Frustrations lead to resentment and now anger

[texbumthelife]

How we use it can be a problem and of course execution is always first and foremost.

OK, this pretty much says it all and is the issue.

 

[jobberone]

No I haven't looked @ the all-22

Nor do I need too.....I can tell by just looking @ how the CBs are lining up and how many Lbers are on the field. Most of the time we are in a 4-2-5 and we are cheating Church down in the box leaving Wilcox to defend over the top. It's just asinine coaching what we ask some of our players to do. One of the worst coaching mistakes a coach can make is to put a player in a position to fail. And Wilcox playing FS is a prime example....asking him to cover from sideline to sideline when we play that single high safety....He just doesn't have the speed to do it....nor the instincts.

If you haven't seen it and are just watching TV you can't know what defenses are doing of the back end. You can get an idea on some plays but you need to see all the receivers and defenders. You can cheat a safety up towards the box and it looks like a cover one and isn't. Teams disguise (should) their defense presnap and all you are going to see is maybe the LBers and occasional looks at the CBs but generally you are going to see the lines and offensive backfield before the snap and immediately afterwards.

 

[perrykemp]

That is not correct. Walsh couldn't run a traditional vertical offense in SF due to the lack of a QB to operate it among other things. It was initially somewhat effective but become great with the addition of Montana and Rice and then TO and their RBs. It remained a vertical offense (Air Coryell) and the name is a misnomer of the Walsh system which IS a hybrid vertical offense.

I can get into a long conversation of the development of the vertical offense from Brown to Sid Gillman to Coryell and all the variations of the vertical offense since then. It has evolved and GB, Sea and some others used more horizontal/slant routes than others do. But they all run virtually the same route tree.

All offenses today are a subset of the Brown/Gillman/Coryell system utilizing the personnel they have to their strengths. In truth there are niche players along with true X and Z wideouts and the evolution of the Y to today's version that run all variations of the VO according to personnel, down and distance, opponent etc. These are skilled players who fit certain routes better than others according to their talents. Use of the RBs differ as well.

Our offense is like others. How we use it can be a problem and of course execution is always first and foremost.

I suspect I'd very much like having coffee with you Jobber and talking football.

 

[bark]

I don't know what it was. Maybe it was Lee going out (the scoring in the second half all happened after his concussion). Maybe it was them just getting tired. I hope that explains the collapse, since not a lot of other teams in the league will take advantage of that in the same way PHI does. But it was pretty bad.

They showed our defense on a drive IN THE SECOND quarter and they were mouth open gasping for air . I knew then we were in for trouble.
The Eagles ran one more play than we did and the time of possession was well in our favor.
I understand the pace argument but geez are we that poorly conditioned ?

Defense spit the bit last nt. This one is gonna leave a mark

 

[LandryFan]

We're also Marines. Semper fi Brother.

Semper Fi!

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

They showed our defense on a drive IN THE SECOND quarter and they were mouth open gasping for air . I knew then we were in for trouble.
The Eagles ran one more play than we did and the time of possession was well in our favor.
I understand the pace argument but geez are we that poorly conditioned ?

Defense spit the bit last nt. This one is gonna leave a mark

They were making me tired watching them.

 

[jobberone]

I suspect I'd very much like having coffee with you Jobber and talking football.

Give me some tea and it's a deal!

 

[LocimusPrime]

Resentment, fear, and anger are paths to the dark side

 

[jobberone]

Resentment, fear, and anger are paths to the dark side

I wondered if someone would bring this up!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We run a hybrid vertical offense like most teams in the NFL since the 70s to answer a post in another frustration thread.

Our offense has scored well as of late and has never been terrible under Garrett. You want 25+ PPG. We've scored 369-467 pts per season under Garrett through 2014. We've scored 160 so far this year and given up 204. That's the reason we are 2-6. The major reasons for that are called Romo and Dez and minor reasons are Hardy, Gregory and all.

We all anticipated a 10-16th ranked defense and a top ten maybe top five offense. We didn't get it although without looking it up the defense has played well. Fading in the 4th quarter is due to (last night) the Philly offense's hurry up system. The rest is partly due to a failure of the offense and the problems of lack of depth and talent in the secondary. This is a hole we've had for awhile and will take more time to cure. So on track to give up 400 points this year doesn't explain the play of the defense entirely given the state of the offense.

All the other problems are magnified because of the problems above. They always need addressing but are not normally regime change worthy.

The only coach I don't have warm fuzzy feelings for is the STs coach. The others haven't changed. And the argument that Romo carried Garrett's water is true. But not in a negative light. All coaches look less when they don't have an elite QB. An elite QB carries the team. Been that way with infrequent exceptions for a long time.

There is not a magic bullet such as firing Garrett which will fix this nightmare. Drafting more talent especially on defense and in particular the secondary is necessary. Keeping up with waning talent, loss of talent, and improving where possible on both sides is equally necessary.

Everyone is frustrated and some have progressed to resentment. Others are outright angry. I can't blame them and they are entitled to their feelings. I'm frustrated.

This season isn't over but each loss carries us further down the road to no playoffs and the window is closing fast. Can we still go? With losses by others and a big time winning streak yeah. It's unlikely with two teams ahead of us but I won't give up hope. It is unrealistic to anticipate an unlikely event though.

If the negative happens then I will do what I've done for 51 years; anticipate a SB next season. What else is there to do? Raging against the dark may help short term depression but doesn't affect anything of import.

Just my 2 cts and in no way meant as an apologetic thread or to change people's minds. Just the facts, Mam.

I now feels better about 0-6.

 

[jobberone]

I now feels better about 0-6.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment although as I said this wasn't an apology thread.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Thanks for the thoughtful comment although as I said this wasn't an apology thread.

No it didnt read like a apology.
More like a excuse list.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Garrett is a fart and Romo is Febreze.

 

[conner01]

I'm not even going to put last night on the coaches.

They didn't help or hurt for the most part and with Jason Garrett as your coach with his laughable scheme that is really all you can ask out of him.

That scheme worked pretty well last year. The same scheme without a QB
Maybe the problem is not the scheme but the fact we don't have a QB to run the scheme

 

[CATCH17]

That scheme worked pretty well last year. The same scheme without a QB
Maybe the problem is not the scheme but the fact we don't have a QB to run the scheme

The scheme sucked last year as well.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Nice thread idea. Tough to wade in these waters right now.

Personally, the nature of the loss last night was really demoralizing. Because the defense had been playing well since the NE game. We'd gotten our defensive players back, and had every reasons to expect a huge game against a bad QB, a bad offense overall, and a weakened OL. And our offense, which had been bad this seasons for very obvious and explainable reasons, actually played well, overall, last night. The pick-6 was a dangerous throw and a horrible decision when the guy is covered that well, but, other than that, Cassel played way above whatever expectations it was reasonable to have for him. DMC ran hard, the OL blocked well against a very good DL. They finally played good.

And we still lost, this time because the defense crumbled. Sure, there were the back to back ST errors early that helped, but mostly it was just the fact that we couldn't stop a bad offense late when we needed somebody to make a play. And that's not going to be any different when Romo gets back, necessarily. It's pretty depressing. And I'm not even sure right now why it's happening. Our LBs ought to be the strength of this team and one of the better units in the league, but they're not very good. Jones has come in and played great in an increased role the last two weeks. It hasn't mattered. And, for the life of me, I don't understand why we can't seem to get takeaways this season. It's absolutely killing us.

Teams in the NFL lose for two main reasons................talent and coaching.................I think in our case it is a combination of the two, not one specifically.

I think many fans realize that the talent on this team is not what was advertised and the coaching on this team could be a lot better. Not taking a shot at Garrett (even though I feel, in general, that the head coach is responsible for the performance of his team), but our Special Teams coach is abysmal and our offensive line coach was a downgrade compared to Callahan. So yes, even if Garrett stays, we need to address replacing some of the assistants in my opinion.

 

[Paniolo22]

I don't know, I feel like I can only get kicked in the nuts so many times....

 

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[Idgit]

Teams in the NFL lose for two main reasons................talent and coaching.................I think in our case it is a combination of the two, not one specifically.

I think many fans realize that the talent on this team is not what was advertised and the coaching on this team could be a lot better. Not taking a shot at Garrett (even though I feel, in general, that the head coach is responsible for the performance of his team), but our Special Teams coach is abysmal and our offensive line coach was a downgrade compared to Callahan. So yes, even if Garrett stays, we need to address replacing some of the assistants in my opinion.

ST has been a disaster, it hasn't gotten better some of that's personnel, but since ST personnel are relatively easy to find, I'd agree that that's a problem we should have fixed at this point in the season.

I don't agree that there's a coaching issue overall, though. I think the OC and DCs are strong, and you know I really think the HC is a good coach. That said, this run of losses is getting big enough that it's becoming a thing of it's own. At some point, a losing streak early in the year gets so big that a coach really can't contain it in the locker room. At that point, players start taking things on themselves and, if it goes on long enough, the center doesn't hold. I haven't felt like we've been near that point yet this season, but this week's loss I will say has possibly nudged is in that direction. Losing in Tampa would be bad. And then hypothetically losing that 9th loss, whenever it happens will be another challenge.

I hate it more than most of you guys, maybe, because I firmly believe this is a team that is otherwise very close. I don't buy the coaching excuses and I don't think the personnel is as suspect as some do. The injuries have been one (huge) thing, but I wish I had an explanation for the lack of takeaways. It's really bizarre, and it's just killing us during this stretch here without Romo.

 

[jobberone]

No it didnt read like a apology.
More like a excuse list.

I see you conveniently missed all the criticism. Maybe we can solve this chasm of disagreement by having a spelling bee with a one paragraph English grammar composition face off.