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Not sure what you're referring to by 'failing.' You mean the three 8-8 seasons? First of all, I don't consider them necessarily to be coaching failures as he kept a fairly bad team in post-season contention each year.

I think he took over a 1-7 team, got them to 8-8, and then started the process we've since seen of rebuilding a roster that was in obvious need of repair with no extra draft picks and no cap space. In fact, negative cap space relative to recent years when you look at the new CBA and the (bogus) Austin penalty. I think he botched his first DC hire, and the truly bad defenses we had in 2011 and 2012 cost us a realistic shot at the playoffs.

I also think he's made some mistakes in play calling and had a lot to learn on game days, if that helps. It has not been a straight upward trend. But, overall, he's systematically rebuild the secondary, the OL, the coaching staff and, now, the DL and LB corps. He's got a handle on the cap and one of the youngest good teams in football. He's got a tall order in lining up Tony's eventual replacement next, but we have cap space and the roster to do that now where we did not in 2010. And I think all of this has been so obviously building for so long now that it still surprises me that people were arguing with me and calling me a ridiculous homer for insisting that it was happening as recently as last offseason.

That writing has been on the wall in 3 inch headlines as Jimmy would probably say since the halfway point of the 2010 season.

im talking every season since 08. Even wade didnt mess with the offense. it was fully within JG's control and after his first year, it was pretty stagnant.

Further, how can other HC's take over poor teams and turn them around in 1-2 years...why is JG taking so much longer?
 

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im talking every season since 08. Even wade didnt mess with the offense. it was fully within JG's control and after his first year, it was pretty stagnant.

Further, how can other HC's take over poor teams and turn them around in 1-2 years...why is JG taking so much longer?

Yeah what is he waiting on? Another 8-8 season would be a disaster.



It's still 2014, right?
 

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im talking every season since 08. Even wade didnt mess with the offense. it was fully within JG's control and after his first year, it was pretty stagnant.

Further, how can other HC's take over poor teams and turn them around in 1-2 years...why is JG taking so much longer?

You probably should look closer at our offensive effectiveness during that span then.

Which teams during that two years you're talking about would you trade places with, specifically? Not all teams have the same circumstances, and not all coaches inherit the same problems. It's difficult to compare if we're not talking specifics.

There aren't many teams in the league I'd swap rosters with right now. You?
 

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so then whats your reasoning for him failing for year after year? accident?

Cap problems with its related talent deficit coupled with a meddling and desperate owner/GM as well as a corrupt culture. I'll buy a piece of the play calling but that is mitigated by an overall lack of talent esp on the OL along with a defense that couldn't keep a lead.

If all you do is look on the face of the water, you never see below the surface.
 

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You probably should look closer at our offensive effectiveness during that span then.

Which teams during that two years you're talking about would you trade places with, specifically? Not all teams have the same circumstances, and not all coaches inherit the same problems. It's difficult to compare if we're not talking specifics.

There aren't many teams in the league I'd swap rosters with right now. You?

i know you'll say but "at least we were there"...but I am still overly bitter about 2009 and the blowout by minny. that roster and o-line had talent.

then 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8 all with JG on the roster.

Yes, last year was better...but as I said before, we finally were REMOVING duties from JG. Plus, there is the "repeat it" factor...go 8-8 again this year and last year is going to be the statistical outlier since JG became HC.
 

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im talking every season since 08. Even wade didnt mess with the offense. it was fully within JG's control and after his first year, it was pretty stagnant.

Further, how can other HC's take over poor teams and turn them around in 1-2 years...why is JG taking so much longer?
8-8 the first 3 years with teams (defenses) that had no business being .500
12-4 in his 4th season.
I'd say Jerry's patience is paying off
 

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Just needed to get that off my chest and this seemed like the place for it.


Those high school schemes that we run the same way whether we have the Phil Costa line or the Fredbeard line really piss me off too.

The Zack Martin pick and getting a play caller with a clue saved his job last year.

We've had this conversation before and the passing game has never been like that. Whenever I try to steer the conversation towards what route combinations or other technical specifics of the passing game are in question it goes nowhere. You're not doing that here but I think it's an important distinction.

I agree that the playcalls are not very diverse in the run game. Inside power, offtackle, stretch, and then counters for those are most everything we run. In the red zone and short yardage they will start throwing in leads and whams and they will make line calls to trap over penetration but all in all they run 3 plays and there counters mostly. I suspect we might see a return of the pitch with McFadden but I disagree that you really need more than that.

First of all it makes execution in the run and play action much easier to deal with. The adjustments that DC's make to flank runs is susceptible to the counter play. You don't need anything more if you can execute.

Jason Garrett drafted and coached Zach Martin. Linehan was his handpicked choice. I think you are missing the point of what a HC does. He machinated his own salvation.
 

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Any coincidence that he looks smarter when he had the OL that HE desired. Even the great Brady and Manning need linemen to be able to somewhat run the ball.

He's very underrated as a HC. I say top 10 in the league based on his leadership in locker room and vision for the future.

Even the great Sean Payton has had issues the last few years. No one rags on him.
 

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8-8 8-8 8-8 could have been and should have all been 9-7.
Then what's being said? Heck if just one had been 9-7 and in the playoffs we all would be singing a different tune.

I know if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Xmas.

I for one are willing to hold off judgement until after this season.
 

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As long as he stays a mile away from another offensive playbook, I am ok for now. JG does suck at offense!
 

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Yeah, that is why Dallas' offense has been the achilles heel of the team since Garrett showed up.....

Despite the fact the offense has been well into the top half of the league most years. Last year I think they were in the top five. Didn't look it up.
 

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Despite the fact the offense has been well into the top half of the league most years. Last year I think they were in the top five. Didn't look it up.
According to NFL.com, Dallas finished in the top half of the league in total offense every season since Garrett came on board in 2009 (2nd), 2007 (3rd), 2012 (6th), 2010 & 2014 (7th), 2012 (11th), and 2013 (16th).
 
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