Four days in to TC - DCF's Trade Proposal!

[Yeagermeister]

Samuel will cost too much plus we have to pay Newman soon.

 

[dargonking999]

So you wanna trade a startin CB, and a 1st round LB, and a draft pick for one player?

your serious?

dead serious?

With the uncertinty of ellis, and Spencer, and the fact that Samuel has had ONE good season,

you want to trade away our starting CB, and a 1st round LB AND a draft pick

to get a player who wants Nate Clements money. KNOWING that next year most likely were going to have to sign Newman to even more than Clements.

Stick to the Radio show man, cause that right there

makes zero sense.

OH and let's not forget, that we play this team in the regular season. And possible chance of playing them for the SB.

 

[sago1]

Frankly this trade doesn't make any sense. Why in the world would the Pats want Henry given how he's played this year? On the other hand, this is typical of his play at TC so hopefully he should be ready to go in preseason games. And giving up on our first rounder after just one year is just plain hysterical. Last season in Parcells scheme, he was coming on near the end of the season. Now he's playing in a new scheme and might just be the kind of player who needs to get really familiar with a scheme before he can execute. In fact I saw a posting in last 2 days or so that Phillips/Stewart believe Carpenter can be a Vrable (?sp) like he is in the Pats system.

And why in the world throw away a 6th or 7th rounder next year. One of last year's 7th rounder (McQuistan) is now the primary backup to Adams & probably Colombo this season. 6th rounder (Stanley) is leading condidate to backup Ferguson this season. And our 2007 two 7th CBs (Brown moved to FS & Ball at CB) seem to be coming on. I guess we should also ignore 6th rounders Folk & Deon Anderson who both look they can contribute this season. Maybe years ago when we drafted lousy, we would throw those picks away but in last few years we are getting some good players i.e. Ratliff from class of 05 is another example.

 

[dalboy]

Anthony Henry, Bobby Carpenter and some draft pick to the Pats for Asante Samuel.

Henry fits there defense now, not ours anymore. Carpenter just does not seem to be blossoming here in Dallas and the Pats need a young versatile LB. They will ask for more, give them a 6th or 7th rounder.

Samuel. Him and Newman would make this defense special, very special.

Bring the love, bring the hate. Let's talk.

carpenter had a great end of the year and he will be starting by the end of the year.

 

[dcfanatic]

So you wanna trade a startin CB, and a 1st round LB, and a draft pick for one player? OH and let's not forget, that we play this team in the regular season. And possible chance of playing them for the SB.

So we aren't getting a young, better, more suited CB to play man to man coverage in the new D which squashes you starting CB argument.

So we didn't just draft another LB in the first round because we had so much confidence in the ability of last seasons #1 draft pick which was a LB.

So your telling me most 6th and 7th rounders are worth anything.

And you telling me that if Samuel again has 10 INT that he isn't worth the money.

So we play them this season? And...we play against NFL teams. Why should we care if we play them this season.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry if my title is misleading. Maybe the mods can change it so that the readers know it's just me throwing something out there.

how about something more realistic - like trading greg 'whinerboy' ellis.

carpenter had very little time playing last year and when he did, he did pretty darn good from what i recall. i didn't like taking carpenter but since he's here let's see what he can do before we just shrug him off.

 

[dcfanatic]

Frankly this trade doesn't make any sense. Why in the world would the Pats want Henry given how he's played this year? On the other hand, this is typical of his play at TC so hopefully he should be ready to go in preseason games. And giving up on our first rounder after just one year is just plain hysterical. Last season in Parcells scheme, he was coming on near the end of the season. Now he's playing in a new scheme and might just be the kind of player who needs to get really familiar with a scheme before he can execute. In fact I saw a posting in last 2 days or so that Phillips/Stewart believe Carpenter can be a Vrable (?sp) like he is in the Pats system.

And why in the world throw away a 6th or 7th rounder next year. One of last year's 7th rounder (McQuistan) is now the primary backup to Adams & probably Colombo this season. 6th rounder (Stanley) is leading condidate to backup Ferguson this season. And our 2007 two 7th CBs (Brown moved to FS & Ball at CB) seem to be coming on. I guess we should also ignore 6th rounders Folk & Deon Anderson who both look they can contribute this season. Maybe years ago when we drafted lousy, we would throw those picks away but in last few years we are getting some good players i.e. Ratliff from class of 05 is another example.

I think Carp can be a good LB - in another system. He is not a pass rushing LB IMO.

If this team is still taking on 6th and 7th rounders in the the next few years then how good could the last few years drafts really have been? What are we adding 15 players a year here? We have two #1's, we ain't gonna miss a 6th rounder in 2008, trust me.

 

[dargonking999]

So we aren't getting a young, better, more suited CB to play man to man coverage in the new D which squashes you starting CB argument.

So we didn't just draft another LB in the first round because we had so much confidence in the ability of last seasons #1 draft pick which was a LB.

So your telling me most 6th and 7th rounders are worth anything.

And you telling me that if Samuel again has 10 INT that he isn't worth the money.

So we play them this season? And...we play against NFL teams. Why should we care if we play them this season.

No we're not. There is no surity that he will fit in our scheme. There is no surity that he is better. Thats your opinion.

We drafted another OLB, because when you play the 3-4 you need lots of LB's. You don't need two, you need 4,5,6 LB's. outside of Ware who do you have? A injured Ellis? a Rookie? At least carpenter has played a season

No i'm telling you, that it makes no sense to throw away those picks plus two players FOR ONE SINGLE PLAYER!!!!!!

Yes i am telling you that. WhY? because we have 82 millin tied up in the secondary now, we're going to have to pay newman, we're going to have to pay Romo, and we're going to have to pay either JJ, or Mcfadden. Why add to the body count, when you already have someone here who can do the job

You're right we do. But you're sending two players who know our scheme and our players to a team that is already on or even above our level. Did you forget the Saints that quickly?

 

[blindzebra]

So we aren't getting a young, better, more suited CB to play man to man coverage in the new D which squashes you starting CB argument.

So we didn't just draft another LB in the first round because we had so much confidence in the ability of last seasons #1 draft pick which was a LB.

So your telling me most 6th and 7th rounders are worth anything.

And you telling me that if Samuel again has 10 INT that he isn't worth the money.

So we play them this season? And...we play against NFL teams. Why should we care if we play them this season.

1. With Ellis doubtful you just made it absolutely necessary for us to start a rookie DE making the switch to LB...strike one.

2. We now have a rookie UFA backing up James, making it likely James sees more time on the field...strike two.

3. We now have a rookie UFA backing up the rookie starting at OLB...strike three.

And if that wasn't bad enough we now have Samuels for one year, because by league rules we can't sign him to anything but a one year deal.

So we have Newman and Samuels both looking for big money deals next offseason, plus we have Romo to sign too.

Frankly I don't see ANY upside to making this trade.

 

[burmafrd]

Russell is wanting a $60 million dollar contract and $26 million in guaranteed money. THAT is the first pick this year. Maybe we do not have to go that high for mcfadden next year- but it still is going to be more money then ANYONE on the team now. THAT has got to be figured into everything. So we are going to need to be carefull elsewhere. NOT to mention that Newman will have to be extended next year, and we have to do something about Romo THIS year. And Ware in 2 years. AND we might have to spend a high pick for a WR as well.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Personally, I believe the Pats would laugh.......who is going to call this into their team?

 

[theogt]

I think Carp can be a good LB - in another system. He is not a pass rushing LB IMO.

I agree. And Wade Phillips agrees. Which is why he's playing ILB rather than OLB.

If this team is still taking on 6th and 7th rounders in the the next few years then how good could the last few years drafts really have been? What are we adding 15 players a year here? We have two #1's, we ain't gonna miss a 6th rounder in 2008, trust me.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Adding 15 players a year? What on earth are you talking about?

 

[burmafrd]

With as good a roster as we are getting, we probably will turn over no more then 10 players AT WORST per year.

 

[AsthmaField]

Geez... now I remember why I never mention any trade scenarios on CowboysZone. DCF really got belted pretty good on this one.

I can see why he mentioned the trade... IOW, I understand the angle he's taking with this. Samuels, if he's as good as a lot of people think, would help our man-to-man coverage and help Phillips play the defense he likes to play.

However, we don't know exactly how much better than Henry he really is, we don't know how much Phillips likes Carpenter or what he can do in Wade's scheme... and a lot of other problems that posters brought up. Because of all those reasons, I wouldn't want to do that deal either... particularly with Romo, Samuels and Newman needing contracts next year (plus two No. 1 picks).

Personally, I think Phillips will find some real good ways to use Carpenter in his defense and I really want to see Bobby play this year for Phillips.

 

[dbair1967]

Where did this come from?

probably the same place alot of other stupid posts in this forum come from

David

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Geez... now I remember why I never mention any trade scenarios on CowboysZone. DCF really got belted pretty good on this one.

It's the lingering aftermath of Nors, imo. Especially if the conjecture involves a Pats cb.

Even reasonable speculation or projection raises the spectre of the entire team in a trade for Ty Law. Even admittedly hypothetical situating leads to the fear of 1000 threads on the 'imminent' nature of it all. LOL


Give it a few more years, DCF, and we may be ready.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's the lingering aftermath of Nors, imo. Especially if the conjecture involves a Pats cb.

Even reasonable speculation or projection raises the spectre of the entire team in a trade for Ty Law. Even admittedly hypothetical situating leads to the fear of 1000 threads on the 'imminent' nature of it all. LOL


Give it a few more years, DCF, and we may be ready.

:laugh2:

Ahhh... Good Ol' Nors. Anytime he logged on it was like poking a stick into a hornet's nest. Especially when he brought up Ty Law.

I had almost forgotten about him (Nors). I should've known that the residual effects of his random 'speculating' would still negatively impact posters here.

We will triumph in the end though.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Sorry if my title is misleading. Maybe the mods can change it so that the readers know it's just me throwing something out there.

Suggested title: Just musing.


Carp has not had a chance. Parcells was not using him, then he was misused and came on late last year as a high energy mammoth.
He'll be among the bedrock of this promising defense when all is said and done.
He ain't going nowhere, no time, at all.
If you gonna trade someone, trade Crayton and make room for some young receivers: Austin, Hurd and that QB from the northwest who is a converted receiver.
Rebuild!

 

[pgreptom]

Two things strike out at me:

Newman's upcoming contract
Samuel's upcoming contract.

Okay. No.

 

[DWhite Fan]

I wouldn't miss Carpenter, especially with Bradie James playing much better. The one problem I see is that Samuels can't be signed long term, I think he has to receive the one year franchise salary. Thats way to much to just rent the guy for one year. If he agreed to a contract for next season then maybe but then you have to pay him a huge salary and Newman in the next year or two.

You can't be serious.