Garrett, Lee and other ills

GimmeTheBall!

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"Did ah hear during the gme that Lee was the "heart and soul" of the Dallas Defense? How they know?

True, garrett is without his top QB then finds he cant win even 1 in 6 games without him.

jerra do not see how boring/bland/predictable the strategy be.

We saw tonight a very bad no-name defense.

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The D seemed to fall apart instantly when Lee got hurt. I do think we need a new defensive coach. Giving up more points this year in the 4th quarter than any of the other three is very troubling, and the "bend don't break" without any takeaways just isn't getting the job done.
 

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The D seemed to fall apart instantly when Lee got hurt. I do think we need a new defensive coach. Giving up more points this year in the 4th quarter than any of the other three is very troubling, and the "bend don't break" without any takeaways just isn't getting the job done.

they were leaking before that. We have to remember last year Dallas offense was on the field most of time. This defense is not used to playing that many minutes. They struggle with it if Lee is in the game or out.
 

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People keep saying coaching, but is it really them telling Wilcox to take the worst possible angle in OT and whiff on a WR? Is it coaching thats making Crawford, Mincey, Lawrence and anyone not named Irving or Hardy from getting anywhere NEAR the qb? Is it coaching that has made McClain and Lee shells of their former selves since they've been together? Coaching can only do so much before players have to execute. These players were giving up on plays during the 4th quarter and the Eagles were running down their throats. Yes, there are far better defensive co-ordinators, probably. Not some of these issues go beyond coaching
 

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sick and tired of this damn team not getting it done game after game. at what point do players and coaches just can the "we will go back and look at tape and get better" talk and start understanding that they can look at all the tape they want they just arent good enough.
 

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People keep saying coaching, but is it really them telling Wilcox to take the worst possible angle in OT and whiff on a WR? Is it coaching thats making Crawford, Mincey, Lawrence and anyone not named Irving or Hardy from getting anywhere NEAR the qb? Is it coaching that has made McClain and Lee shells of their former selves since they've been together? Coaching can only do so much before players have to execute. These players were giving up on plays during the 4th quarter and the Eagles were running down their throats. Yes, there are far better defensive co-ordinators, probably. Not some of these issues go beyond coaching

I hear what you saying but have to disagree a little. Maybe if the coaches would blow a gasket now and then and bench poorly performing players it might get their attention.
 

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I hear what you saying but have to disagree a little. Maybe if the coaches would blow a gasket now and then and bench poorly performing players it might get their attention.

It is hard for a coach to do that considering that he is buddy buddy with his players along with excellent job security. These coaches need to be on pins and needles, not cloud nine to get their points across :(
 

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Kinda wish we lost that first game against the Giants. We wouldn't be so eager to bring Romo back since we'd be almost positively out of it. That extra win will probably cause us to play Romo and lose out on a good draft pick.
 

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It is hard for a coach to do that considering that he is buddy buddy with his players along with excellent job security. These coaches need to be on pins and needles, not cloud nine to get their points across :(

True
 

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People keep saying coaching, but is it really them telling Wilcox to take the worst possible angle in OT and whiff on a WR? Is it coaching thats making Crawford, Mincey, Lawrence and anyone not named Irving or Hardy from getting anywhere NEAR the qb? Is it coaching that has made McClain and Lee shells of their former selves since they've been together? Coaching can only do so much before players have to execute. These players were giving up on plays during the 4th quarter and the Eagles were running down their throats. Yes, there are far better defensive co-ordinators, probably. Not some of these issues go beyond coaching

Ummmmm........ When these are recurring problems, yeah, you kind of have to look at coaching as well.
 

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I hear what you saying but have to disagree a little. Maybe if the coaches would blow a gasket now and then and bench poorly performing players it might get their attention.

YES! Exactly
 

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Kinda wish we lost that first game against the Giants. We wouldn't be so eager to bring Romo back since we'd be almost positively out of it. That extra win will probably cause us to play Romo and lose out on a good draft pick.

my heart say you all wet. mein mind say, it say, yes you are right
 

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People keep saying coaching, but is it really them telling Wilcox to take the worst possible angle in OT and whiff on a WR? Is it coaching thats making Crawford, Mincey, Lawrence and anyone not named Irving or Hardy from getting anywhere NEAR the qb? Is it coaching that has made McClain and Lee shells of their former selves since they've been together? Coaching can only do so much before players have to execute. These players were giving up on plays during the 4th quarter and the Eagles were running down their throats. Yes, there are far better defensive co-ordinators, probably. Not some of these issues go beyond coaching

Is it coaching when you see the same mistakes being mad game after game after game? Is it coaching when I can sit on my couch at home and predict the basic play that the Cowboys are going to run on an alarmingly consistent basis? Is it coaching that trots out a player that takes the worst possible angle all the time? You get my point?
 

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Jerry has spent a lot of Money on a bad football team.

Jerry has spent a lot of money on a bad Head Coach as well. He just spent $30 Million for 5 years on JG's. Prior to this extension, JG made 3.5 Million per year for 7 years while being the OC and then the HC. Jerry spend millions of dollars while having a "Head Coach in Training".
 

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sick and tired of this damn team not getting it done game after game. at what point do players and coaches just can the "we will go back and look at tape and get better" talk and start understanding that they can look at all the tape they want they just arent good enough.


Our approach after going back and looking at the tape is just try harder the next week.


Trying hard is not the problem and has not been the problem.
 

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Is it coaching when you see the same mistakes being mad game after game after game? Is it coaching when I can sit on my couch at home and predict the basic play that the Cowboys are going to run on an alarmingly consistent basis? Is it coaching that trots out a player that takes the worst possible angle all the time? You get my point?

I dislike the coaches too, don't get me wrong. They're not off the hook for going 0-6 with one player missing. But Lee isn't playing like Lee, McClain isn't playing like himself other than the first half of his first game back, and half the guys just disappear when the game starts
 

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"Did ah hear during the gme that Lee was the "heart and soul" of the Dallas Defense? How they know?

True, garrett is without his top QB then finds he cant win even 1 in 6 games without him.

jerra do not see how boring/bland/predictable the strategy be.

We saw tonight a very bad no-name defense.

holla

our defense has immensely under performed. in 4 of the 6 losses we scored 20, 27, 28, 20. with your elite QB missing, those should be good enough to win, specially with the investment made on that side of the ball. its the 6th game of the year we have gone without turnover. we have had 1 sack in two games, one against the worst OL in football and last night Philly had to subs at tackle.....and the best DL was Irvin!!!
 

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People keep saying coaching, but is it really them telling Wilcox to take the worst possible angle in OT and whiff on a WR? Is it coaching thats making Crawford, Mincey, Lawrence and anyone not named Irving or Hardy from getting anywhere NEAR the qb? Is it coaching that has made McClain and Lee shells of their former selves since they've been together? Coaching can only do so much before players have to execute. These players were giving up on plays during the 4th quarter and the Eagles were running down their throats. Yes, there are far better defensive co-ordinators, probably. Not some of these issues go beyond coaching

I would say everything you cited as examples are due to poor coaching besides Lee and McClain. Lee's problem is not a product of coaching but his body not being able to withstand the NFL. McClain is worthless. You can't coach someone who doesn't care.

But Wilcox taking the bad angle and whiffing- yes that's coaching because that's an ongoing problem with him. Why can't they look at film and point out the bad angle from all the other times he does it and correct it. either he is a moron who can't learn from his mistakes or the teacher/coach is not helping him learn. If he's a moron then get rid of him and get someone that can be coached.

Crawford, Mincy, Lawrence- yes I would again say coaching just because they are not living up to their "potential", or at least the potential that we are lead to believe they have. I believe that these guys are underperforming and underperforming on a consistent basis, like this whole year, is on the coaches.

You know at some point you have to look at the fact that Jerry is an outstanding salesman and business man. What if all these players just plain suck? What if all these coaches just plain suck? Jerry is smart enough to get people to buy things. I'm starting to wonder if we have bought into the idea that Garrett, Marinelli, Wilcox, Crawford, Lawrence, Hitchens, Claiborne, Carr, that other DT, are all good players/coaches in the NFL and in reality they just suck.

So my point is, is I don't disagree with the OP, but I'm starting to feel like we've been conned. Conned into thinking that this is a good team by Jerry. Once his Ace of Spades went down the con was exposed for what it is. And what it is, is a coach that doesn't belong in this league, A defensive coordinator that has his players underperforming, a defense that can't get turnovers, and overall just a bunch players that are not up to par with the rest of the league. Coaches and players alike maybe just plain suck and we fall for it every year.

I feel like the only players that could be starters on other teams are: Romo, Witten, the whole oline minus Free, Bryant, maybe Williams and Beasely in his slot role. On defense- Hardy, Lee (only if healthy), Irving,

But Escobar, Hanna, The rest of the dline, the entire secondary, linebackers, Clutts, McFadden (even though he played well yesterday). All these other guys we have been conned into thinking they're good but really they would be no one on any other teams. Why do we expect them to be good? Because we know their names? Jerry is a salesman and he sold us fools gold. Romo goes down and we are exposed for what we are. Sucks
 
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