Four round Mock

[supercowboy8]

And like RS said, we cant just assume anymore the Romo will hold up for years

And you can't assume that some late 1st round rookie qb is going to be better then weeden. I haven't said not draft a qb in the 2nd or 3rd. I just think iit's silly to draft a guy 1st round to ride the bench

 

[supercowboy8]

Yap this last injury should have put the FO on alert. Romo is at greater risk.
Do what GB did it paid dividends for them.

What did GB do. They are 1 team out of many that hit on a QB late in the 1st.
Why do people assume drafting a qb on the 1st is a solid pick. I can name several 1st round qbs that failed. How do you know that pick is another rodgers.

Look at the history. Last 10 years. Show me 5 QBs drafted mid to late 1st that have been successful. Where does it say we are going to hit on one

 

[darthseinfeld]

And you can't assume that some late 1st round rookie qb is going to be better then weeden. I haven't said not draft a qb in the 2nd or 3rd. I just think iit's silly to draft a guy 1st round to ride the bench

If Im not gonna assume a prospect is better then Weeden Im not even making a call to his agent to sign him after he goes undrafted. So ya, anyone I draft in the first im assuming is better then Weeden

 

[supercowboy8]

I dont care about day 1 starters in the first round. I dont care about day 1 starters in the draft period. Its nice to get but if you go into the draft needing to get a plug and play starter your personel department is worthless. The draft is about building a team for the long run.

Late first and early second are all tier two guys. Not much of a difference other then a number. We obviously differ on drafting. I would much rather draft and develop an Aaron Rodgers then draft a Marcus Spears

And I would much rather draft a Martin than a weeden. Why do you think a Rodgers is going to be there when we pick. I don't understand why you pick 1 qb out of the last 10 years. I can show many more drafted round 1 that didn't make it.

I never said go after 1 position. I say dra ft t BPA that can start day one. I'm not for drafting on need.

I would much rather draft a Kaep, Dalton, Wilson, Foles, Brees in the 2nd or 3rd and develop than skip day one starter to draft a qb in the 1st. Just hoping you hit a rodgers when you most likely got a Weeden or JP Loserman

 

[waving monkey]

What did GB do. They are 1 team out of many that hit on a QB late in the 1st.
Why do people assume drafting a qb on the 1st is a solid pick. I can name several 1st round qbs that failed. How do you know that pick is another rodgers.

Look at the history. Last 10 years. Show me 5 QBs drafted mid to late 1st that have been successful. Where does it say we are going to hit on one

I wasn't so much speaking to the first round but to drafting a guy that you identify and take him
I didn't make that clear but if that guy is in the first round go get him.
I am a little paranoid all of a sudden about Romo's back and can feel a need soon

 

[supercowboy8]

If Im not gonna assume a prospect is better then Weeden Im not even making a call to his agent to sign him after he goes undrafted. So ya, anyone I draft in the first im assuming is better then Weeden

Well weeden was drafted late 1st, I'm just going off the history of late 1st round QBs. Large majority of them bust.

 

[supercowboy8]

I wasn't so much speaking to the first round but to drafting a guy that you identify and take him
I didn't make that clear but if that guy is in the first round go get him.
I am a little paranoid all of a sudden about Romo's back and can feel a need soon

I agree and I have said that if Garrett and company have a QB in the 2nd-4th range then by all means. But I'm against drafting a guy in the 1st. A rookie isn't going to be able to come in and replace Romo if injuried his rookie year anyways.
Look at the rookies this year. Carr and Bridgewater haven't been great by any means.

 

[darthseinfeld]

And I would much rather draft a Martin than a weeden. Why do you think a Rodgers is going to be there when we pick. I don't understand why you pick 1 qb out of the last 10 years. I can show many more drafted round 1 that didn't make it.

I never said go after 1 position. I say dra ft t BPA that can start day one. I'm not for drafting on need.

I would much rather draft a Kaep, Dalton, Wilson, Foles, Brees in the 2nd or 3rd and develop than skip day one starter to draft a qb in the 1st. Just hoping you hit a rodgers when you most likely got a Weeden or JP Loserman

I picked several QBs picked in the 20 to 40 range, or tier 2 QBs. You just rejected it because they didnt have a first round tag. They are the same level prospects and that's what you can hope to get drafting in that range. Its hasnt been often QBs go in the late first, but expect that to change with the rookie scale. Thats one of the reasons it was smart for Minnesota to trade back into the first for Bridgewater. They now control 5 years of his contract as opposed to 4

 

[supercowboy8]

I picked several QBs picked in the 20 to 40 range, or tier 2 QBs. You just rejected it because they didnt have a first round tag. They are the same level prospects and that's what you can hope to get drafting in that range. Its hasnt been often QBs go in the late first, but expect that to change with the rookie scale. Thats one of the reasons it was smart for Minnesota to trade back into the first for Bridgewater. They now control 5 years of his contract as opposed to 4

Well we just have to disagree. I think if you have a player ranked 4th then you pick him closer to 40th not 20th.

Also I'm fine with trading ouour 2nd to get the 32nd pick and getting a qb. 32 and 2nd round are pretty much the same. But I'm talking mid 1st. 15-25 I'm taking the better player thay can help us now.

If we pick a player in the 1st then trade our 2nd up to get a QB in the last 1st early 2nd like we did with Lawrence. I'm fine with that.

Minny also got Barr. If we can get a day one starter player I the 1st and then I'm fine with trading up for a qb as our 2nd pick 30th-36th

 

[darthseinfeld]

Well weeden was drafted late 1st, I'm just going off the history of late 1st round QBs. Large majority of them bust.

Weeden was a horrible reach by a notoriously horrible organization with a notoriously horrible scouting department and a notoriously horrible staff.

Weeden was a 3rd round prospect at best and everyone but the Browns new it

 

[supercowboy8]

Weeden was a horrible reach by a notoriously horrible organization with a notoriously horrible scouting department and a notoriously horrible staff.

Weeden was a 3rd round prospect at best and everyone but the Browns new it

What about locker, Ponder, gabbert. There have been tons of mid to late 1st round qbs that have bust

Do you really think a top 5 qb will be there when we pick. If you want to draft a qb then you may have to reach

 

[darthseinfeld]

What about locker, Ponder, gabbert. There have been tons of mid to late 1st round qbs that have bust

Do you really think a top 5 qb will be there when we pick. If you want to draft a qb then you may have to reach

Those were all in the top half of the first round.

 

[supercowboy8]

Those were all in the top half of the first round.

I know and they even busted. Why you think late 1st is going to be great. Show me 1 late round QB since Flacco

 

[Oh_Canada]

I like Garrett Grayson in rd 3, not sold on Hundley just wonder about the passion with the kid. Ok with the rest of it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I know and they even busted. Why you think late 1st is going to be great. Show me 1 late round QB since Flacco

So your expecting me to project a guaranteed hit? Go ask the scouts that clamored for Chance Warmack and Jon Cooper how thats working out.

 

[supercowboy8]

So your expecting me to project a guaranteed hit? Go ask the scouts that clamored for Chance Warmack and Jon Cooper how thats working out.

War mack is a day one starter and is still starting. Again I don't understand why you keep going to different positions. We're talking mid to late round QBs.

I'm just looking for a day one starter in the 1st round that can help this team win now.

 

[darthseinfeld]

War mack is a day one starter and is still starting. Again I don't understand why you keep going to different positions. We're talking mid to late round QBs.

I'm just looking for a day one starter in the 1st round that can help this team win now.

Im bringing up other positions because you keep saying we need a day 1 starter in the first round. There is no guarantee that your going to get an impact starter or even a starter in the first at any position. Warmack has been mediocre to bad and Cooper has played something like 5 snaps this year. Both "guarenteed impact starters"

Ill say again, if you go in the draft relying on getting a day 1 starter, your front office is failing miserably

 

[supercowboy8]

Im bringing up other positions because you keep saying we need a day 1 starter in the first round. There is no guarantee that your going to get an impact starter or even a starter in the first at any position. Warmack has been mediocre to bad and Cooper has played something like 5 snaps this year. Both "guarenteed impact starters"

Ill say again, if you go in the draft relying on getting a day 1 starter, your front office is failing miserably

Well Jerry has said for years the 1st rounders have to be day one starters. Stephen said it last draft.
I just think you draft bpa where the player can make a difference and start now. We took Martin over JFB for a reason.
You want to reach to feel the need of a back up QB whom may never develop into a starter. I want to get the best player that can help us win now.
So we just have to disagree I'm tired of this pointless debate.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Well Jerry has said for years the 1st rounders have to be day one starters. Stephen said it last draft.
I just think you draft bpa where the player can make a difference and start now. We took Martin over JFB for a reason.
You want to reach to feel the need of a back up QB whom may never develop into a starter. I want to get the best player that can help us win now.
So we just have to disagree I'm tired of this pointless debate.

Keep in mind where we have been drafting the last few years too. In the top half to the middle of the first its much easier to get an impact starter whereas in the later part of the first its going to be much harder to find a difference maker

 

[supercowboy8]

Keep in mind where we have been drafting the last few years too. In the top half to the middle of the first its much easier to get an impact starter whereas in the later part of the first its going to be much harder to find a difference maker

Fredrick was drafted 31st.