Fuzzy's Obligatory, Reactionary, Post-Donkey Game Roster Prediction

[sago1]

Bowen won't bring us anything in a trade. Gramatica, maybe a 6th rounder if some team is desperate but doubt he'd bring any CB of value. All we can hope for is some team cuts a vet CB for cap reasons who willing play for us for $1-2M just for 1 year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bowen won't bring us anything in a trade. Gramatica, maybe a 6th rounder if some team is desperate but doubt he'd bring any CB of value. All we can hope for is some team cuts a vet CB for cap reasons who willing play for us for $1-2M just for 1 year.

Id take a 6th for Grammy in a heartbeat. As for Bowen i can always hope. he hasnt really shown much this preseason.

 

[FLcowboy]

Ellis is starting to be a concern for me. Even if he returns, to what level will he be able to play? I was hoping he would return in the pre-season so that he could slowly progress to his former level by the season opener, but now, I see him returning and being very tentative, and that won't cut it I'm afraid.

 

[VACowboy]

I think we'll keep another OLB.

 

[cobra]

Yeah, our roster is pretty set in stone at this point except a couple of positions.

Here are my comments on your list. Blue are locks, red are question marks.

QB: Romo Johnson Moore
HB: Jones Barber Thompson
FB: Hoyte Anderson
TE: Witten Fasano Curtis
WR: Owens Glenn Crayton Hurd Stanback Austin
OT: Adams Columbo McQuistan Free Marten
G/C: Gurode Davis Kosier Proctor
DE: Spears Canty Hatcher Ratliff
DT: Ferguson Ayodele
OLB: Ware Ellis Spencer Glymph
ILB: Ayodele James Carpenter Burnett
CB: Newman Henry Glenn Reeves Thomas
S: Williams Hamlin Davis Watkins Brown
LS: Frenchy
P: McBriar
K: Folk

There are only 7 question marks that I see.

Do we keep a 3rd QB? It's clearly Moore if we do, but I suspect they will try to get him to the PS. I don't see us keeping a 3rd QB, so that frees up a roster spot: maybe a 7th WR or 2nd Kicker.

Do we keep 2 FBs? We didn't under Parcells. But since we are thin at TE, I suspect we will keep 2 FBs. Anderson is the 2nd if we do--as you noted--but the only question for Deon is whether we keep the 2nd guy. I think 5 TEs/FBs are a good number. So if you are going to keep 3 TEs only, then I think Deon makes the team.

6 WRs or 7? Ownes/Glenn/Crayton/Hurd are locks 1-4. I think Stanback is a lock to make the roster, but I don't know if he will be the 5th WR or 6th or 7th on the depth chart. It's really the only true battle going on here besides backup NT. Austin did look terrible Saturday night, and if he can't be a WR, I don't think he will make this team only as a ST player because we have guys who can do what he does (Thompson KR, Davis/Watkins as gunners). Urban I think might beat him out and looks solid. Rabb and Richardson look like PS candidates to me.

Backup NT? Going to keep one, and it looks like Remi might be that guy as you said. Another solid preseason game out of Remi and I think this is one more roster spot solidified.

5th CB? I think you are right that Thomas appears to have the upper hand on the 5th spot. Like NT, one more solid game from Thomas and this is locked up too. Nate Jones has had several years, and he is still not showing much. So bye, bye Nate. Butler and Ball are the only ones pushing Thomas, but neither have done much. PS perhaps.

5th S? Do we keep 5 at safety? Ordinarily no. But with Brown being a CB/S, then I think so this year. So Brown gets the spot as 5th S and 6th CB.

1K or 2? I don't know who wins the battle if it is just 1. It probably won't matter. With keeping only 2 QBs, we are either going to take both kickers with us or throw on a 7th WR. I think we will go with 2 kickers.

In short, if I am correct about the 2 QBs, and Remi and Thomas have good games next week, I see the entire roster set except for the Austin/Urban battle. Deon as backup FB, Remi Backup NT, Thomas 5th CB, Brown 5th S/6th CB, both kickers. I see us going into the final preseason game with the only question to answer on the field whether it is Austin or Urban at 5th WR and looking like this:

QB: Romo Johnson
HB: Jones Barber Thompson
FB: Hoyte Anderson
TE: Witten Fasano Curtis
WR: Owens Glenn Crayton Hurd Stanback Austin/Urban
OT: Adams Columbo McQuistan Free Marten
G/C: Gurode Davis Kosier Proctor
DE: Spears Canty Hatcher Ratliff
DT: Ferguson Ayodele
OLB: Ware Ellis Spencer Glymph
ILB: Ayodele James Carpenter Burnett
CB: Newman Henry Glenn Reeves Thomas
S: Williams Hamlin Davis Watkins Brown
LS: Frenchy
P: McBriar
K: Folk, Grammatica

 

[Noryb]

quote=cobra;1596439] Urban I think might beat him out and looks solid. [/quote]

Can somebody please tell me where this love affair w/ Urban comes from? He doesn't even appear to be getting more playing time in this preseason than Richardson.

 

[theogt]

Urban I think might beat him out and looks solid.

Can somebody please tell me where this love affair w/ Urban comes from? He doesn't even appear to be getting more playing time in this preseason than Richardson.

I have no idea. If we kept 8 receivers he'd still have a hard time making the roster.

 

[Crown Royal]

strength. ive heard banter about his arm strength is average and its not.

I don't know how you would describe it. Strong isn't a word I would use.

 

[cobra]

Can somebody please tell me where this love affair w/ Urban comes from?

Well, I'm not sure where "love affair" comes from. I said the guy looked solid for a 6th WR and competing to a draw with a guy I said looked terrible. Not exactly a ringing endorsement on my part. I don't think he is starting caliber by a long shot.

But he seems to run good routes and catch all the passes thrown at him in the preseason games I watched... which was 2.

At some point we have to put this all in perspective. We are talking about the 6th WR who probably won't play much. Who's better between Austin and Urban? Who cares, really? Does it matter? This is the last spot on the roster.

I like Urban over Austin because of consistency. Urban has been in the league for several years now and apparently is a solid WR. I don't think we will need him, but if he is ever out there on a key third down, I like Urban's chances of catching the ball than Austin. Austin--the superior physical talent--isn't much at catching balls.

 

[Noryb]

Well, I'm not sure where "love affair" comes from. I said the guy looked solid for a 6th WR and competing to a draw with a guy I said looked terrible. Not exactly a ringing endorsement on my part. I don't think he is starting caliber by a long shot.

But he seems to run good routes and catch all the passes thrown at him in the preseason games I watched... which was 2.

At some point we have to put this all in perspective. We are talking about the 6th WR who probably won't play much. Who's better between Austin and Urban? Who cares, really? Does it matter? This is the last spot on the roster.

I like Urban over Austin because of consistency. Urban has been in the league for several years now and apparently is a solid WR. I don't think we will need him, but if he is ever out there on a key third down, I like Urban's chances of catching the ball than Austin. Austin--the superior physical talent--isn't much at catching balls.

I’m not saying the guy can’t play, I just haven’t seen enough of him to say that he can and that he should be a part of the 53 man roster. So I was perplexed why people said that he was challenging for a roster spot. The fact that he has been in the league for 3 years and is fighting for the 6th wr spot says a lot also.

I have seen posters say we should keep 7 wr’s just to keep Urban. Why would you keep 7 wr’s when only 3 of them are proven? If the Cowboys feel as though Austin can’t cut it in the NFL then we need to keep 5 wr’s and put a couple of them on the PS, especially with the depth we appear to have at TE.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

No punt returner on the lists. Meybe checking the waiver wire for one. Stanback won't be ready to return punts this year.

Austin/Urban debate, how much playing time did Austin get last pre-season. He made one TD catch last year. BP was enamored with the Jersey boy and kept him on the roster, to develop. I can live with either, but think Urban has better better hands and runs better routes......(from TC).

What happened to those who used to argue that Romo's arm was not NFL quality? Remeber thosw who said it was weak and would never be an NFL qb? Just wonering.........

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know how you would describe it. Strong isn't a word I would use.

And I would say you underrate him. This my statement

 

[Idgit]

I don't know how you would describe it. Strong isn't a word I would use.

IIRC, there was an article about Romo's fastball speed last year that indicated that his arm was very strong--nearly Favre-ish. Anyone else remember that, or is it the liquor talking?

I think people discount arm strength from small school QBs that make it in the NFL because they think the big guns naturally go to the big schools. In actuality, it's probably the opposite that happens: NFL teams aren't going to bother looking at small-armed QBs from small schools, period.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, our roster is pretty set in stone at this point except a couple of positions.

Here are my comments on your list. Blue are locks, red are question marks.



There are only 7 question marks that I see.

Do we keep a 3rd QB? It's clearly Moore if we do, but I suspect they will try to get him to the PS. I don't see us keeping a 3rd QB, so that frees up a roster spot: maybe a 7th WR or 2nd Kicker.

Do we keep 2 FBs? We didn't under Parcells. But since we are thin at TE, I suspect we will keep 2 FBs. Anderson is the 2nd if we do--as you noted--but the only question for Deon is whether we keep the 2nd guy. I think 5 TEs/FBs are a good number. So if you are going to keep 3 TEs only, then I think Deon makes the team.

6 WRs or 7? Ownes/Glenn/Crayton/Hurd are locks 1-4. I think Stanback is a lock to make the roster, but I don't know if he will be the 5th WR or 6th or 7th on the depth chart. It's really the only true battle going on here besides backup NT. Austin did look terrible Saturday night, and if he can't be a WR, I don't think he will make this team only as a ST player because we have guys who can do what he does (Thompson KR, Davis/Watkins as gunners). Urban I think might beat him out and looks solid. Rabb and Richardson look like PS candidates to me.

Backup NT? Going to keep one, and it looks like Remi might be that guy as you said. Another solid preseason game out of Remi and I think this is one more roster spot solidified.

5th CB? I think you are right that Thomas appears to have the upper hand on the 5th spot. Like NT, one more solid game from Thomas and this is locked up too. Nate Jones has had several years, and he is still not showing much. So bye, bye Nate. Butler and Ball are the only ones pushing Thomas, but neither have done much. PS perhaps.

5th S? Do we keep 5 at safety? Ordinarily no. But with Brown being a CB/S, then I think so this year. So Brown gets the spot as 5th S and 6th CB.

1K or 2? I don't know who wins the battle if it is just 1. It probably won't matter. With keeping only 2 QBs, we are either going to take both kickers with us or throw on a 7th WR. I think we will go with 2 kickers.

In short, if I am correct about the 2 QBs, and Remi and Thomas have good games next week, I see the entire roster set except for the Austin/Urban battle. Deon as backup FB, Remi Backup NT, Thomas 5th CB, Brown 5th S/6th CB, both kickers. I see us going into the final preseason game with the only question to answer on the field whether it is Austin or Urban at 5th WR and looking like this:

QB: Romo Johnson
HB: Jones Barber Thompson
FB: Hoyte Anderson
TE: Witten Fasano Curtis
WR: Owens Glenn Crayton Hurd Stanback Austin/Urban
OT: Adams Columbo McQuistan Free Marten
G/C: Gurode Davis Kosier Proctor
DE: Spears Canty Hatcher Ratliff
DT: Ferguson Ayodele
OLB: Ware Ellis Spencer Glymph
ILB: Ayodele James Carpenter Burnett
CB: Newman Henry Glenn Reeves Thomas
S: Williams Hamlin Davis Watkins Brown
LS: Frenchy
P: McBriar
K: Folk, Grammatica

The only thing is if the kicking contest continues like it is there is no way we keep two. If that is the case it comes down to four of Moore, Obomese, Lang, Thomas, Jones, Austin, Urban, Bowen, Anderson, Polite, and Bergen.

Right off the top Obomese,Bergen, and Lang have done zilch. Not showing up much in camp and certainly not on gameday. Thomas skillset have to be more intrgiuing ovr Jones' but Jones is better on ST. Brown has good potential and can play two positions. Austin had a bad games but has shown improvement outside of that and plays well on several ST packages. Urban has been looking good in the Dome but other than muffing a punt hasnt shown anything on ST. Bowen played well at the end of last year and hasnt done anything so far this year. Anderson is strong at the point of attack is an adequate receiver and a ST ace. Polite is adequate at the point of attack, a good receiver for the position and an adequate ST player.

i cut Lang, Obomese, and Bergen because they arent very good. If i need help at OLB I look outside the organization.

I like Moore because hes a QB that shows promise which is a hot commodity in the NFL.

I like Austin and Anderson because they have the tools at the their position but even more important they excel on ST.

I like Brown because he has the meausrables that you drool for, has shown up making plays in practice and can play both S and CB. If he starts doing anything on ST this is a slam dunk.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

IIRC, there was an article about Romo's fastball speed last year that indicated that his arm was very strong--nearly Favre-ish. Anyone else remember that, or is it the liquor talking?

I think people discount arm strength from small school QBs that make it in the NFL because they think the big guns naturally go to the big schools. In actuality, it's probably the opposite that happens: NFL teams aren't going to bother looking at small-armed QBs from small schools, period.

It was from the Henson and Romo years and it basically said he threw the ball over 40+ mph or there abouts which was equivalent to a 90+ mph fastball.

it ranked his speed with other QBs like Favre and Elway and his speed was ranked favorably. Those two were better but not by much.

That article is the primary reason why i say his arm strength is underrated.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

TE: Witten Fasano Curtis

Unless Bergen performs a miracle it looks like this is Curtis' year. i love to see hard work and determination to pay off and after PS last year and NFLE this summer i am glad to see Curtis doing well. The first two are locks as long as Fasano's surgically repaired shoulder holds up. Get to practice on Tuesday Tony!!

I'll drink to that!

Nice post, Fuzzy, and hysterical thread title!:laugh2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'll drink to that!

Nice post, Fuzzy, and hysterical thread title!:laugh2:

Why thank you

 

[Crown Royal]

And I would say you underrate him. This my statement

IIRC, there was an article about Romo's fastball speed last year that indicated that his arm was very strong--nearly Favre-ish. Anyone else remember that, or is it the liquor talking?

I think people discount arm strength from small school QBs that make it in the NFL because they think the big guns naturally go to the big schools. In actuality, it's probably the opposite that happens: NFL teams aren't going to bother looking at small-armed QBs from small schools, period.

It was from the Henson and Romo years and it basically said he threw the ball over 40+ mph or there abouts which was equivalent to a 90+ mph fastball.

it ranked his speed with other QBs like Favre and Elway and his speed was ranked favorably. Those two were better but not by much.

That article is the primary reason why i say his arm strength is underrated.

Cool - then in practice he has used that strong arm. But his arm is not strong in games, and I have never seen it. He floats balls and doesn't put a ball on a rope on outs. He has never exhibited this Favre/Elway/Vick like arm strength in games.

I don't know why people get so defensive about his arm. So he isn't a Bledsoe arm. Big deal. As long as he makes good decisions and has a stronger arm then Johnson, then I'm happy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cool - then in practice he has used that strong arm. But his arm is not strong in games, and I have never seen it. He floats balls and doesn't put a ball on a rope on outs. He has never exhibited this Favre/Elway/Vick like arm strength in games.

I don't know why people get so defensive about his arm. So he isn't a Bledsoe arm. Big deal. As long as he makes good decisions and has a stronger arm then Johnson, then I'm happy.

Im not defensive i just watch him in games and come away with a different opinion. i do see him throw darts out there as well as touch passes.

 

[kmd24]

It was from the Henson and Romo years and it basically said he threw the ball over 40+ mph or there abouts which was equivalent to a 90+ mph fastball.

it ranked his speed with other QBs like Favre and Elway and his speed was ranked favorably. Those two were better but not by much.

I think it was from Romo's combine; his "fastball" was tops among QBs at the combine. I think it was around 56 mph whereas Favre/Elway were around 60 mph. Just from memory. Sorry, no link atm.