FWST Blog: Cowboy's New Strength Coach Lost Out To Deion In First Go-Round

[ChopBlock]

I expected nothing less when Switzer arrived. I told anyone who would listen that he was going to have success up front with Jimmy's players and then he was going to drive this team into Dante's Inferno with a slow descent into hell.

Barry was a cancer.

I fully agree. And we knew this after he was forced out of Oklahoma, yet this is who Jerry opted to turn the defending champions over to.
Anf then after it inevitably went downhill he opted for Gailey, who he gave no power to and ultimately undermined, and then he just went with Mr. Yes-man personified, Dave Campo.

But the blame lies solely with Jerry for intentionally not hiring a leader to be HC all those years, then undermining them and then not hiring a real GM which resulted in ruining the talent level on the field too.

And if that wasn't bad enough, he went back to that same formula the last four years with Wade. Main difference being Ciskowski is no Lacewell.

 

[Hostile]

I fully agree. And we knew this after he was forced out of Oklahoma, yet this is who Jerry opted to turn the defending champions over to.
Anf then after it inevitably went downhill he opted for Gailey, who he gave no power to and ultimately undermined, and then he just went with Mr. Yes-man personified, Dave Campo.

But the blame lies solely with Jerry for intentionally not hiring a leader to be HC all those years, then undermining them and then not hiring a real GM which resulted in ruining the talent level on the field too.

And if that wasn't bad enough, he went back to that same formula the last four years with Wade. Main difference being Ciskowski is no Lacewell.

Barry Switzer was an Assistant Coach on the Arkansas Razorbacks when Jimmy and Jerry played there. He was known to be a hard drinker. Jerry and Barry allegedly chased women together often.

After the team started having success Jerry let it go to his head big time. No different than a player suddenly having money and going off the deep end I suppose. Jerry respects Barry for his coaching. More than that he wanted his party buddy back.

He got it big time. The move even reunited Barry with his drinking buddy form his Oklahoma days, Larry Lacewell. Barry even stole Lacewell's wife while they worked together for the Cowboys and Lacewell let it happen.

Jimmy brought Lacewell here, Jimmy drinks, but Jimmy never let partying interfere with winning. The triumvirate of Jerry, Barry, and Larry did.

I have said many times the day I knew things would return to correct was when Jeff Ireland took over for Larry Lacewell and Parcells was soon hired. Ireland, Ciskowski, Stephen, and even Wade would stand up to Jerry and back him down. Barry and Larry never did.

I think right now, with Jason Garrett in charge and Ciskowski's grip on scouting this team is in the best shape it has been since that fateful drunken declaration of 500 worthy head coaches for this team.

 

[ChopBlock]

Barry Switzer was an Assistant Coach on the Arkansas Razorbacks when Jimmy and Jerry played there. He was known to be a hard drinker. Jerry and Barry allegedly chased women together often.

After the team started having success Jerry let it go to his head big time. No different than a player suddenly having money and going off the deep end I suppose. Jerry respects Barry for his coaching. More than that he wanted his party buddy back.

He got it big time. The move even reunited Barry with his drinking buddy form his Oklahoma days, Larry Lacewell. Barry even stole Lacewell's wife while they worked together for the Cowboys and Lacewell let it happen.

Jimmy brought Lacewell here, Jimmy drinks, but Jimmy never let partying interfere with winning. The triumvirate of Jerry, Barry, and Larry did.

I have said many times the day I knew things would return to correct was when Jeff Ireland took over for Larry Lacewell and Parcells was soon hired. Ireland, Ciskowski, Stephen, and even Wade would stand up to Jerry and back him down. Barry and Larry never did.

I think right now, with Jason Garrett in charge and Ciskowski's grip on scouting this team is in the best shape it has been since that fateful drunken declaration of 500 worthy head coaches for this team.

I fully agree about Jerry, Barry and Larry. Almost sounds like the Three Stooges.

Also agree the turning point was Lacewell leaving and a credible HC in BP finally being hired.

I do think though that Jerry had a little relapse when he hired Wade and then part of his staff.

But now I fully agree we are in the best shape staff-wise since Jimmy. I think Garrett is making the right moves and having full control of his staff is huge. Also really like the Ryan hire and what it could mean for the defense. And unlike BP, who was never going to stay more than 5 years, if successful, JG could become a mainstay in Dallas and we can stop this 3-4 year coaching turnover.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I fully agree about Jerry, Barry and Larry. Almost sounds like the Three Stooges.

Also agree the turning point was Lacewell leaving and a credible HC in BP finally being hired.

I do think though that Jerry had a little relapse when he hired Wade and then part of his staff.

But now I fully agree we are in the best shape staff-wise since Jimmy. I think Garrett is making the right moves and having full control of his staff is huge. Also really like the Ryan hire and what it could mean for the defense. And unlike BP, who was never going to stay more than 5 years, if successful, JG could become a mainstay in Dallas and we can stop this 3-4 year coaching turnover.

That is what I would have liked to see before he hired Phillips. Go young at HC and even Phillips as DC. If it was Garrett so be it. It just seems Jerry gambles at the wrong times. Who really thought Phillips was going to be a good HC? This team couldn't be further behind if he hired Garrett in the first place.

 

[Hostile]

I fully agree about Jerry, Barry and Larry. Almost sounds like the Three Stooges.

Also agree the turning point was Lacewell leaving and a credible HC in BP finally being hired.

I do think though that Jerry had a little relapse when he hired Wade and then part of his staff.

But now I fully agree we are in the best shape staff-wise since Jimmy. I think Garrett is making the right moves and having full control of his staff is huge. Also really like the Ryan hire and what it could mean for the defense. And unlike BP, who was never going to stay more than 5 years, if successful, JG could become a mainstay in Dallas and we can stop this 3-4 year coaching turnover.

I've wondered about it, but haven't seen anything to indicate it was like the three headed doofus days. Unlike Barry, Wade is a good NFL guy and he does have an eye for defensive talent. Like Barry he was a whatever Jerry says is fine with me kind of guy.

 

[links18]

Aikman agreed to restructure his contract to get the 35 million$ man on the team. Hard to believe it went to pot so quickly........

 

[jobberone]

I wrote not long ago that Deion was the best CB I've ever seen. There is Deion and then there are about six other CBs that are the best CBs to ever play.

Having said that there was an easy cure for Deion. If he didn't do as scheduled and others did then you sit him. Deion would have died sitting on the bench for even a series. He loves being Deion too much and being in the limelight.

I'd blame Deion for his shennanigans but I blame Jerry more for enabling him.

 

[casmith07]

quite possilby my favorite thing parcells did here was to keep old players out. Now on one hand I love seeing older players like staubach, pearson, walls, randy white being out there..

but that wasnt what it was about. it was about keeping out the influential troublemakers who could affect the current players like sanders and irvin.

nothing made me happier than listening to sanders complain back then when parcells was here. I just knew things were different and better.

No it wasn't, theebs. It was about Parcells doing things his way.

"Keep old players out."

Testaverde? Bledsoe? Keyshawn?

 

[noshame]

It all means one thing to me, Jerry has let go, we'll win now, and win big.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

No it wasn't, theebs. It was about Parcells doing things his way.

"Keep old players out."

Testaverde? Bledsoe? Keyshawn?

I think he was talking about Cowboy players being at practice and such.

 

[theebs]

No it wasn't, theebs. It was about Parcells doing things his way.

"Keep old players out."

Testaverde? Bledsoe? Keyshawn?

umm old cowboys players, not old players defined by age.

old as in retired hangerons who need current players drama to keep them important.

 

[speedkilz88]

umm old cowboys players, not old players defined by age.

old as in retired hangerons who need current players drama to keep them important.

Parcells did bring in some of his old players and had an invitation to LT but LT never showed.

 

[theebs]

Parcells did bring in some of his old players and had an invitation to LT but LT never showed.

yep. Again, not my point.

 

[speedkilz88]

yep. Again, not my point.

LT doesn't fit under the influential troublemaker umbrella?

 

[theebs]

LT doesn't fit under the influential troublemaker umbrella?

not with players. He is a criminal that hurts himself.

I dont recall anytime him ever starting drama between players to promote himself on tv.

and most importantly he didnt know anyone here and especially none of our players and he didnt live here.

The guys who did come in like banks and burt were just showing guys stuff at camp and then they left and really didnt care.

point was when he took over he knew that was a problem here with all of this outside influence and it could affect the locker room.

so he put it out there that camp was closed to anyone not involved in the teams operations.

 

[Clove]

Theebs,
Your boys Irvin, Nate, the pot head Center Stepnowski (sp?) and Haley to name a few, were WAY WORSE. IF YOU THINK BEING A DIVA PLAYER IS WORSE THAN DOING ILLEGAL DRUGS, PISSING ON CARS, RUNNING A ***** HOUSE , then it's useless ever reading anything you have to say.

The worse Cowboy ever is Jerry Jones. Anyone who puts his ego in front of this rich tradition, and for the good of the organization is A VERY BAD MAN.

 

[theebs]

Your boys Irvin, Nate, the pot head Center Stepnowski (sp?) and Haley to name a few, were WAY WORSE. IF YOU THINK BEING A DIVA PLAYER IS WORSE THAN DOING ILLEGAL DRUGS, PISSING ON CARS, RUNNING A ***** HOUSE , then it's useless ever reading anything you have to say.

The worse Cowboy ever is Jerry Jones. Anyone who puts his ego in front of this rich tradition, and for the good of the organization is A VERY BAD MAN.

Thats a different kind of bad. That is bad, as a human being that is stuff that is just not that smart and illegal.

But those guys busted their tails on the field and off the field when it came to football.

outside of football, yea crappy. But that is a different thing and that list is a pretty long one for not only the cowboys but every team.

The deions of the world destroy locker rooms and taint the viewpoint of your organization. Once you get a disease like that in your room you are in trouble.

oh and for the record, I am not a fan of nate and irvin.

if you dont want to read anything I ever say fine. Put me on ignore.

 

[links18]

Theebs,
Your boys Irvin, Nate, the pot head Center Stepnowski (sp?) and Haley to name a few, were WAY WORSE. IF YOU THINK BEING A DIVA PLAYER IS WORSE THAN DOING ILLEGAL DRUGS, PISSING ON CARS, RUNNING A ***** HOUSE , then it's useless ever reading anything you have to say.

The worse Cowboy ever is Jerry Jones. Anyone who puts his ego in front of this rich tradition, and for the good of the organization is A VERY BAD MAN.

Wasn't it Parcells' player Terry Glenn who pissed on a car?

 

[Randy White]

who knew anything about college football knew what Switzer was all about and why 99.9% of the Cowboys fans knew what was coming and weren't happy about it.

About the thing with Deion and Wocik, there's a fine line that sometimes get blury. Wocik might be good at what he does, but he didn't make Deion what he was. There are, at times, freaks of nature that you just shake your head and wonder why the Gods of sports were good to them and not to others who probably deserve it more..

Want an example ? here's one: How would Wocik had handled the beer drinking, hot dog eating, cigar smoking, overweight freak of nature named Babe Ruth ? Who in here would have picked Wocik over Ruth ?

Deion Sanders said something, stepped on the field, and did it. I don't know how much weight he lifted, how many miles, sprints and gazzards he ran, or how much film he studied. Whatever he was doing, it was working, and that's something that Wocik has absolutely NO reason or right to mess with, so in that sense, Switzer was correct.

Now, that doesn't mean that what applies to Deion, should apply to the rest of the roster. The " great Jimmah Jenius ", long adored in here by many, used that same exact philosophy. It's not a democracy and it's not fair. What applies to Michael Irvin, does not necessariy apply to John Roper. What applies to Troy Aikman, does not necessariy apply to Curvin Richards, and so on. The key is to find the right formula where even though it's not fair, it's acceptable by players and that formula starts with winning.

 

[theebs]

Wasn't it Parcells' player Terry Glenn who pissed on a car?

glenn got caught taking a wiz in the alley outside of a bar, I think in the offseason going into 07. Pretty sure he is referring to haley doing that to an assistant coaches car though!