Free took a paycut.. Why not Miles?

[RoyTheHammer]

This entire thread..

 

[5Stars]

This entire thread..

I find threads like this funny because it's as if the money that gets paid to any player comes out of their bank account. :laugh2:

I would not care if they paid a gazillion dollars to Rowdy and each team member got paid $50.00 a game. I just want to see production, and Miles does produce when he is on the field...Doug Free, hopefully will this season.

 

[RastaRocket]

Did you see who Arizona had at quarterback? lol

Exactly, that comparison is just outrageous.

 

[dart]

Did you see who Arizona had at quarterback? lol

Ah Kurt Warner in 09 how many SB's has Warner been to ?

that year Fitz had 1100+ yards

Austin had 1300 + yards

how many for Romo ?

please go on


you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink it

 

[TheSport78]

Ah Kurt Warner in 09 how many SB's has Warner been to ?

that year Fitz had 1100+ yards

Austin had 1300 + yards

how many for Romo ?

please go on


you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink it

I don't understand?

 

[KJJ]

Ah Kurt Warner in 09 how many SB's has Warner been to ?

that year Fitz had 1100+ yards

Austin had 1300 + yards

how many for Romo ?

please go on


you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink it

You're not making any sense. It makes no difference how many SB's Warner had by the 09 season he was done after that season. He was getting killed in 09 missing parts of 6 games with injuries and suffered 11 fumbles. Matt Leinart who can't play took a number of snaps that season for AZ. Even with a declining beat up Kurt Warner and a dud like Leinart as his QB's Fitz still put up almost 1100 yards and 13 TD's. Both Warner and Leinart were done in AZ after that season.

In 05 Fitz put up 1400 + yards on a team that didn't have a 3000 yard passer. A good portion of those yards came with Josh McCown at QB. Austin has been blessed to have one of the most productive QB's in the league. Austin has been a one season wonder up to this point. Over 400 of 1300 + yards in 09 were in back to back games. Those were the 2 most productive games of his career. Teams started game planning him and learned to get him on the ground after a reception because a number of his receiving yards were coming after the catch. Austin has had hamstring issues that's affected his production and he's had a problem with drops.

He's a good receiver but mentioning him and Larry Fitzgerald in the same discussion is silly. He's not close to the receiver Fitz has been. Romo put up almost 5000 yards last season and Austin produced under 1000 yards. Give Fitz a 4900 yard passer and he'll be on the receiving end of at least 1600 of those yards.

 

[dart]

what ever KJJ

BUT IN FOUR YEARS

FITZ

09 - 1000 + yards
10 - 1100 + yards
11 - 1400+ yards
12 -900 yards

MILES

2009 - 1300 + yards
2010 - 1100 + yards
2011 - 500 + yards
2012 - 900+ yards


BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT

I over it

 

[KJJ]

what ever KJJ

BUT IN FOUR YEARS

FITZ

09 - 1000 + yards
10 - 1100 + yards
11 - 1400+ yards
12 -900 yards

MILES

2009 - 1300 + yards
2010 - 1100 + yards
2011 - 500 + yards
2012 - 900+ yards


BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT

I over it

Don't know what you're trying to say but from 09 to 2012 Fitz has produced 555 more receiving yards than Austin and he did it with a crappy QB situation. Put Austin in AZ from 09 to 2012 with the QB's Fitz has had to suffer with over the past 4 years and Austin might not have 3000 receiving yards during that period. Since 09 Fitz has had to deal with a declining and often injured Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart, Brian St Pierre, Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Max Hall, Richard Bartel, Ryan Lindley, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Kolb.

That's more QB's than the Cowboys went through after Aikman and before Romo. AZ has gone through 10 QB's and is still searching for one that can play. In 2010 Fitz put up over 1100 yards playing with 4 different QB's. Since 09 he's had 2 seasons where he's had to play with 4 different QB's. Give Fitz Tony Romo and a Jason Witten to take some pressure off him and pair him with Dez and they would be the most productive and feared WR duo in the league.

Once Boldin left AZ after the 08 season Fitz has been the only big threat the Cardinals have. You can believe what you want but Miles Austin isn't close to the receiver Larry Fitzgerald is. Would you not swap Austin for Fitzgerald if you had the opportunity?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Don't know what you're trying to say but from 09 to 2012 Fitz has produced 555 more receiving yards than Austin and he did it with a crappy QB situation. Put Austin in AZ from 09 to 2012 with the QB's Fitz has had to suffer with over the past 4 years and Austin might not have 3000 receiving yards during that period. Since 09 Fitz has had to deal with a declining and often injured Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart, Brian St Pierre, Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Max Hall, Richard Bartel, Ryan Lindley, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Kolb.

That's more QB's than the Cowboys went through after Aikman and before Romo. AZ has gone through 10 QB's and is still searching for one that can play. In 2010 Fitz put up over 1100 yards playing with 4 different QB's. Since 09 he's had 2 seasons where he's had to play with 4 different QB's. Give Fitz Tony Romo and a Jason Witten to take some pressure off him and pair him with Dez and they would be the most productive and feared WR duo in the league.

Once Boldin left AZ after the 08 season Fitz has been the only big threat the Cardinals have. You can believe what you want but Miles Austin isn't close to the receiver Larry Fitzgerald is. Would you not swap Austin for Fitzgerald if you had the opportunity?

Its really pointless to try and speculate what either receiver would have done if on opposite teams, but aside from Austin's 2011, when he was injured and missed half the year, he has put up very similar numbers to Fiz in recent years. Its certainly fair to point out that Fitz has had to deal with a pretty crap QB situation, but he's also gotten a fair amount more targets than Miles has had, too. Not saying Miles is on Fitz level, but he's given us alot more than some give him credit for.

 

[KJJ]

Its really pointless to try and speculate what either receiver would have done if on opposite teams, but aside from Austin's 2011, when he was injured and missed half the year, he has put up very similar numbers to Fiz in recent years. Its certainly fair to point out that Fitz has had to deal with a pretty crap QB situation, but he's also gotten a fair amount more targets than Miles has had, too. Not saying Miles is on Fitz level, but he's given us alot more than some give him credit for.

It's easy to speculate what Fitz could do with a better QB situation just look at his career whwn he had a good QB and a solid receiver on the other side. It all started going down for him when Boldin left after the 08 season and Warner was done the following year. Fitz had his most productive season in 08 during Warners only 4000 + yard passing season in AZ and with Boldin on the other side. With the crappy QB situation the Cards have had the past few years and not having another big receiving threat it's been much easier for defenses to shutdown Fitz. If a WR is receiving a lot of attention and they don't have a productive, accurate QB delivering them the ball they won't produce.

A receiver is a slave to their QB. Jory Galloway produced everywhere but Dallas because of their crappy QB situation that included several different QB's. A receiver and a QB have to develop some chemistry and it's pretty difficult for any receiver to develop chemistry having to play with 10 different QB's over a 4 year period. Warner was the only QB Fitz has played with that can compare with Romo and that was the declining Kurt Warner not the Kurt Warner that was lighting it up a decade earlier in St Louis for the greatest show on turf.

 

[RastaRocket]

what ever KJJ

BUT IN FOUR YEARS

FITZ

09 - 1000 + yards
10 - 1100 + yards
11 - 1400+ yards
12 -900 yards

MILES

2009 - 1300 + yards
2010 - 1100 + yards
2011 - 500 + yards
2012 - 900+ yards


BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT

I over it

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He's in a class way above Miles.

 

[dart]

to funny Rasta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xTkKmaxNM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyxUmO6czbU

 

[Frozen700]

I don't know the economics of it but why was Free asked to take a paycut and Miles was restructured? Both are over paid...

Go ask Jerry....

Just watch the games, and not worry about things that don't hurt or concern you or your pockets.

 

[SMCowboy]

It is real simple, with Free the Cowboys had leverage. We said, take a pay cut, or we release you. And he still ends up making more after the pay cut that he would have on the open market.

Wile Miles Austin, Dallas has no leverage. While he has not put up the same numbers since his huge year that he was paid for, if we went to him and said take a pay cut or we will release you. He would no doubt say fine, release me. As he would get a very similar contract on the open market most likely....

 

[starfrombirth]

Nobody is acting like the money is coming out of their pockets.. They are acting like the money is being used up that could be used to keep other, more deserving players who's contracts are coming up or to entice premium free agents to fill the holes that we have. That's the problem I have with everyone wanting 100 million dollar contracts. You tie up that much money in one person and then there is no money left to get the rest of the pieces to build a superbowl winning TEAM, which is, afterall, the ultimate goal. Yes, I know Austin doesn't have that big of a contract but it is still too much based on his playtime availability. He is productive in the games that he plays but there are way too many games when we can't count on him. It doesn't matter if he has 1000 yards in 2 games if he doesn't play in 10 others. We need him to be part of the team for the whole season and assist all the other players to make the game easier and allow our TEAM to win.

 

[SMCowboy]

Nobody is acting like the money is coming out of their pockets.. They are acting like the money is being used up that could be used to keep other, more deserving players who's contracts are coming up or to entice premium free agents to fill the holes that we have. That's the problem I have with everyone wanting 100 million dollar contracts. You tie up that much money in one person and then there is no money left to get the rest of the pieces to build a superbowl winning TEAM, which is, afterall, the ultimate goal. Yes, I know Austin doesn't have that big of a contract but it is still too much based on his playtime availability. He is productive in the games that he plays but there are way too many games when we can't count on him. It doesn't matter if he has 1000 yards in 2 games if he doesn't play in 10 others. We need him to be part of the team for the whole season and assist all the other players to make the game easier and allow our TEAM to win.

While he may be making more than we, or even Jerry would prefer to be paying him right now. We have no leverage to renegotiate his contract. Before the restructure he was expected to make under $7 million dollars. He would no doubt get $7 million Dollars on the open market. San Francisco gave up a draft pick, to acquire Anquan Boldin from the Ravens and take on his $6 million dollar price tag.
Miami gave Brian Hartline 5 years and $30 million Dollars
Danny Amendola got 5 years and $31 million dollars from the Patriots

Do you really think that even the Miles Austin we are seeing right now, would not get more than either of those two?

 

[jterrell]

what do you want from a number 2 WR

A guy that wasn't demoted from #1 WR after getting paid like a star.
Not sure how the logic works that because a guy wasn't good enough to hold his position at WR1 he is doing a bang up job.

Doug Free was one heck a rotational RT. That make you feel any better about him?

Under-performing on contract is just that and both guys were guilty.

Dallas had little leverage with Miles because it was far cheaper to keep and renegotiate him. Free was paid almost precisely what it would have counted on the cap to cut. So essentially he is cap neutral for the year.

It also helps that Dallas had little proven depth at WR. We'll see what happens with Miles next year. He might well be taking a pay cut then. The precedent had been set.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

A guy that wasn't demoted from #1 WR after getting paid like a star.

Except that any team that added Dez Bryant would have their #1 WR demoted no matter what they were being paid, save maybe 1 or 2 teams in the entire league.. and honestly if you look at what alot of #1 guys are being paid right now, Miles' contract is pretty darn reasonable for his production.

 

[jterrell]

Except that any team that added Dez Bryant would have their #1 WR demoted no matter what they were being paid, save maybe 1 or 2 teams in the entire league.. and honestly if you look at what alot of #1 guys are being paid right now, Miles' contract is pretty darn reasonable for his production.

That's simply not true.
Dez has been developing but he hardly walked in a polished WR. Right now he'd be a WR1 for just about anyone look at Roddy and Julio for how 2 good WRs can co-exist and succeed in not sucking.

Dez was promoted to WR1 largely because Miles flat sucked. Fair to say he was playing on bad hamstrings here for sure but his performance was very, very poor by WR1 standards WHEN he held that job. In an offense passing for a zillion yards he couldn't outproduce the TE who had major surgery weeks before the season started.

Miles was WR1 week 1. Dez simply took his job and he didn't put up any fight. There's been no quotes or controversy at all. A simple acceptance on everyone's part Dez has easily surpassed a guy making 8m per year.

If you keep Miles at his money what do you think Dez agent will ask for? 11 or 12 m per year?

Our WR2 should be making 3m per year.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That's simply not true.
Dez has been developing but he hardly walked in a polished WR. Right now he'd be a WR1 for just about anyone look at Roddy and Julio for how 2 good WRs can co-exist and succeed in not sucking.

Dez was promoted to WR1 largely because Miles flat sucked. Fair to say he was playing on bad hamstrings here for sure but his performance was very, very poor by WR1 standards WHEN he held that job. In an offense passing for a zillion yards he couldn't outproduce the TE who had major surgery weeks before the season started.

Miles was WR1 week 1. Dez simply took his job and he didn't put up any fight. There's been no quotes or controversy at all. A simple acceptance on everyone's part Dez has easily surpassed a guy making 8m per year.

If you keep Miles at his money what do you think Dez agent will ask for? 11 or 12 m per year?

Our WR2 should be making 3m per year.

Dez is going to get near that money regardless of what Miles makes. He's a beast, and you are simply reaching with this argument here. That's really all there is to it.. saying Dez only became Tony's go to target because Miles sucks. That's complete baloney, and i won't even begin to address everything wrong about that statement.

Bottom line, is that since Miles breakout year, he's put up at least about 1000 yards each year, except the one year he only played in half the games. That may not be Calvin Johnson production, but anytime you put up consistent 1000 yard seasons, you're a pretty darn productive receiver, imo. Even last year, when he was the third option in the passing game, he still did it.

What it comes down to is that some of you just have unrealistic expectations.. that's really all it is. It would have been nice if Dez, Witten and Miles all put up 1500 yards and 10 TD's a piece last year, but that's simply not realistic.