Garrett record compared to others?

[noshame]

What makes it worse is Garrett works for a owner who gives him Unlimited funds and anything else he needs.

 

[Sarge]

It is what it is....some see it, some refuse to.

 

[Diehardblues]

The problem is that Jerry aint selling the team anytime soon, so this is what we got to work with. Now we need a head coach that can win despite Jerry's meddling.

Garrett has proven, without a doubt, that he cant win jack crap..........so sticking with him is just wasting time, he aint gonna get any better.

So its time to move on to the next coach and see if he can win despite Jerry. If he cant, then we move on again. We keep searching until we can find a head coach that can win under Jerry, it might take some time, but it is what it is.



Besides, what is the worst that can happen if we get rid of Garrett? We end up with a coach that misses the playoffs like 72% of the time?

Oh wait..............

I understand and I’m not advocating Garrett is a good coach. What I am advocating is Garrett appears to be the best puppet Jerry has had influencing Jerry in attempting to assemble a more talented team which I believe is only way to overcome it all.. more talent.

The worse that can happen is we return back to the collapse we had when Garrett took over or the 5-11 funk before Bill took over. As frustrating as it’s been under Garrett I actually believe we’ve assembled the best team since Parcells and been as close to the brink of a championship appearance since that Parcells built team.

I’m not prepared to throw it all away for the next no name or washed up puppet. I don’t often agree with Jerry but we are invested in Garrett even if it doesn’t have the same meaning.

Hey, we’re stuck as you say with Jerry’s agenda. I’m just looking for the best means to overcome it and from what I’ve seen this century unless your bringing in another Parcells type this could be it. Even with Bill we didn’t have much more success.

Part of it is I’ve kinda of resigned to the notion we can do much better in this dysfunctional situation with Jerry’s stranglehold and have lowered my expectations . I like Garrett and his connection to our glorious history and if I’m going to have to root for a puppet I like him personally and am rooting for him.

My greater concern is our talent and why I have such worries at key positions like QB because we need elite talent to overcome. Last year I thought we might have it now Im not so sure.

 

[Stash]

I understand and I’m not advocating Garrett is a good coach. What I am advocating is Garrett appears to be the best puppet Jerry has had influencing Jerry in attempting to assemble a more talented team which I believe is only way to overcome it all.. more talent.

The worse that can happen is we return back to the collapse we had when Garrett took over or the 5-11 funk before Bill took over. As frustrating as it’s been under Garrett I actually believe we’ve assembled the best team since Parcells and been as close to the brink of a championship appearance since that Parcells built team.

I’m not prepared to throw it all away for the next no name or washed up puppet. I don’t often agree with Jerry but we are invested in Garrett even if it doesn’t have the same meaning.

Hey, we’re stuck as you say with Jerry’s agenda. I’m just looking for the best means to overcome it and from what I’ve seen this century unless your bringing in another Parcells type this could be it. Even with Bill we didn’t have much more success.

Part of it is I’ve kinda of resigned to the notion we can do much better in this dysfunctional situation with Jerry’s stranglehold and have lowered my expectations . I like Garrett and his connection to our glorious history and if I’m going to have to root for a puppet I like him personally and am rooting for him.

My greater concern is our talent and why I have such worries at key positions like QB because we need elite talent to overcome. Last year I thought we might have it now Im not so sure.

This was a very good summation of your position on the subject. Kudos for explaining yourself very clearly and very well.

While I don't agree with everything you've said or your overall view, I definitely understand it and appreciate where you're coming from.

 

[Sydla]

What top 5 QB did Garrett have? I don't recall him having Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson or Peyton Manning........

LOL.

He had an elite QB in Romo.

Stop.

 

[Diehardblues]

Our process appears to be a little different than many others.

Correct . It’s much different because of Jerry’s pursuit to prove he can build a championship team without a proven HC.

Supporting Garrett doesn’t mean you believe he’s a good coach only believing he might be the best we’ve seen with Jerry. There’s a big difference in that evaluation.

 

[Sydla]

I’m not sure it’s a fair analysis comparing Garrett to other teams with a normal front office and GM.

I’d be more apt to compare Garrett to our other Cowboy coaches this era.

We’ve had more proven and experience HC without much more success so I think the problem is much more deeply rooted than our HC.

Maybe if the coaches we had hired turned out to be quality HC elsewhere. But they didn't. Parcells was the champ of the bunch but he was on his last legs. The others were slop and never amounted to much.

So this idea that Garrett is held back by Jones is bogus. The biggest issue is Jones, but not for the reasons you would think. Jones just sucks at hiring coaches. He looks for guys that will allow him to meddle in their processes and that means he ends up hiring inferior coaches.

Pretty damn simple.

 

[Diehardblues]

Maybe if the coaches we had hired turned out to be quality HC elsewhere. But they didn't. Parcells was the champ of the bunch but he was on his last legs. The others were slop and never amounted to much.

So this idea that Garrett is held back by Jones is bogus. The biggest issue is Jones, but not for the reasons you would think. Jones just sucks at hiring coaches. He looks for guys that will allow him to meddle in their processes and that means he ends up hiring inferior coaches.

Pretty damn simple.

That’s part of it. The bigger issue is Jerry doesn’t want a coach who’s going to recieve as much credit as Jimmy did.

So, that limits our prospects .

 

[Stash]

Maybe if the coaches we had hired turned out to be quality HC elsewhere. But they didn't. Parcells was the champ of the bunch but he was on his last legs. The others were slop and never amounted to much.

So this idea that Garrett is held back by Jones is bogus. The biggest issue is Jones, but not for the reasons you would think. Jones just sucks at hiring coaches. He looks for guys that will allow him to meddle in their processes and that means he ends up hiring inferior coaches.

Pretty damn simple.

And I think that's the reason why he's trying to support Garrett. He feels he's the "best of a bad situation".

Not trying to speak for @Diehardblues , but that's the impression I'm getting.

Not saying I agree with the thinking, but I think I understand it.

 

[diefree666]

He's never had a top 5 QB

well your opinion on Romo is worthless so there.

 

[diefree666]

What top 5 QB did Garrett have? I don't recall him having Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson or Peyton Manning........

Well to be blunt Romo is just as good as the Rapist so that makes him top 5. Wilson? you would get a lot of argument about him being top 5.

 

[Diehardblues]

And I think that's the reason why he's trying to support Garrett. He feels he's the "best of a bad situation".

Not trying to speak for @Diehardblues , but that's the impression I'm getting.

Not saying I agree with the thinking, but I think I understand it.

Correct.

Like with any handicap or dysfunctional situation sometimes you must look for alternative means to overcome within the parameters allowed. Solutions that may not be the norm or as reasonable .

Once you accept those handicaps and immovable objects only then can you begin to configure a way around them.

 

[diefree666]

Correct.

Like with any handicap or dysfunctional situation sometimes you must look for alternative means to overcome within the parameters allowed. Solutions that may not be the norm or as reasonable .

Once you accept those handicaps and immovable objects only then can you begin to configure a way around them.

well one could hope anyway

 

[Diehardblues]

The easy answer is to fire Garrett and keep spinning the wheel with a carousel of coaches Jerry might attract or be interested in or continue building on what we have.

How can we upgrade our current situation . Better asst coaches and more talent . That’s my objective and view in overcoming .

Now if Garrett had bundled every season I might feel differently but we’ve built a team that came close to a championship appearance twice in last 4 years. That to me is something within our parameters to build on.

 

[Stash]

Correct.

Like with any handicap or dysfunctional situation sometimes you must look for alternative means to overcome within the parameters allowed. Solutions that may not be the norm or as reasonable .

Once you accept those handicaps and immovable objects only then can you begin to configure a way around them.

I thought so. And again, I can see your reasoning.

I'm just never going to reach that "acceptance" point myself.


For me, it's an either/or scenario. Either Jones and the team changes the head coach and staff and how they do business, or they're never going to win another championship.

I don't see that other way around it. Because, as history has shown time and time again, while Garrett and this current arrangement might win games against the mediocre or worse, when faced with "do or die" and playoff teams, they can't get the job done.

So, no matter how well they might do in the regular season, they can't avoid those quality teams forever, and once that happens, they're done.

 

[Diehardblues]

I thought so. And again, I can see your reasoning.

I'm just never going to reach that "acceptance" point myself.


For me, it's an either/or scenario. Either Jones and the team changes the head coach and staff and how they do business, or they're never going to win another championship.

I don't see that other way around it. Because, as history has shown time and time again, while Garrett and this current arrangement might win games against the mediocre or worse, when faced with "do or die" and playoff teams, they can't get the job done.

So, no matter how well they might do in the regular season, they can't avoid those quality teams forever, and once that happens, they're done.

Part of problem solving is not just recognizing the issues which you clearly are but looking for viable solutions within the parameters allowed which in our case with Jerry is limited.

 

[Stash]

Part of problem solving is not just recognizing the issues which you clearly are but looking for viable solutions within the parameters allowed which in our case with Jerry is limited.

My definition of "limited" differs from your own.

I look at the Parcells hire. While an anomaly, it shows that Jerry is, in fact, capable of making a hire that requires him to take a step back. And if he can do it once, I believe he can do it again, once he admits his current failure.

 

[Pokeness]

His coaching career is now as undistinguished as is playing career

JG is only 2 for his last 8 in challenges

I really, really, really don't want to believe that Jerry cuts in the headset from the box and tells Jason to challenge the calls, but it is about the only thing that makes sense on many of them.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Someone had posted JG record since becoming the HC compared to others hired around the same time. Just trying to get that info. Couldn't find it on here.

Garrett is horrible. Do you really need to look at statistics for you to clarify that?

 

[sean10mm]

Nitpicking over whether Romo was top 5 or 10 or whatever misses the bigger point that demonstrably worse QBs have won lots of playoff games during Garrett's tenure because they played on fundamentally better managed teams. We just saw 2 of them do it a couple days ago, hell.

You can hang individual games on players botching things, but the big-picture performance over time is entirely the responsibility of the people in charge. People overreact when defending Romo sometimes (the dude is not a Hall of Famer), but the basic idea that everything should be hung around his neck is real dumb because ultimately he was just one player.