AMERICAS_FAN;5051922 said:
Hey jobberone, I'm not trying to get in the middle of your conversation with mschmidt64 - but you did open the floor to new topics, so here goes:
In your evaluations of Doug Free, are you seeing a trend that, when Free plays better, Witten seems to have better days as a receiver?
I ask because I think the QB-TE dynamic is the cornerstone of this offense; get that going and the whole offense opens up.
If solid RT contributes to that - because if the RT blocks better then the TE can be used more as a receiver than a blocker - then I think it speaks volumes to Dallas' real needs along the OL.
Up until now, all of the experts are saying that Dallas' real need is within the OL interior; however, if improving the RT position is what will free up the TE and domino-effect to opening up the rest of thr offense, then I think upgrading RT is the more pressing OL need.
Thoughts?
This is a great topic. You don't have to apologize about introducing a related topic. Thread drift is not a problem as long as its useful and somewhat related. And I hope I haven't made some feel like they have to walk on eggshells either.
I have noticed them going big on the strong side a fair amount this year. Particularly with the Wash game. It seems they go more this route rather than use two backs or a back and an H Back for protection. I have not looked at stats for this and wouldn't know where to begin finding that so it's an educated guess. They'll stick another fat body over there beside Free and put Witten or Phillips in line with them. Sometime Witten blocks and others he chips or just releases into pattern. They don't always put people out there to help Free though. Even the TB game he was mostly isolated. Even though Free looked poor at times blocking the DE it didn't disrupt the play often. When Tony is being pressured too much then Garrett seems to go quick patterns and max protection which shouldn't surprise. Sometimes that's two TEs and the other various combos vs the extra lineman. When Witten lines up beside Free alone he doesn't stay in a lot but I have no figures just a general impression (and the number of receptions by Witten). When Witten is matched up on a DE he has his share of problems. And often enough Free is looking in to help the OG which I understand but Witten doesn't appear to be that dependable blocking wise with many DEs.
The Wash game was different than the other games in general. They were doing a lot of stunting and most of the jailbreaks were up the middle. Wash was committed to making Tony throw quickly and getting pressure. They used Free to help inside a lot from those big strong formations and used another lineman who lined up outside Free to handle the outside pressure or redirect stunts inside. Witten at times stayed in and blocked as well.
Before I did this I was certain Dallas needed to address tackle. I had no confidence in Free at all and little for Parnell. I'm still concerned but not nearly as before. I think the experts have it right in that the interior must be addressed first. I'm not prepared to comment on who needs to be replaced as I just didn't concentrate on individual players in the interior. I have been watching that more the last couple of games I watched. If I was forced to make an off the cuff remark about the interior last year AC (after Costa) then I don't like any of them.
Now before anyone jumps on this as a measure of confidence in Free then hold off. I haven't finished watching all the games number one and I'm not going to endorse Free period. I'll just say thru the last game I watched the tackles are not as big a problem as the rest.
Here are Free's numbers. MichaelWinicki put some up and these may be basically the same but hopefully the format will help to reinforce his stats.
Regular Season Stats
Career Offensive Line Stats
Year Team G GS Pen Yds False Start Holding Sacks Allwd Yds
2007 Dal 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00
2009 Dal 16 7 4 30 2 2 1.00 5.00
2010 Dal 16 16 9 55 7 1 5.00 26.00
2011 Dal 16 16 10 75 5 5 9.50 78.50
2012 Dal 16 16 13 90 8 5 7.00 54.50
Totals 65 55 36 250 22 13 22.50 164.00
Here are Jason Peters considered a good tackle:
Regular Season Stats
Career Offensive Line Stats
Year Team G GS Pen Yds False Start Holding Sacks Allwd Yds
2004 Buf 5 1 2 15 0 1 0.00 0.00
2005 Buf 16 10 3 20 2 1 1.50 11.50
2006 Buf 16 16 6 31 5 0 2.00 16.00
2007 Buf 15 15 6 35 5 1 6.00 41.00
2008 Buf 13 13 8 55 4 2 11.50 106.50
2009 Phi 15 15 9 68 6 1 6.00 66.00
2010 Phi 13 13 7 50 3 3 2.00 14.50
2011 Phi 14 14 6 35 5 0 2.50 10.50
Totals 107 97 47 309 30 9 31.50 266.00
Here is Trent Williams:
Regular Season Stats
Career Offensive Line Stats
Year Team G GS Pen Yds False Start Holding Sacks Allwd Yds
2010 Was 14 13 6 45 3 3 11.50 100.50
2011 Was 10 10 7 65 2 4 3.00 33.50
2012 Was 16 16 6 40 4 2 5.50 43.00
Totals 40 39 19 150 9 9 20.00 177.00
I don't have the pressure stats and I'm a little cautious about where and who these come from. They aren't always easy to assign. Same thing for sacks although less so. You really have to see the entire play to get a feel for who mucked up what. And then you sometimes can't tell. I will say a general trend in the wrong direction is cause for concern and that's what you have with Free. And by eyeball he is not playing as well the last two years as he did in 2010. So there is some truth lying within the stats IMO.
Last year Dallas was 11th in the league in adjusted sack rate at 5.8% with 36 sacks given up. Interestingly runs off RT were almost a 1/2 yd less. I'm not certain what to make of those stats. My impression is the OL is worse than #11 and Tony makes them look better by escaping pressure so much. That's subjective but seems to be more the consensus than not.
Now to answer your main question. Sorry, I don't know. Nothing seems to stop Witten and I think Tony looks at him too often at times. OTOH, sometimes that's all that is there. I'll try to look at Witten and Free together and get back to you but it'll have to be from here forward for now.
Excellent question.