Future with Escobar

[Next Years Champ]

I still like the pick also, didn't 100% agree with it at the time, but later on I could understand it and accept it. I think soon many that didn't and still don't like it, will see the value and like it. Or at least accept it better.
Then somehow will never like it, either because they don't want to admit being wrong, don't want to admit JJ was right. Or both. Even though it truly wasn't all JJ. But in some eyes it is.
Or it's just their own opinion for their own reasons and that's ok too.

This.

I really try to see everybodies opinion while I'm here at the site

To me, the players play regardless what we as fans think or do.

We have no real input.

Now I don't gamble.. others here may.

That might make me more involved than I already am..

hahahaha hahahaha..

Enjoy the game.

 

[TTexasTT]

I think Escobar has a very bright future ahead of him; unfortunately, it won't be for this team. He'll end up leaving and turn into a better version of Anthony Fasano/Marty B.

How clever.
Neither or those two are half the TE of Witten. The were let go because they were not needed. Escobar has a much higher upside and Witten is starting to fade.

 

[HappyOnions]

How clever.
Neither or those two are half the TE of Witten. The were let go because they were not needed. Escobar has a much higher upside and Witten is starting to fade.

And Escobar was a need? Witten is nowhere near done.

 

[TTexasTT]

And Escobar was a need? Witten is nowhere near done.

lol
Now that I know what Im dealing with, Im not even going to bother...

 

[HappyOnions]

lol
Now that I know what Im dealing with, Im not even going to bother...

I'm just asking for you to elaborate on why Escobar is so much better than the aforementioned TEs and why Jason Witten no longer has what it takes to help this team.

 

[TTexasTT]

I'm just asking for you to elaborate on why Escobar is so much better than the aforementioned TEs and why Jason Witten no longer has what it takes to help this team.

Elaborate on words I didnt say? If you cant see that Witten is slowing greatly your on Helen Keller status. He can still be productive but its time to start grooming Escobar.
Escobar is 22
Fasano is probably close to 30 with Black Unicorn not much younger.... Really, what are you wanting to know.

 

[HappyOnions]

Elaborate on words I didnt say? If you cant see that Witten is slowing greatly your on Helen Keller status. He can still be productive but its time to start grooming Escobar.
Escobar is 22
Fasano is probably close to 30 with Black Unicorn not much younger.... Really, what are you wanting to know.

Witten is 31, you're acting like he's knocking on 40. His 8 TD receptions are the second most of his career during a season and there's still a game left to be played.

Escobar is slower than both Fasano and Bennett and is a huge liability with blocking. Not saying that can't be fixed, but Marty B and Fasano were two TEs with good "measurable" coming out of college. Why didn't this team utilize what they have? why are they having considerably more success with their new team(s)?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I think it would be wise to use Escobar but nothing about this season indicates that this team is willing to do so. He has 8 catches on the year...8. Jason Witten is going to be here for the foreseeable future as the starting TE and Escobar will be placed on the back-burner just like the two 2nd round TEs before him.

 

[TTexasTT]

Witten is 31, you're acting like he's knocking on 40. His 8 TD receptions are the second most of his career during a season and there's still a game left to be played.

Escobar is slower than both Fasano and Bennett and is a huge liability with blocking. Not saying that can't be fixed, but Marty B and Fasano were two TEs with good "measurable" coming out of college. Why didn't this team utilize what they have? why are they having considerably more success with their new team(s)?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I think it would be wise to use Escobar but nothing about this season indicates that this team is willing to do so. He has 8 catches on the year...8. Jason Witten is going to be here for the foreseeable future as the starting TE and Escobar will be placed on the back-burner just like the two 2nd round TEs before him.

fair enough. Those two guys are very servicable and talented but they were just too close to Wittens age and wouldve spend some prime years relegated to a smaller role than they shouldve been. Marty just seems very unreliable. Escobar needs some grooming but looks to have amazing potential and has a chance to learn under one of the best. He could benefit greatly from Witten and isnt expected or needed to carry a massive load right away.
I see your point as well. Probably not the pick I wouldve run with, but it could eventually work out.

 

[joseephuss]

Witten is 31, you're acting like he's knocking on 40. His 8 TD receptions are the second most of his career during a season and there's still a game left to be played.

Escobar is slower than both Fasano and Bennett and is a huge liability with blocking. Not saying that can't be fixed, but Marty B and Fasano were two TEs with good "measurable" coming out of college. Why didn't this team utilize what they have? why are they having considerably more success with their new team(s)?

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How are you defining success? Both guys will produce more because they are now the #1 tight end starters on their respective teams. They weren't in the same position while in Dallas. Dallas did utilize them as the second tight end. Bennett actually did well in that role. If you compare his production to other second tight ends in the league he did pretty well. Can't say the same about Fasano. He did poorly as the second guy in Dallas and he really hasn't fared that well as the starting tight end with his other teams. His receiving totals are actually poor for a tight end in this era. He has averaged 33 receptions a year since leaving Dallas.

I really don't see how either guy can be viewed as having considerably more success with their new teams since they are playing in different roles and Fasano just isn't that good.

 

[jobberone]

I don't care about his in line blocking just as a receiver. I like to see him work on his speed.

 

[HappyOnions]

How are you defining success? Both guys will produce more because they are now the #1 tight end starters on their respective teams. They weren't in the same position while in Dallas. Dallas did utilize them as the second tight end. Bennett actually did well in that role. If you compare his production to other second tight ends in the league he did pretty well. Can't say the same about Fasano. He did poorly as the second guy in Dallas and he really hasn't fared that well as the starting tight end with his other teams. His receiving totals are actually poor for a tight end in this era. He has averaged 33 receptions a year since leaving Dallas.

I really don't see how either guy can be viewed as having considerably more success with their new teams since they are playing in different roles and Fasano just isn't that good.

Fair point. Fasano played pretty well considering the QB situation in Miami when he joined them.

I guess what I'm saying is that why do we not utilize the talent while they're here? Clearly Bennett and Fasano are at the very least, serviceable TEs in this league. We heard all this talk about "2 TE sets" and blah blah blah and we've seen it maybe a handful of times. I just feel like Escobar is going to suffer the same fate as the other two TEs. They showcased their abilities to at least contribute, why couldn't this team get them involved in the offense while they were here?

Escobar should be having the type of season that Joseph Fauria (Lions TE is having). He has 15 receptions, but SEVEN TDs. Escobar is 6'6" and catches anything thrown near him...why can't this team utilize him in the red-zone? Escobar shouldn't have 40-50 catches, but he should easily have more than one TD...I thought that's why this team brought him in, to help close the deal in the red-zone instead of settling for field goals.

 

[jobberone]

Fair point. Fasano played pretty well considering the QB situation in Miami when he joined them.

I guess what I'm saying is that why do we not utilize the talent while they're here? Clearly Bennett and Fasano are at the very least, serviceable TEs in this league. We heard all this talk about "2 TE sets" and blah blah blah and we've seen it maybe a handful of times. I just feel like Escobar is going to suffer the same fate as the other two TEs. They showcased their abilities to at least contribute, why couldn't this team get them involved in the offense while they were here?

Escobar should be having the type of season that Joseph Fauria (Lions TE is having). He has 15 receptions, but SEVEN TDs. Escobar is 6'6" and catches anything thrown near him...why can't this team utilize him in the red-zone? Escobar shouldn't have 40-50 catches, but he should easily have more than one TD...I thought that's why this team brought him in, to help close the deal in the red-zone instead of settling for field goals.

All good questions.

 

[dreghorn2]

Escobar was selected because of our red zone problems the last few seasons.

Our 'braintrust' put their little heads together and thought this was the perfect answer to the lack of scoring down deep. Mismatches, 2 TE alignment, yada yada.

Ironically we are one of the best red zone offenses in the league with Callahan at the controls and Escobar playing defensive end tackle (sitting on the end of the bench, defending the water bucket, and tackling anyone who comes near it).

Late in the season Garret was asked why there seemed to be a resurgence in the running game, he answered it was because they signed a fullback, can't make this stuff up.

 

[Hoofbite]

lol what?

I'd rather have Phillips and a 2nd round pick than the 8 catches Escobar has provided.

 

[TTexasTT]

I'd rather have Phillips and a 2nd round pick than the 8 catches Escobar has provided.

thats nice.

 

[Zekeats]

I still like the pick.

I still hate the pick

 

[Hoofbite]

thats nice.

Good point.

 

[TTexasTT]

I still hate the pick

that because you hate everything... seriously, look at this guys post history. He is complaining about something in every single one.

Impressive really

Good point.

Well thank you. I pride myself in making them.

 

[joseephuss]

Fair point. Fasano played pretty well considering the QB situation in Miami when he joined them.

I guess what I'm saying is that why do we not utilize the talent while they're here? Clearly Bennett and Fasano are at the very least, serviceable TEs in this league. We heard all this talk about "2 TE sets" and blah blah blah and we've seen it maybe a handful of times. I just feel like Escobar is going to suffer the same fate as the other two TEs. They showcased their abilities to at least contribute, why couldn't this team get them involved in the offense while they were here?

Escobar should be having the type of season that Joseph Fauria (Lions TE is having). He has 15 receptions, but SEVEN TDs. Escobar is 6'6" and catches anything thrown near him...why can't this team utilize him in the red-zone? Escobar shouldn't have 40-50 catches, but he should easily have more than one TD...I thought that's why this team brought him in, to help close the deal in the red-zone instead of settling for field goals.

Dallas really hasn't had to settle for field goals that much this season. They've been good in the red zone. They rank 3rd in scoring yet only rank 20th in field goal attempts.

 

[Zekeats]

that because you hate everything... seriously, look at this guys post history. He is complaining about something in every single one.

Impressive really





Well thank you. I pride myself in making them.

Yeah cause right now there is a lot to love about a franchise that is headed in the right direction.......sorry, I forgot about our positives such as our GM, our Head Coach, our number 1 ranked defense, our healthy starting QB, our depth at every position, and our tons of cap room for next offseason.