Garrett record compared to others?

[Diehardblues]

My definition of "limited" differs from your own.

I look at the Parcells hire. While an anomaly, it shows that Jerry is, in fact, capable of making a hire that requires him to take a step back. And if he can do it once, I believe he can do it again, once he admits his current failure.

Admitting failure is a Huge step for Jerry.

And it would take hitting rock bottom not only on the football field but at the gates meaning a hit on Revenue to bring in someone like Parcells assuming that’s even a possibility anymore since we don’t can need a stadium built.

I’m afraid our possibilities are more limited than you want to accept. It doesn’t mean you have to accept Garrett anymore than we accept Jerry.

But waiting for an Absolution from Jerry is probably a false hope. It’s much like our QB situation we appear so dug in on. We will probably try to surround him with as much support as possible instead of trying to find a more elite QB.

And while within our allowed parameters with Jerry I’d probably tend to agree with you we’ll probably not win another championship I haven’t given up complete hope.

I also believe Garrett is part of a bigger plan by Jerry someday to be more involved in the front office and what Jerry meant back in 2007 naming him “ future of the Dallas Cowboys “. Nothing else makes sense for Jerry going to the depths he’s had in protecting his chosen one.

So, if we have to accept Jerry and all that encompasses I’m certainly prepared to tolerate Jason. It is what it is and why the bar has been lowered for Cowboys Football this era.

 

[Stash]

Admitting failure is a Huge step for Jerry.

No disagreements there. We have 7-plus seasons and a decade overall of proof of that with The Great Garrett Experiment.

And it would take hitting rock bottom not only on the football field but at the gates meaning a hit on Revenue to bring in someone like Parcells assuming that’s even a possibility anymore since we don’t can need a stadium built.

And that's why I was a "bad fan" this season and openly rooted for the bottom to fall out once this team hit 6 losses. I knew that was the only way we would possibly see change.

I’m afraid our possibilities are more limited than you want to accept. It doesn’t mean you have to accept Garrett anymore than we accept Jerry.

Good, because I don't and I never will.

But waiting for an Absolution from Jerry is probably a false hope. It’s much like our QB situation we appear so dug in on. We will probably try to surround him with as much support as possible instead of trying to find a more elite QB.

I'd fully expect that. If they stick to form, they'll double down on Prescott for 2018, and I really don't have a huge problem with that. Find out one way or another and be certain. Is he the guy from 2016? Or the one from 2017? Can you truly win with him or not?

I'd prefer that to yet another quarterback and player being thrown under the bus as "not good enough" while incompetent coaches get yet another free pass.

 

[Diehardblues]

No disagreements there. We have 7-plus seasons and a decade overall of proof of that with The Great Garrett Experiment.



And that's why I was a "bad fan" this season and openly rooted for the bottom to fall out once this team hit 6 losses. I knew that was the only way we would possibly see change.



Good, because I don't and I never will.



I'd fully expect that. If they stick to form, they'll double down on Prescott for 2018, and I really don't have a huge problem with that. Find out one way or another and be certain. Is he the guy from 2016? Or the one from 2017? Can you truly win with him or not?

I'd prefer that to yet another quarterback and player being thrown under the bus as "not good enough" while incompetent coaches get yet another free pass.

I was a season ticket holder for almost 4 decades at Texas Stadium. I saw all of this coming once the new stadium was built and tried to lead a boycott to buying season tickets. Tens of thousands of us ole Diehards didn’t make the trip over.

Once that stadium was built, tickets sold and PSL’s committed . Game over!!

We’re completely at Jerry’s mercy now. The only way to get his attention is a hit on his revenue.

Jerry has all of the revenue pieces in place for his final determination of building a championship team without a coach like Jimmy to prove everyone wrong . Garrett is the perfect puppet for him. All we can do is sit and watch since we’re unwilling to force real change.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I really, really, really don't want to believe that Jerry cuts in the headset from the box and tells Jason to challenge the calls, but it is about the only thing that makes sense on many of them.

He should have cut in the headset in that Seattle game and told him to run the ball on the goal line. Even Jerry would have known to do that.

 

[Stash]

I was a season ticket holder for almost 4 decades at Texas Stadium. I saw all of this coming once the new stadium was built and tried to lead a boycott to buying season tickets. Tens of thousands of us ole Diehards didn’t make the trip over.

Once that stadium was built, tickets sold and PSL’s committed . Game over!!

We’re completely at Jerry’s mercy now. The only way to get his attention is a hit on his revenue.

Jerry has all of the revenue pieces in place for his final determination of building a championship team without a coach like Jimmy to prove everyone wrong . Garrett is the perfect puppet for him. All we can do is sit and watch since were unwilling to force change.

Much respect sir! And I feel your pain. I wasn't invested nearly as much as you were financially, but I credit you for knowing when enough is enough, that couldn't have been easy.

But you did your part and hit him in the pocketbook. That's all any of us can do. I just hope that more fans realize that it's their money and their vote and they don't have to resign themselves to financially support a product they're not happy with.

You wouldn't do it with a cellphone that didn't work, don't do it with this product either, because at the end of the day, that's what it is - a product.

Again, good on you for taking a stand! My hats off!

 

[diefree666]

No disagreements there. We have 7-plus seasons and a decade overall of proof of that with The Great Garrett Experiment.



And that's why I was a "bad fan" this season and openly rooted for the bottom to fall out once this team hit 6 losses. I knew that was the only way we would possibly see change.



Good, because I don't and I never will.



I'd fully expect that. If they stick to form, they'll double down on Prescott for 2018, and I really don't have a huge problem with that. Find out one way or another and be certain. Is he the guy from 2016? Or the one from 2017? Can you truly win with him or not?

I'd prefer that to yet another quarterback and player being thrown under the bus as "not good enough" while incompetent coaches get yet another free pass.

I agree with giving Dak all next season to show he can bear the load. Being QB of the Cowboys is a true hot seat and I think he got distracted this year dealing with all the off the field crap that comes with the job. Tony admitted that he did not really get the heat until the offseason after he started. And tony had the advantage of being in the NFL for three years prior.

 

[Diehardblues]

No disagreements there. We have 7-plus seasons and a decade overall of proof of that with The Great Garrett Experiment.



And that's why I was a "bad fan" this season and openly rooted for the bottom to fall out once this team hit 6 losses. I knew that was the only way we would possibly see change.



Good, because I don't and I never will.



I'd fully expect that. If they stick to form, they'll double down on Prescott for 2018, and I really don't have a huge problem with that. Find out one way or another and be certain. Is he the guy from 2016? Or the one from 2017? Can you truly win with him or not?

I'd prefer that to yet another quarterback and player being thrown under the bus as "not good enough" while incompetent coaches get yet another free pass.

Incompetent coaches and front office is part of our makeup.

Again, your unwilling to accept our handicaps which until you do I’m afraid you won’t begin looking for solutions within our allowed framework or lower your expectations.

We have a very difficult and dysfunctional situation which calls for solutions outside the normal reasonable process.

 

[Stash]

I agree with giving Dak all next season to show he can bear the load. Being QB of the Cowboys is a true hot seat and I think he got distracted this year dealing with all the off the field crap that comes with the job. Tony admitted that he did not really get the heat until the offseason after he started. And tony had the advantage of being in the NFL for three years prior.

My list of reasons for the offensive struggles is a long one, but Dak is on it. He definitely needs a rebound season.

 

[Stash]

Incompetent coaches and front office is part of our makeup.

Again, your unwilling to accept our handicaps which until you do I’m afraid you won’t begin looking for solutions within our allowed framework or lower your expectations.

We have a very difficult and dysfunctional situation which calls for solutions outside the normal reasonable process.

In my mind, there is no "solution". If Garrett - and by extension Jerry Jones - isn't changed, the results won't either. No matter how much the deck might be stacked with superior personnel, it will never be stacked enough to overcome those deficiencies.

 

[Diehardblues]

Much respect sir! And I feel your pain. I wasn't invested nearly as much as you were financially, but I credit you for knowing when enough is enough, that couldn't have been easy.

But you did your part and hit him in the pocketbook. That's all any of us can do. I just hope that more fans realize that it's their money and their vote and they don't have to resign themselves to financially support a product they're not happy with.

You wouldn't do it with a cellphone that didn't work, don't do it with this product either, because at the end of the day, that's what it is - a product.

Again, good on you for taking a stand! My hats off!

Right!!

It is a product I choose not to financially support any longer but I’m still emotionally invested. Not as much as I once was but nevertheless it’s what I do on Sundays during the season .

I continue to watch all of the games and root us on and these forums provide me an outlet to voice my opinions and grievances .

Despite Jerry I still want our football team to win while I don’t expect us to anymore . It’s a different mindset when you become a mediocre/ dormant football franchise .

I still enjoy the competition of the games and like some of the players and coaches. I certainly don’t fault Garrett. He’s doing all he can with his ability much like Romo or Dak is. It all comes down to the decisions from above.

I’ve rooted for my Alma Mater who has been a dormant team most of my life so it’s prepared me for my local NFL team to follow suit. Back in the day I traveled with the team on the road and saw these dormant rabid diehard fans supporting the likes in Detroit and New Orleans who at the time had never sniffed a Super Bowl and it made me realize how lucky we were at the time.

Well, that luck has ran out. 20+ years now. It might take another generation to cleanse out all of the ole Cowboy fans who still expect greatness because that’s not who we are anymore.

 

[Diehardblues]

In my mind, there is no "solution". If Garrett - and by extension Jerry Jones - isn't changed, the results won't either. No matter how much the deck might be stacked with superior personnel, it will never be stacked enough to overcome those deficiencies.

The only reason I have some hope is with superior talent we did win without Jimmy even though it was the talent he assembled.

 

[Gameover]

I think he hurt us more being our OC in 2007-09. Cowboys had a team good enough to be a real playoff factor, I believe Garrett held that team back from reaching its potential.

 

[Stash]

The only reason I have some hope is with superior talent we did win without Jimmy even though it was the talent he assembled.

Yeah, but that wasn't just on field "talent", they kept all of the quality coaches they had in place. Cruise control if ever there was one.

Garrett's shown me that not only isn't he good himself, he can't recognize good either. He's had enough chances to shuffle the deck beneath him and it hasn't made things any different.

 

[Stash]

I think he hurt us more being our OC in 2007-09. Cowboys had a team good enough to be a real playoff factor, I believe Garrett held that team back from reaching its potential.

I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I've read several that claim that Garrett actually undermined Wade to get the job for himself. One such account coming from Wade himself.

There are definitely stories of coaches being run out of town because of Garrett. (Dan Reeves, Bill Callahan).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL.

He had an elite QB in Romo.

Stop.

So Romo was top 5 in that era?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well to be blunt Romo is just as good as the Rapist so that makes him top 5. Wilson? you would get a lot of argument about him being top 5.

Nobody outside of Romo stans would consider him a top 5 qb.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, but that wasn't just on field "talent", they kept all of the quality coaches they had in place. Cruise control if ever there was one.

Garrett's shown me that not only isn't he good himself, he can't recognize good either. He's had enough chances to shuffle the deck beneath him and it hasn't made things any different.

Again your focus is on Garretts shortcoming which I’m not questioning .

The bigger issue is why is Jerry tolerating it? And how do we overcome it? If you don’t believe we can that’s fine but why continue?

You’ve basically resigned we have any chance as long as Garrett is here. There’s no reason for any further discussion beyond that issue. Nothing else matters . Our defense , offense, asst coaches , draft... nothing until Garrett is gone.

That’s totally hopeless which is fine . Your entitled to that opinion. I prefer to have a glimmer of hope in our talent. It makes for a more interesting watch on TV.

 

[aria]

What makes it worse is Garrett works for a owner who gives him Unlimited funds and anything else he needs.

Except depth, balance on both sides of the ball and reliable players.

 

[cowboy_ron]

What makes it worse is Garrett works for a owner who gives him Unlimited funds and anything else he needs.

lol, I couldn't disagree more.....the way it works in big "D" is, the owner you mentioned is more like: Jason, here is what I've got for you to work with.

 

[JustChip]

My definition of "limited" differs from your own.

I look at the Parcells hire. While an anomaly, it shows that Jerry is, in fact, capable of making a hire that requires him to take a step back. And if he can do it once, I believe he can do it again, once he admits his current failure.

There was only one reason Jerry hired Bill - to be able to "sell" a new stadium. There's no doubt a new stadium would've been built regardless, but it certainly helped sell the idea and cost. Jerry was back to the same old Jerry before Parcells left. I think it's fair to say Bill wanted no part of TO, but that was a Jerry transaction.