.
 

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At 16 carries a week, avg 4ypc, that's roughly 1000yds.

Yep, and I think he averages closer to 5 a carry. Add in 400 receiving yards based on 40 catches and that's a decent workload for any back– but probably not one that's going to wear him out needlessly.
 

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I hate that phrase so much, lol. But you're right.

I reserve the right to change my mind, though. I think there's a chance that we really go back to 2014 and he gets 20-25 carries.

Could they do that? Revisit 2014? You bet.

But I hope they don't.

Murray was spent the last quarter of the season and I firmly believe much of his problem last season was due to the ungodly workload of 2014.

All one has to do is look at history and backs that get that kind of workload– their careers peter-out after.
 

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Consider the source. Nate said that he went to OTA's and just followed Zeke around because he loves the kid, so yes, if I'm just watching one player then why wouldn't it seem like everything is revoling around him.

He also says in the article that it's been a while since we saw a skill player in camp and thought, 'Wow, there could be something special about this guy.'

I guess we've forgotten all about Dez Bryant.

Well Dez was technically a while ago. 6 years ago qualifies as awhile.

Time flies.
 

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Could they do that? Revisit 2014? You bet.

But I hope they don't.

Murray was spent the last quarter of the season and I firmly believe much of his problem last season was due to the ungodly workload of 2014.

All one has to do is look at history and backs that get that kind of workload– their careers peter-out after.

He was spent to an extent. We were passing a lot more down the stretch as well if I remember correctly because teams were so focused on the run. Murray looked good in the playoffs at least.

I think we can get a few years of solid 300+ carry production out of Zeke if we choose to do so. If you go that route, be prepared to let him walk in 5-6 years. The team could go that route, Jerry/Stephen said immediately after they drafted Zeke that they hate giving running backs second contracts, saying that drafting Zeke so high was a reason to get around that. It's not that the team doesn't value the position, they just believe a running back only has 5-6 good years in the league. Some can argue, you might as well maximize that production now if that is how you truly feel.
 

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And I'm not even sure how much we'll see of him pre-season. The Cowboys don't like to play their starters much anyway.
 

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During the "Let's resign DeMarco" era on this board there were many posts that gave historical fact on what happens to running backs that get big work-loads... And 360 carries, as you're suggesting, for a rookie is a big workload.

Simply isn't going to happen.

In addition, it's not like Elliott is backed up by a couple "no talent" guys.

Finally if Elliott had 1,200 rushing yards, 400 passing receiving yards and a dozen touchdowns– I think most would be thrilled with that sort of return on the #4 pick.

Touchdowns is going to be the biggest factor for me. He doesnt have to touch the ball 25 times a game but we need to get playmaker scoring out of him with that investment.
 

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Touchdowns is going to be the biggest factor for me. He doesnt have to touch the ball 25 times a game but we need to get playmaker scoring out of him with that investment.

Agreed. I think TD's are more important than the number of touches per game.
 

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It is about winning games, not what you spent on a player.
It is about having a fresh elliot for the playoff games.
In 2014 when they got in the playoffs, murray was wore down, and had a broken hand.

They went overboard with Murray for sure. But only playing Zeke for half the game is silly.
 
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