Garrett record compared to others?

[Stash]

There was only one reason Jerry hired Bill - to be able to "sell" a new stadium. There's no doubt a new stadium would've been built regardless, but it certainly helped sell the idea and cost.

That's a widely held belief, but it's one that I don't share. I think three years of Dave Campo and 5-11 was enough for Jerry to "see the light", at least for a little while.

Jerry was back to the same old Jerry before Parcells left. I think it's fair to say Bill wanted no part of TO, but that was a Jerry transaction.

I totally agree on that. "Old Jerry" reared his ugly head again. And I think he has several times since. But I've also started to see him take his hands off of the controls more as well. The Manziel thing, the lack of the "Jerry trades" like Galloway or Roy Williams, and now, even the removal of the "Jerry pick" in round 2 where they roll the dice for the 'ol Wildcatter to get his moment.

But hey, maybe it's the optimist in me?

 

[JustChip]

Garrett is horrible. Do you really need to look at statistics for you to clarify that?

I'm not going to argue whether Garrett is a better, worse, or the same coach as Payton. That's somewhat folly simple because they're in different situations with different teams. But, I think it's fair to ask whether those that consider Garrett trash would've been standing on a box shouting for Payton to be gone after he went 7-9 with no playoffs 2014-2016. And if you go back to 2012 (5 seasons), Payton had (4) 7-9 seasons, missing the playoffs each time. He also has not gotten past the Division round since the Super Bowl year of 2009. And what would you or any anti-Garrett fan think if he had gone for 4th and 2 on his own 47 yard line late in a play-off game and not made it as Payton did. It didn't cost them, in part because the DB made an instinctual play and intercepted rather than simply knocking the ball down.

Railing on the coaching staff and QB is nothing new for this fan base. It goes all the way back to the 65 season when the masses and media wanted Landry fired. Murchison responded by giving him a 10 year contract. And how may here were on the pulpit during the 1989 season that Jimmy had to go, he was just a college coach, couldn't handle the pros. Be honest. Hind sight is always 20/20.

 

[JustChip]

Garrett is horrible. Do you really need to look at statistics for you to clarify that?

I'm not going to argue whether Garrett is a better, worse, or the same coach as Payton. That's somewhat folly simple because they're in different situations with different teams. But, I think it's fair to ask whether those that consider Garrett trash would've been standing on a box shouting for Payton to be gone after he went 7-9 with no playoffs 2014-2016. And if you go back to 2012 (5 seasons), Payton had (4) 7-9 seasons, missing the playoffs each time. He also has not gotten past the Division round since the Super Bowl year of 2009. And what would you or any anti-Garrett fan think if he had gone for 4th and 2 on his own 47 yard line late in a play-off game and not made it as Payton did. It didn't cost them, in part because the DB made an instinctual play and intercepted rather than simply knocking the ball down.

Railing on the coaching staff and QB is nothing new for this fan base. It goes all the way back to the 65 season when the masses and media wanted Landry fired. Murchison responded by giving him a 10 year contract. And how may here were on the pulpit during the 1989 season that Jimmy had to go, he was just a college coach, couldn't handle the pros. Be honest. Hind sight is always 20/20.

 

[JustChip]

That's a widely held belief, but it's one that I don't share. I think three years of Dave Campo and 5-11 was enough for Jerry to "see the light", at least for a little while.

I totally agree on that. "Old Jerry" reared his ugly head again. And I think he has several times since. But I've also started to see him take his hands off of the controls more as well. The Manziel thing, the lack of the "Jerry trades" like Galloway or Roy Williams, and now, even the removal of the "Jerry pick" in round 2 where they roll the dice for the 'ol Wildcatter to get his moment.

But hey, maybe it's the optimist in me?

The 3 years of 5-11 were definitely a motivator in change, but going the Parcells route rather than another Chan Gailey-esque coach was, in part, due to the desire for a stadium. Otherwise, why would Jerry have stepped back in prior to Parcells departure? Parcells, for all his short-comings, returned a moribund team to a semblance of respect.

I too am an optimist. My current optimism is based in part on Jerry staying out of the day to day football operations. I'm just afraid Jerry will heed the call of the wild like ole Buck and return to his primal instincts.

 

[cowboyblue22]

garrett is what he is a average coach not a good coach not a bad coach just average has some good years in the regular season and some bad years in the regular season but when it comes playoff time he is out of his league of course he has a albatross around his neck that is jerry jones so there is that

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The QB situation mentioned earlier is the real kicker. For all but one year, Garrett has had a top QB. The one year he didn't, he went 4-12.

Imagine if he had to deal with the QBs Jacksonville or Cleveland or Buffalo or Houston (pre-Watson) or Miami have had to deal with. We'd be looking at 6-10 every year.

 

[DandyDon52]

The problem is that Jerry aint selling the team anytime soon, so this is what we got to work with. Now we need a head coach that can win despite Jerry's meddling.

Garrett has proven, without a doubt, that he cant win jack crap..........so sticking with him is just wasting time, he aint gonna get any better.

So its time to move on to the next coach and see if he can win despite Jerry. If he cant, then we move on again. We keep searching until we can find a head coach that can win under Jerry, it might take some time, but it is what it is.



Besides, what is the worst that can happen if we get rid of Garrett? We end up with a coach that misses the playoffs like 72% of the time?

Oh wait..............

This!
But sadly we are looking at 2
More years with jg at least.
Possibly 2 more decades of next year is the year.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Of course, next year will be good....it's an even numbered year, and according to the "Garrett Almanac", that's the pattern.

 

[Dre11]

I'm not going to argue whether Garrett is a better, worse, or the same coach as Payton. That's somewhat folly simple because they're in different situations with different teams. But, I think it's fair to ask whether those that consider Garrett trash would've been standing on a box shouting for Payton to be gone after he went 7-9 with no playoffs 2014-2016. And if you go back to 2012 (5 seasons), Payton had (4) 7-9 seasons, missing the playoffs each time. He also has not gotten past the Division round since the Super Bowl year of 2009. And what would you or any anti-Garrett fan think if he had gone for 4th and 2 on his own 47 yard line late in a play-off game and not made it as Payton did. It didn't cost them, in part because the DB made an instinctual play and intercepted rather than simply knocking the ball down.

Railing on the coaching staff and QB is nothing new for this fan base. It goes all the way back to the 65 season when the masses and media wanted Landry fired. Murchison responded by giving him a 10 year contract. And how may here were on the pulpit during the 1989 season that Jimmy had to go, he was just a college coach, couldn't handle the pros. Be honest. Hind sight is always 20/20.

I see none of the whiners responding, speaks volumes...lol

 

[HowardC]

Well to be blunt Romo is just as good as the Rapist so that makes him top 5. Wilson? you would get a lot of argument about him being top 5.

Man! I hate not having likes... LIKE!!

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I see none of the whiners responding, speaks volumes...lol

Seven years. Two playoff appearances. One win. That speaks volumes.

 

[Dre11]

Seven years. Two playoff appearances. One win. That speaks volumes.

Yep, it does. You keep chopping wood.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Yep, it does. You keep chopping wood.

I’m merely pointing out facts. I’ve offered no assessment one way or another. If those facts conflict with a narrative you have created, it is likely your narrative that is in error.

 

[khiladi]

Romo was basically MVP, top 3 QB in the league minimum, when he finally started coaching the offense with Linehan in 2014 and Garrett was out of his way,.

 

[khiladi]

And Jerry gave Jason an incredible leash to succeed. He didn’t get Dan Reeves, allowed Jason to get is neither for TE coach and promote him to passing game coordinator, took Felix Jones over Chris Johnson because of Garrett, even let Garrett interfere with Callahan as OC..

He just sucked so bad that he finally had to pull the play-calling duties away from him..

 

[khiladi]

I remember posting a stat that something like only 12 of Garrett’s TOTAL wins were against teams that ended up finished the season over .500...

 

[Dre11]

I’m merely pointing out facts. I’ve offered no assessment one way or another. If those facts conflict with a narrative you have created, it is likely your narrative that is in error.

What narrative? Please inform me. You chose to respond.

 

[Dodger12]

I see none of the whiners responding, speaks volumes...lol

Maybe because the argument is old and worn out, not to mention foolish after 8 years of Garrett. Let's keep comparing him to SB winning coaches if it makes you and others feel better.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

What narrative? Please inform me. You chose to respond.

I never said you had a narrative. The word “if” denotes a hypothetical statement.

 

[diefree666]

Red Ball can beat the bad teams; and halfway decent teams with not so great coaching; but when he is up against more he fails.