FWST Blog: Dan Reeves Speaks

[Shake_Tiller]

No question that Owens is on the downside of his career. None.

But if you want to take away the 200 yard game, be sure to take away his having no chance for success with a 78-year old rag-armed quarterback incapable of playing at the NFL level.

To be fair.

I think there's a good record of evidence to go by to determine what part of this equation has proven capable of doing their jobs - without outside help - and what part of the equation has not.

No argument. You have to throw out those Johnson games. Owens had little or no chance. But take a look at the season, and disregard both the SF game and the games in which Romo was out. I think you'll find that Owens still had a spotty record.

It wouldn't be a huge negative if not for the fact that Owens is expected to be (and expects to be) the number one guy, the superstar. I don't think he's that guy anymore.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

The part that would surprise me would be that Garrett could somehow prevent Jerry from hiring Reeves if he truly wanted to.

Exactly.

 

[khiladi]

You really think Garrett is here because of the money? Jerry's never been crippled by spending. Wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of Garrett if he is the problem--despite the economic hit (as some people are saying we should do with Owens)? If the problem is easily identified, it should be cut out no matter what the economic ramifications are.

3 million dollars for nothing, I don't know.. That's a big bite to take... I think Jerry was banking on Garrett getting the head coaching job with the Rams.

Maybe there was contractual stipulations in Garrett's contract regarding the Assistant Head Coach position, who knows... Maybe the contract gave full right for Garrett to make his decisions in personnel as it relates to offense...

Funny thing is, if it was Garrett that wanted Capers to help Stewart run the defense, the latest information would smack of what goes around comes around...

 

[khiladi]

The part that would surprise me would be that Garrett could somehow prevent Jerry from hiring Reeves if he truly wanted to.

Like I said, what does Garrett have on Jerry Jones? Mind-boggling...

 

[Stash]

No argument. You have to throw out those Johnson games. Owens had little or no chance. But take a look at the season, and disregard both the SF game and the games in which Romo was out. I think you'll find that Owens still had a spotty record.

It wouldn't be a huge negative if not for the fact that Owens is expected to be (and expects to be) the number one guy, the superstar. I don't think he's that guy anymore.

But then we go back to the coordinator argument.

I saw clear examples of Todd Haley designing routes to enable Fitzgerald to get open, despite the fact that every defense was trying to double him.

Crossing routes, trips formations, things like that. Heck, even a few 'pick' plays thrown in.

Haley schemed to free up Fitzgerald. Look at the Super Bowl as well. Pittsburgh contained Fitz for most of the game, but Haley keep changing things up and eventually got Larry loose. And the Cards nearly pulled off the upset as a result.

I never saw the same play design or innovation from Garrett's offense this season.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

But then we go back to the coordinator argument.

I saw clear examples of Todd Haley designing routes to enable Fitzgerald to get open, despite the fact that every defense was trying to double him.

Crossing routes, trips formations, things like that. Heck, even a few 'pick' plays thrown in.

Haley schemed to free up Fitzgerald. Look at the Super Bowl as well. Pittsburgh contained Fitz for most of the game, but Haley keep changing things up and eventually got Larry loose. And the Cards nearly pulled off the upset as a result.

I never saw the same play design or innovation from Garrett's offense this season.

I agree with you, to some degree. I don't think Garrett was sufficiently imaginative. But I'll say something else... the best way to get a WR free is to get him some slants, and while Owens called for those, made noise about them, his armsw went to alligator whenever he ran them. That's a pretty good recipe for INTs.

 

[Iago33]

Like I said, what does Garrett have on Jerry Jones? Mind-boggling...

Doesn't that suggest that there's more to the story?

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Doesn't that suggest that there's more to the story?

Indeed so, sir.

 

[khiladi]

Doesn't that suggest that there's more to the story?

True.. I think money is part of it though.. We have no knowledge the extent of the contractual stipulations in Garrett's contract, which also gave him the Assistant Head Coach title.

I have officially decided this was one of the worst decisions made by Jerry Jones in the history of the franchise, hiring the OC before the head coach and further, solidifying Garrett's position based upon such limited experience...

Amazing how Wade has kept his mouth shut during this whole fiasco, especially during the season.... The guy got ragged on all season long for being soft, and he never really lashed out at all the accusations... Hell, he even got ragged on for practices and the lack of discipline on the offensive side of the ball, and he simply said he'd seek advice from people he respects on how to change things.

 

[newlander]

On and On it goes...where it stops nobody knows....least of all JJ. What a friggin' mess he continues to create. The cruelest twist will be when Garrett and the offense put up BIG numbers this year and he leaves to be HC somewhere else. Lots of people on this board don't think that can happen but I really think it can: and if Romo, Felix, MB3, and the line stay healthy....it will.

 

[khiladi]

On and On it goes...where it stops nobody knows....least of all JJ. What a friggin' mess he continues to create. The cruelest twist will be when Garrett and the offense put up BIG numbers this year and he leaves to be HC somewhere else. Lots of people on this board don't think that can happen but I really think it can: and if Romo, Felix, MB3, and the line stay healthy....it will.

Good for his health, but any competent OC can put up big numbers with THIS offense... SO I'd rather take the chance with somebody else...

BTW, Choice wasn't playing bad, was he? He was the only rusher I believe to carry the ball over 100 yards against the Steelers... what made Garrett go away from using him? Romo missed three games and they only needed one win to make the play-offs...

 

[Hostile]

I have no problems being disagreed with.

It's when people can't provide any substance to their position that I have a problem.

We continue to get the group that annoints Garrett because of what they hope he becomes rather than what he actually is.

Well, so much for substance to a position. That didn't take long.

 

[Hostile]

Why would I need to?

Who draws up the plays?

The Golden Boy, that's who!

Todd Haley is drawing stuff up to get his best playmaker free from coverages, despite the fact that everyone knows who that playmaker is.

Garrett is incapable of doing the same.

The only other possibility is that big, bad TO is running his own routes out there and poor Jason is somehow powerless to stop him.

Does that sound more plausible to you?

No. It sounds like a cop out to me. The idea that any OC instructs his players to run into double coverage is just beyond description to me.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I guess the cat finally farted.

 

[Stash]

Well, so much for substance to a position. That didn't take long.

Yeah, this from the guy who says when Garrett becomes a great coach, not if...

 

[Stash]

No. It sounds like a cop out to me. The idea that any OC instructs his players to run into double coverage is just beyond description to me.

Yeah.

It's a cop out.

You believe that Owens is simply doing it on his own.

It doesn't change things.

When players from other teams are publicly stating how simplistic Garrett's offense is, that should tell you all you need to know about its' lack of 'complexity'.

Maybe Garrett should give Haley a call for some advice?

 

[khiladi]

Yeah.

It's a cop out.

You believe that Owens is simply doing it on his own.

It doesn't change things.

When players from other teams are publicly stating how simplistic Garrett's offense is, that should tell you all you need to know about its' lack of 'complexity'.

Maybe Garrett should give Haley a call for some advice?

Don't worry Stash.. Dan Reeves said it all..

Reeves again mentioned how busy Jones is with promoting his new stadium, which he said he would have been excited to get involved with. The three-time NFL head coach said he would've likely devoted most of his football-related attention to the offensive side of the ball, working with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, but also lend his opinion on personnel matters. He spent two-and-a-half days working with the offensive staff, and said he watched several tapes, with his eye on the running game in particular.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Yeah.

It's a cop out.

You believe that Owens is simply doing it on his own.

It doesn't change things.

When players from other teams are publicly stating how simplistic Garrett's offense is, that should tell you all you need to know about its' lack of 'complexity'.

Maybe Garrett should give Haley a call for some advice?

Doesn't really matter how simplistic an offense is, its all about how well its executed.

This offense was so simplistic that the great Jim Johnson held it to 41 points in September.

As far as Ed Reed and Ray Lewis calling the offense simplistic, if it was so easy to disect why did no one cover Miles Austin 30 yards down field in that final game at Texas Stadium? If the play is properly executed, either by Romo throwing the ball accurately or Austin taking a proper angle (whoever you blame), that's a long td.

Another point made ad nauseum: Can you take anything Reed and Lewis say about Garrett's offense seriously? Is it possible those guys simply wanted to stick it to Garrett since he turned down the Baltimore job?

I don't buy the offense is simple accusations, and if it is who cares? Execution always carries the day. I don't see why Jason Garrett gets so much criticism. Does he deserve some? Sure, there was suspect play calling and use of personnel - look no further than Felix Jones lack of touches in the first Skins game, but I'm not ready to throw away a 42 year old OC that has interviewed for 5 head coaching positions the last 2 offseasons. Obviously, Garrett has some respect in league circles.

 

[khiladi]

Doesn't really matter how simplistic an offense is, its all about how well its executed.

This offense was so simplistic that the great Jim Johnson held it to 41 points in September.

As far as Ed Reed and Ray Lewis calling the offense simplistic, if it was so easy to disect why did no one cover Miles Austin 30 yards down field in that final game at Texas Stadium? If the play is properly executed, either by Romo throwing the ball accurately or Austin taking a proper angle (whoever you blame), that's a long td.

Another point made ad nauseum: Can you take anything Reed and Lewis say about Garrett's ofense seriously? Is it possible those guys simply wanted to stick it to Garrett since he turned down the Baltimore job?

I don't buy the offense is simple accusations, and if it is who cares? Execution always carries the day. I don't see why Jason Garrett gets so much criticism. Does he deerve some? Sure, there was suspect play calling and use of personnel - look no further than Felix Jones lack of touches in the first Skins game, but I'm not ready to throw away a 42 year old OC that has interviewed for 5 head coaching positions the last 2 offseasons. Obviously, Garrett has some respect in league circles.

Ah OK... If it was all about execution, why didn't we just hand the ball to our fullback Deion Anderson every play and march down the field and score a TD at will?

Why did the same Jim Johnson shut that offense down the second time we played them? Maybe because JJ figrued out how easy it was to stop Garrett...

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Doesn't really matter how simplistic an offense is, its all about how well its executed.

This offense was so simplistic that the great Jim Johnson held it to 41 points in September.

As far as Ed Reed and Ray Lewis calling the offense simplistic, if it was so easy to disect why did no one cover Miles Austin 30 yards down field in that final game at Texas Stadium? If the play is properly executed, either by Romo throwing the ball accurately or Austin taking a proper angle (whoever you blame), that's a long td.

Another point made ad nauseum: Can you take anything Reed and Lewis say about Garrett's ofense seriously? Is it possible those guys simply wanted to stick it to Garrett since he turned down the Baltimore job?

I don't buy the offense is simple accusations, and if it is who cares? Execution always carries the day. I don't see why Jason Garrett gets so much criticism. Does he deerve some? Sure, there was suspect play calling and use of personnel - look no further than Felix Jones lack of touches in the first Skins game, but I'm not ready to throw away a 42 year old OC that has interviewed for 5 head coaching positions the last 2 offseasons. Obviously, Garrett has some respect in league circles.

This is just an absolutely outstanding post.