From Jackson to Gruden, RG3 and his Elmer Fudd hat are taking fire

[Doomsday101]

I'm not sure how much of an opportunity Bruce Allen gets going forward. He's presided over a great deal of this "mess" already.

Considering how Snyder has operated in the past, I could see everybody getting the boot and big money extended to the next big-name candidate.

True Synder could blow up the whole thing but again getting a HC who walks in and is told RGIII is some how off limits is not going to bode well. Coach is not going to put their career on some over rated QB who thinks he is the man in charge. Can only be one HC and I think that is what Gruden was making sure people understood especially the 52 others on that team.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I was thinking Gruden isn't for long in Washington. Even though he's 100% right about his fraud QB, the owner probably isn't going to tolerate his coach ripping his investment to the media.

That's likely to be quite true as well. That's probably going to get him kicked out of Washington.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think that a more experienced coach would have handled it a bit differently and not be so clear-cut and scathing in their criticisms. It's one thing to set him straight in-house and quite another to do it in public.

I think Gruden has more to learn about the art of public speaking.

I disagree that message was heard loud and clear by the players after the fact that RGIII statements were made.

 

[Stash]

True Synder could blow up the whole thing but again getting a HC who walks in and is told RGIII is some how off limits is not going to bode well. Coach is not going to put their career on some over rated QB who thinks he is the man in charge. Can only be one HC and I think that is what Gruden was making sure people understood especially the 52 others on that team.

Agreed.

 

[Stash]

I disagree that message was heard loud and clear by the players after the fact that RGIII statements were made.

But it was also heard by everyone else too.

I think that would have been better handled in a team meeting.

 

[Doomsday101]

But it was also heard by everyone else too.

I think that would have been better handled in a team meeting.

yes and some coaches like Parcells would have been a whole lot worse. I don't think Gruden makes those statement had it not been for RGIII statement publicly and I think the response was only going to hold weight by publicly putting him in his place.

 

[Stash]

yes and some coaches like Parcells would have been a whole lot worse. I don't think Gruden makes those statement had it not been for RGIII statement publicly and I think the response was only going to hold weight by publicly putting him in his place.

Agree to disagree.

I think a more experienced and savvy coach would have handled it better.

 

[Risen Star]

Agree to disagree.

I think a more experienced and savvy coach would have handled it better.

I agree.

 

[Idgit]

I have. Lots of times.

You have to remember that Risen has selective memory.

Garrett was practically eviscerated in some parts of the internet after last year's GB game when he indicated Tony switched the play on the Austin pick at the end of that game. Only at that point, the criticism was probably 'I have never heard a coach throw a QB under the bus like that.'

Here's the quote to JG's comments on that instance:

"We call that a 'smoke' or a 'flash,' Garrett explained. "That's something we have accompanying some runs if he gets a bad look. That's what happened on the interception. It was a run call that he threw the ball on."

As Chris Brown of Grantland explains, this was a "packaged" play. You can tell by seeing how the offensive line fires off like run blockers. Romo did not "change the play" as many have reported. He had the option to throw, and he saw something in the defense to call a pass.

It looks like Romo passed on his first read, was pressured and then made a poor decision and worse throw on the interception.

"I think he'll be the first one to tell you he probably should have run the ball in that situation," Garrett said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-garrett-tony-romo-shouldve-handed-off-on-int

Link to the pc, too.

That's just one instance, and it's a Cowboys example because I think that's the subtext of what we're talking about here. There are tons of examples of HCs criticizing QB play over the years and across the league.

As far as the Cowboys go, Jason's a classy guy, and he's going to try to not bring negativity or explicit criticism into a press conference. That's a really good thing in my book. Steve Dennis and others have said on several occasions that I've heard that he handles criticism very differently privately and in team-only meetings.

If the argument is that the tone of the WAS criticisms and not the criticism itself, I'd agree that this was some pretty juicy and explicit stuff. I'd say it was also something that should probably have been kept internal. But I guess we'll see how it works out for Gruden.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Is this Jay Gruden or Frank Caliendo talking? Gruden sounds just like Caliendo when Caliendo is imitating Jon Gruden. He even looks a lil like Caliendo. Combine that with RGME looking like Eddie Murphy in the bomber hat and its comedy Central at Commander Park.

Listen at the 9;50 mark and tell me that doesnt sound like Caliendo.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I'm also not seeing anything impressive from Gruden himself.

I was surprised when they announced he was getting the job and I see nothing to indicate he's ever deserved it.

Which is why I found Gruden's comments unwarranted and unprofessional, despite being accurate. A scathing analysis of RG3's performance should've been reserved for Griffin himself and the coaching staff. Not the media. Especially when Gruden had two weeks to come up with a game plan that was ineffective, and failed to stay with the run once again.

I wonder how he would feel if Bruce Allen addressed the media and told them Gruden shouldn't have given a 3-6 team the bye week off.

 

[visionary]

He has Cam Newton disease, he believed his hype

 

[DallasInDC]

He shouldn't be getting sacked so much when he can outrun ANYBODY in the NFL if he chooses.

He Used to be able to outrun everyone on the field. He doesn't seem as fast coming back from the ankle injury.

Considering speed/athleticism was his greatest attribute, if he cannot regain that he is no longer a special athlete. His accuracy and decision making is horrible, he can't see the entire field or read defenses, and his teammates and coaches are all losing confidence in him. Unless he can figure it all out quickly he will be holding a clip board hoping he gets another chance at redemption with another team in a couple of years.

Shanahan knew what he had after year one, Gruden is just finding it out. There is a reason why neither coach is standing behind him...and it is not just because he is a diva. People got caught up in his rookie year, however, I think it was more a result of Kyle shanahan brilliantly putting together a gimmicky offense that caught everyone off guard coupled with a strong running game with Alfred Morris. That took a lot of pressure off of RGIII to be a real QB and he was able to hit the underneath stuff and get a lot of YAC with an occasional deep ball. Everybody was mezmerized by his ability to run, they overlooked all of his poor mechanics and ability to only see half the field. The truth is, RGIIIs college success will be yet another QB whose abilities don't translate well to the NFL. I am just glad the skins gave up as much as they did to find that out. The ony thing that would have made it better, is if the NFL had waited a couple more years before instituting a rookie cap....could you imagine this trainwreck with a $100MM salary.

 

[jrumann59]

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I wonder how he would feel if Bruce Allen addressed the media and told them Gruden shouldn't have given a 3-6 team the bye week off.

Danny could give presser saying his GM does not know the CBA.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This is a big reason why I want the Cowboys to draft a QB next April and allow him to sit out his rookie year instead of waiting until we must have a QB and starting him right away.

There is so much to learn in the NFL, from the playbook, defenses, the physical training, etc. that mechanics get neglected when you start right away and are not ready to play. In RG3's case, he performed pretty good his rookie season, but it was based on a gimmicky offense that NFL defenses were soon going to find out how to contain. And when he had to beat teams with his Quarterback *skill* instead of his raw athleticism, he couldn't. That may have not been the case had he sat on the bench for his rookie season where he could learn the NFL game and work on his mechanics. Now they have him in the WCO which requires even better mechanics, especially with footwork.

If you can't learn how not to do things from Washington, then you deserve to fail.






YR

You are right except when it comes to RGIII. The talk is that he doesn't want any part of that. No learning, putting in the time.... Didn't he say he was the best player and unstoppable in his first year, no one is better than Him?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You are right except when it comes to RGIII. The talk is that he doesn't want any part of that. No learning, putting in the time.... Didn't he say he was the best player and unstoppable in his first year, no one is better than Him?

I think that is part of the problem with starting a rookie QB. If they have success in their rookie season, then they are more apt to think that they don't need to work to improve things.

I got the feeling of this even with Romo when Parcells coached him in 2006. Despite being in his 4th season in the league and lighting up the league in '06, Parcells really harped on negatives..even when the plays worked out. Why? So, he would not be content and would continue to strive to get better.

I think Roethlisberger had the same issues. Eventually his mechanics got better and he became a much better passer from the pocket. But, it took a few seasons despite his tremendous success early on. I can't blame the Steelers for starting Roethlisberger early on because Maddox got hurt and Roethlisberger was doing so well that the Steelers went 15-1 with him and then won the Super Bowl the following season. But, he's certainly the exception rather than the rule.




YR

 

[jobberone]

You have to remember that Risen has selective memory.

Garrett was practically eviscerated in some parts of the internet after last year's GB game when he indicated Tony switched the play on the Austin pick at the end of that game. Only at that point, the criticism was probably 'I have never heard a coach throw a QB under the bus like that.'

Here's the quote to JG's comments on that instance:



Link to the pc, too.

That's just one instance, and it's a Cowboys example because I think that's the subtext of what we're talking about here. There are tons of examples of HCs criticizing QB play over the years and across the league.

As far as the Cowboys go, Jason's a classy guy, and he's going to try to not bring negativity or explicit criticism into a press conference. That's a really good thing in my book. Steve Dennis and others have said on several occasions that I've heard that he handles criticism very differently privately and in team-only meetings.

If the argument is that the tone of the WAS criticisms and not the criticism itself, I'd agree that this was some pretty juicy and explicit stuff. I'd say it was also something that should probably have been kept internal. But I guess we'll see how it works out for Gruden.

Both should have kept it internal but stuff happens. At times a leader should intervene.

When I was very young and the dinosaurs lived a neighbor kept a dog chained to a tree two houses down from me. I passed the dog everyday on the way to school and to play down the street always keeping out of reach. But I was young and I decided the dog was lonely tied up to the tree and decided to befriend it. It nearly tore my left ear off. It was just tangling but my father did a great job suturing it back on.

Let sleeping dogs lie and be careful with critters and such.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think that is part of the problem with starting a rookie QB. If they have success in their rookie season, then they are more apt to think that they don't need to work to improve things.

I got the feeling of this even with Romo when Parcells coached him in 2006. Despite being in his 4th season in the league and lighting up the league in '06, Parcells really harped on negatives..even when the plays worked out. Why? So, he would not be content and would continue to strive to get better.

I think Roethlisberger had the same issues. Eventually his mechanics got better and he became a much better passer from the pocket. But, it took a few seasons despite his tremendous success early on. I can't blame the Steelers for starting Roethlisberger early on because Maddox got hurt and Roethlisberger was doing so well that the Steelers went 15-1 with him and then won the Super Bowl the following season. But, he's certainly the exception rather than the rule.




YR

"Never let good enough be good enough"

Romo is different though. Success in every season, hurt or not. RGIII had success, got hurt and now I wonder when the injury excuse will stop being used?

 

[jrumann59]

"Never let good enough be good enough"

Romo is different though. Success in every season, hurt or not. RGIII had success, got hurt and now I wonder when the injury excuse will stop being used?

Once he is either traded or cut

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If Danny fires Bruce Allen...hopefully he brings back bug eyed Vinny.