Garrett Addresses Clock Management On Final Scoring Drive vs. Packers

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Having 3rd and 3 after getting stuffed would have also made me nervous.

I'm slogging through this whole thread but it comes down to this play. Being nervous is fine. I would have been nervous too. But we have two shots to get that 3 yards. I'll take those odds.

Handing the ball back to Rodgers with over a minute left didn't make me nervous at all. There was zero drama in what was going to happen. As I said in another thread I wasn't even the tiny bit excited when Dak scored.

There was literally zero chance the defense was going to stop Rodgers. And yes, a defense should have a shot at a stop there. And maybe in two months things will be different. But right now, there was absolutely no way GB wasn't scoring a TD on that last drive. Given the state of the team anyone who doesn't think we should have just run until the clock read 0 in that situation is not seeing things clearly. No RPO, just runs, until at least < 20 seconds left.
 

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What?

The run or pass option given to Prescott isn't predicated on the clock or time. It's simply about recognizing the defense that the Packers are playing and Prescott optioning to either a run or pass based on how the Packers will defend him. The option has nothing to do with Prescott being given the option to run or pass based on how he wants the clock to run.

That's why it's the play callers' fault. If you don't want the QB to potentially throw and stop the clock, then you don't call a play where Prescott has the option to change a play into a pass simply based on whether or not the Packers line up a certain way on defense.

By giving Prescott that play, he did in fact basically tell Prescott if Dez is one on one, option to the fade and throw it.
fundamentally this is true but as you i and look back into the past he was given the option to run or keep the ball, maybe it was assumed he wouldnt try to throw it.
has Dak spoken about that play?
 

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Also it was very unlikely
I'm slogging through this whole thread but it comes down to this play. Being nervous is fine. I would have been nervous too. But we have two shots to get that 3 yards. I'll take those odds.

Handing the ball back to Rodgers with over a minute left didn't make me nervous at all. There was zero drama in what was going to happen. As I said in another thread I wasn't even the tiny bit excited when Dak scored.

There was literally zero chance the defense was going to stop Rodgers. And yes, a defense should have a shot at a stop there. And maybe in two months things will be different. But right now, there was absolutely no way GB wasn't scoring a TD on that last drive. Given the state of the team anyone who doesn't think we should have just run until the clock read 0 in that situation is not seeing things clearly. No RPO, just runs, until at least < 20 seconds left.

If David Irving finishes the tackle on the scramble game may be over so no it wasn’t a definite that it was over like everyone keeps saying.
 

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fundamentally this is true but as you i and look back into the past he was given the option to run or keep the ball, maybe it was assumed he wouldnt try to throw it.
has Dak spoken about that play?

So if the coaches assumed he wouldn't throw it because he ignored other run pass option plays earlier, then that's some bizarre thinking on the part of the staff, and again, would be their mistake, not Prescott's.
 

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the only reason the cowboys were in these last two games is that dak Prescott was playing really well he carried them he is playing the best on this team there is lots of blame to go around from the coaches the players but he is not one of them
 

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Also it was very unlikely


If David Irving finishes the tackle on the scramble game may be over so no it wasn’t a definite that it was over like everyone keeps saying.

You know the saying - and if my aunt had....

He didn't finish, and this defense rarely does. I call it the almost defense. It's always almost. And ok, you got me. The odds weren't zero that we'd get a stop. But they were very, very close. So close that I literally didn't even cheer when Dak scored. I would have been shocked had GB not scored a TD.

If we meet them again in the playoffs and give Rodgers 1:13 and a timeout up by three, I would place a fairly large wager we'd get the same result.
 

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So if the coaches assumed he wouldn't throw it because he ignored other run pass option plays earlier, then that's some bizarre thinking on the part of the staff, and again, would be their mistake, not Prescott's.
its just terminology we are debating.
he passed instead of running
who is to blame? what was the call was it a read option or not. when someone has the answer then well know
but either way Dak will be fine. a shame that wasnt the last points scored because the praise for him would be front page
instead of Rodgers
but thats life
 

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I call it the almost defense. It's always almost..

lol you remember the 8-8 cardiac Cowboys
several games decided by less than 3 points
theres a reason the timeline looks like a heart monitor!

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lol
 

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That's dumb. You have to score. Imagine if we downed it on the 1 and failed to get it in. You guys would be having a field day.

OK, that explains not sliding at the one (which I agree would have been dumb).

But what about calling a fade on 2nd and 2?

Shoot, even Aikman was completely puzzled by the call.
 

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OK, that explains not sliding at the one (which I agree would have been dumb).

But what about calling a fade on 2nd and 2?

Shoot, even Aikman was completely puzzled by the call.
you are saying the fade was called
that Aikman of course in his vet wisdom sees the mistake but that Linehan is to inexperienced or stupid? to know
i think thats why it looks clearly like Daks inexperience caught him there
he was in a groove driving the field and in the moment went for the kill but it was the wrong time and of course choice
 

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what if 2nd and 3rd had been flipped and they did Read option on 2nd. Would you be screaming for Dak not to score? The incomplete pass had maybe 0.025% to do with losing.

OK, that explains not sliding at the one (which I agree would have been dumb).

But what about calling a fade on 2nd and 2?

Shoot, even Aikman was completely puzzled by the call.
 

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That's dumb. You have to score. Imagine if we downed it on the 1 and failed to get it in. You guys would be having a field day.

We're having a field day because Rodgers did what we all knew Rodgers was gonna do. At least if they stuff us 4 times from the one you have the defensible argument that we put the outcome of the game in the hands of the "best" OL in the league and stud RB. I'd MUCH rather have lost in that way.

And it's not hindsight since I said those exact words after Dak scored. Anyone who didn't know we were going to lose at that point needs to call me about some land I have to lease just this side of the GW Bridge. You can make a fortune on the tolls.
 

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8 yd run on first down, so, hey, let's try to throw a pass! we will 100 % score and if not, the clock still goes, right?

unreal...the run game was beating up GB, Zeke gets 8 yds on first down, RUN THE BALL, get the first down, the clock runs...punch it in one or two plays later with 30 seconds left

#FireGarrett
#Garrettisdumb

Well that's great and I am sure if Garrett was guaranteed that outcome, he would have done just that. The problem is, he or any other coach, don't have the luxury of seeing what will happen on the next play. You call the play that you think gives you the best chance to score. Bleeding clock is the not the priority there, it's scoring. And if you can bleed the clock while doing so, great, but you can't just assume you will score at will. You take your shot when you can. If they had called a run play, and lost 4 or 5 yards on it, like they did a few times earlier in the game, and we are now looking at 3rd and 7 or so and then fail to get the 1st down and settle for a FG, you would be complaining that he played to tie and not to win.
 

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Well that's great and I am sure if Garrett was guaranteed that outcome, he would have done just that. The problem is, he or any other coach, don't have the luxury of seeing what will happen on the next play. You call the play that you think gives you the best chance to score. Bleeding clock is the not the priority there, it's scoring. And if you can bleed the clock while doing so, great, but you can't just assume you will score at will. You take your shot when you can. If they had called a run play, and lost 4 or 5 yards on it, like they did a few times earlier in the game, and we are now looking at 3rd and 7 or so and then fail to get the 1st down and settle for a FG, you would be complaining that he played to tie and not to win.

You are 100% wrong, when you take all factors into consideration in that moment, down and distance, time on clock, timeout situation, and how you've been running the ball, and the score, the play there is clearly to go for the first down. At the very least you run the ball, if they part the red Sea and let you score, so be it.

Look at it this way, if you're a packer fan and you're watching that, you want us to score asap so Rodgers can get it back only down 3.
 

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At the end of the day the problems with this team start with the owner...he likes yes men...Jones is not a leader, true leaders don’t need yes men, they want people who challenge them and are visionary...

And nothing would change with his kid in charge...until Jones looks out from his private box and see’s a half empty stadium at Jerry world...nothing will change, he only understands money...which is why I refuse to purchase any more cowboy merchandise...

If Jones cannot/will not admit he’s the biggest problem then why would we expect our coaches to admit their short comings.

Just poor leadership all around...complete lack of accountability...
^^^^^ x 1000000. This did not happen overnight people. This culture has been built and has been firmly in place for a LONG time. Anybody that wins in Dallas will have to do it in spite of Jerry. And Jason has already been here too long without winning...and subsequently the culture has enveloped him...and we are not winning with Jason. As much as it pains me to say this, Jerry will ALWAYS be Jerry. Someone will have to come here...and win quickly...before Jerry ruins it!
 

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Even Aikman said you shouldn't try to score too soon in that situation, but you know its just Aikman, three Super Bowl rings and all.
Then after Dak scored, Troy said "You have to take the TD there. You have to."
 
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