Galloway and "Source" on Garrett

[Doomsday101]

If, "IF" this is true, then either Owens or Garrett needs to get their walking papers. I truth, I don't really blame Owens, since he is simply doing what he has always done (and many WR's before him). But if Garrett is actually bending over backwards to get him and that other overpaid and yet non-productive wide-out more looks, then the damage has already been done.

In 2009, from the start, they should open up the WR position for competition and let the most productive players win out. I'm sure Owens would still come out on top, but I'm not as sold on Roy holding off Crayton and Austin.

Come to think of it, they should do every position this way, regardless of pay-scale, because there were several "back-ups" that looked like they were playing with more passion than the starters this year.

I think if this is true Garrett needs to take more charge of the situation. I think Garrett is a young bright coach who can figure this out.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Is there an assumption here that Garrett has the power to take charge of the situation? I'm not saying he doesn't. I am saying there is legitimate reason to question whether he does. I wonder if Garrett has more influence than Drew Rosenhaus?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't believe the problems Garrett had play calling have a thing to do with people wanting the ball. They wanted the ball cause his scheme and choice of plays sucked.

The guy simply didn't come up with good offensive gameplans. It was pointed out, more than once, how simple to figure out his scheme was. I don't even want to hear some unnamed source trying to save face for Garrett.

He sucked at his job and that's the bottom line.

I don't recall other good coaches in history, with talented offenses, having these issues. The Niners always seemed to do a great job of getting the ball to their guys despite having Craig/Waters, Rathman, Brent Jones, Rice/Taylor who could all make plays.

The Cowboys, under Norv, had to get the ball in the hands of Emmitt, Irvin, Jay, Harper, and Martin and they never had trouble coming up with plans that would get the ball in the hands of their players.

Martz had to get Bruce, Holt, Faulk, and the rest of the Greatest Show on Turf the ball and he didn't have issue doing that. Now he's sucked every since then but at least with that group he never had trouble.

So, yeah, I don't want to hear that BS about how the players kept Garrett from being able to come up with good game plans.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If you lets your players egos dictate how you call a game than you're not a good coach and you're never going to be one unless you're coaching a bunch of robots.

This staff has it all wrong, it's like their constantly trying to prove them selves to the players when it should be the other way around

Very true. Although I trust Galloway's sources about as much as I trust Mr. Blue Suit's 'sources.'

And the statement is stupid anyway. He's not "over his head", but his playcalling is dictated by players demanding the ball? A bit contradictory if you ask me because that sounds EXACTLY like a coach that is in over his head.

Personally, I think it's all hogwash. I don't think he's in over his head and I don't think players demands for the ball are dictating his playcalling because I almost never hear Witten demanding the ball and the ball is thrown to him a lot. I think it's part of the growing pains that you tend to go through with an inexperienced O-Coordinator. I actually expected this last year, but it took until this year for it to happen. The big question is whether or not Garrett can adapt.





YAKUZA

 

[AbeBeta]

There was CLEARLY an issue with forcing the ball to guys.

Honestly, this isn't a TO issue as I see it. Players want the ball. Always have and always will. The issue is Jerry coming out and supporting those statements - he wants the ball to go to TO and we start forcing that. Last week he talked about how we need to get the ball to RW and we start forcing that.

Unfortuntately the players know if they complain that the owner will back them up.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

There was CLEARLY an issue with forcing the ball to guys.

Honestly, this isn't a TO issue as I see it. Players want the ball. Always have and always will. The issue is Jerry coming out and supporting those statements - he wants the ball to go to TO and we start forcing that. Last week he talked about how we need to get the ball to RW and we start forcing that.

Unfortuntately the players know if they complain that the owner will back them up.

I think this is awfully accurate.

 

[iceberg]

This made for an interesting discussion on Galloway and Co. He said he spoke with someone "who would know" the deal with Garrett. Galloway asked the "source" str8 up if Garrett was in over his head. The "source" thought the question was ridiculous. He went in to say that Garrett is NOT in over his head but his major problem is his playcalling. The "source" says that Garrett is letting the player's demand for the ball dictate his playcalling instead of letting the situation dictate the playcalling. This too, imo, is an indictment of Garrett. I'm one of the Terrell Owens backers but I would support letting him go if that is what it would take to get this offense into gear. Either that need to happen or Garrett need to tell Owens, Witten, Williams, and Crayton to shut their mouths and if they get open, they"ll get the ball! If Wade and Garrett are staying, this needs to get nipped in the bud.

this would make sense. it would also make sense for a young coach to give up too much to try and make people happy. i would think after this year he learned how that can so easily backfire.

this learning process we just went through i want to pay off, not let someone else benefit from it. that's why i wanna keep garrett. if he never changes, i'm wrong. but we know him to be smart. smart people figure things out. if we trusted him a year ago we need to stand by him now and hope he does get the experience he needs to do better next time.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't know why I am wading knowingly into this muck except that I consider Randy Galloway a friend, and I feel a need to defend my friends when they are under constant attack. At the risk of being called on this forum "a holiday cancer" for the second time in a week...

Galloway has plenty of sources, and they are extremely credible. Those sources include most everyone in the Cowboys hierarchy, all the way to the top. I'm not speculating to say that he can call anyone at any time -- or anyone who matters -- and he will get a return phone call very quickly. Very quickly.

I don't agree with everything Galloway writes, but he has a basis. If he cites a source, then the source is real and credible. Very likely, if you knew the identity of the source, you would be surprised. The top of that organization will talk to Galloway. They might disagree with him, but they will talk to him.

Besides all of this, are we not getting a bit weary of blasting writers and TV reporters only to discover that they were accurate?

Exactly.

I heard this yesterday, and why isn't it believable? There had to be some plausible reason why Garrett threw the ball so much.

They have to try to get TO the ball or he'll freak. And you can't just tell him to shut up -- look how that worked for McNabb.

But I can't believe all the people who think these reporters simply make things up. They don't do that. Why would they?

Back to the Werder thing, you could tell it was pretty much true when Brad Sham and Larry Brown were talking about it on one of their 760 shows. Sham said Werder had three independent sources who verified it. And you could tell Sham knew it was true, anyway. He probably knows what all goes on inside Valley Ranch as anyone.

Even Steve Dennis said yesterday that he thought TO was the source of the broken locker room that's developed over the last year or so, and he's always been a TO supporter.

Jerry could fix this if he'd just do what's right, but I'm sure he doesn't have it in him.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

But just to add... Owens is much more dramatic about his need for the ball than is typical, even for today's "diva" wideouts. All of us who have played team sports know that "drama" is distracting at best, corrosive at worst.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

This is why I think having Terrell Owens around gets to become a headache.

I think if you have a guy like Norv Turner, who has skins on the wall, he would be able to handle someone like Terrell Owens.

A young and unproven Offensive Coordinator such as Jason Garrett will only get eaten alive by Terrell Owens.

If he is indeed letting his players dictate the playcalling, he IS in over his head.

 

[Pick6TerenceNewman]

This made for an interesting discussion on Galloway and Co. He said he spoke with someone "who would know" the deal with Garrett. Galloway asked the "source" str8 up if Garrett was in over his head. The "source" thought the question was ridiculous. He went in to say that Garrett is NOT in over his head but his major problem is his playcalling. The "source" says that Garrett is letting the player's demand for the ball dictate his playcalling instead of letting the situation dictate the playcalling. This too, imo, is an indictment of Garrett. I'm one of the Terrell Owens backers but I would support letting him go if that is what it would take to get this offense into gear. Either that need to happen or Garrett need to tell Owens, Witten, Williams, and Crayton to shut their mouths and if they get open, they"ll get the ball! If Wade and Garrett are staying, this needs to get nipped in the bud.

Garrett is over his head.... without Tony Sparano he is over his head!

 

[percyhoward]

I would think this was fairly obvious.

It's not the first time it's been mentioned, is it.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Exactly.

I heard this yesterday, and why isn't it believable? There had to be some plausible reason why Garrett threw the ball so much.

They have to try to get TO the ball or he'll freak. And you can't just tell him to shut up -- look how that worked for McNabb.

But I can't believe all the people who think these reporters simply make things up. They don't do that. Why would they?

Back to the Werder thing, you could tell it was pretty much true when Brad Sham and Larry Brown were talking about it on one of their 760 shows. Sham said Werder had three independent sources who verified it. And you could tell Sham knew it was true, anyway. He probably knows what all goes on inside Valley Ranch as anyone.

Even Steve Dennis said yesterday that he thought TO was the source of the broken locker room that's developed over the last year or so, and he's always been a TO supporter.

Jerry could fix this if he'd just do what's right, but I'm sure he doesn't have it in him.

The truth is that reporters almost always know more than folks want to admit. In one way or another, I have been in the media for more than 30 years. I don't like much of what it has become. I don't defend much of what I see. But I do understand how things work. And I don't believe these guys are making this stuff up. I don't believe it, and if it were true, I think you would see Cowboys management raise the issue much, much more strongly.

The thing about Owens... he has a track record. There is a reason he is even a member of the Cowboys. Folks seem to forget that reason... or that Dallas was bidding against itself, nobody else for his services.

I don't think it's all Owens' fault. I think it's a shame that he catches some undeserved crticism. But the fact is, he is a major distraction. He has always been a major distraction. It's reality.

 

[5Countem5]

I don't know why I am wading knowingly into this muck except that I consider Randy Galloway a friend, and I feel a need to defend my friends when they are under constant attack. At the risk of being called on this forum "a holiday cancer" for the second time in a week...

Galloway has plenty of sources, and they are extremely credible. Those sources include most everyone in the Cowboys hierarchy, all the way to the top. I'm not speculating to say that he can call anyone at any time -- or anyone who matters -- and he will get a return phone call very quickly. Very quickly.

I don't agree with everything Galloway writes, but he has a basis. If he cites a source, then the source is real and credible. Very likely, if you knew the identity of the source, you would be surprised. The top of that organization will talk to Galloway. They might disagree with him, but they will talk to him.

Besides all of this, are we not getting a bit weary of blasting writers and TV reporters only to discover that they were accurate?

Randy freakin' Galloway is the biggest Cowboy hater in Texas. His agenda is always to paint the absolute worst picture of the organization. Nothing is ever good and his bias is renowned.

Now, his shtick is too compete with JFE to see who can write the biggest insult.


He's a joke and if anyone believes anything that idiot writes- they need his head examined.

 

[5Countem5]

I don't think it's all Owens' fault. I think it's a shame that he catches some undeserved crticism. But the fact is, he is a major distraction. He has always been a major distraction. It's reality.

So you know for a fact that TO "distracts" players on the Cowboys and this distraction causes them to underperform? You KNOW this?

How?

 

[percyhoward]

There had to be some plausible reason why Garrett threw the ball so much.

Exactly.

 

[5Countem5]

Exactly.

Did Andy Reid throw the ball so much this year to keep TO happy? How about Arizona?

Wait, that doesn't make any more sense than applying that standard to Garrett...Nevermind.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

So you know for a fact that TO "distracts" players on the Cowboys and this distraction causes them to underperform? You KNOW this?

How?

Nope. I don't "know" this. I believe this to be an opinion forum. It's an opinion. That's all. I do know the 49ers wanted rid of Owens, and the Eagles wanted rid of Owens. I do know there were no serious bidders competing for his services when he was a free agent -- only Jerry Jones.

If you believe Randy Galloway is an idiot, that's your right. I don't agree. I do understand why he boils folks' blood. I have strongly disagreed with stuff he has written. I have also seen and heard proof of his abilities as a reporter and of his wide range of contacts. I don't need to listen to anyone else on that point. I have seen it first hand.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't know why I am wading knowingly into this muck except that I consider Randy Galloway a friend, and I feel a need to defend my friends when they are under constant attack. At the risk of being called on this forum "a holiday cancer" for the second time in a week...

Galloway has plenty of sources, and they are extremely credible. Those sources include most everyone in the Cowboys hierarchy, all the way to the top. I'm not speculating to say that he can call anyone at any time -- or anyone who matters -- and he will get a return phone call very quickly. Very quickly.

I don't agree with everything Galloway writes, but he has a basis. If he cites a source, then the source is real and credible. Very likely, if you knew the identity of the source, you would be surprised. The top of that organization will talk to Galloway. They might disagree with him, but they will talk to him.

Besides all of this, are we not getting a bit weary of blasting writers and TV reporters only to discover that they were accurate?

Save your breath.

Many of these guys have never talked to a player about the game, don't know how the real world works, let alone journalism, don't know anything about cultivating sources, etc.

To them, it's all made up. Let them live in their world of denial.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Save your breath.

Many of these guys have never talked to a player about the game, don't know how the real world works, let alone journalism, don't know anything about cultivating sources, etc.

To them, it's all made up. Let them live in their world of denial.

It would be interesting, some time, if folks could see one of these guys' cell phone records. I think they would be absolutely astonished.