Garrett vs. Fisher

[khiladi]

I still think Jerry talks too much. I get weary of him being injury update guy, of him announcing that we are not going to avoid Richard Sherman in our game plan, of him giving us a play by play of his desire to have Johnny Football, and all the rest. I think Jerry will always be Jerry. I give Garrett credit for being able to manage all of that. And I don't know if you pay attention but when you started a thread last week praising Callahan, I gave you a "like" and said I think he's a great coach. You see.... not all... or nothing. I love the team we have put together. I love Linehan's work, Callahan's work, Marinelli's work, and all the rest. And I love our head coach's work. If we continue like this he will be coach of the year and it will be richly deserved.

So Garrett's "process" of NOT being interfered, instead of Jerry forcing all these changes on Garrett, just began during this season?

 

[rcaldw]

So Garrett's "process" of NOT being interfered, with Jerry forcing all these changes on Garrett, just began during this season?

I think you confuse things, and unfortunately I don't have any more time today to point out the confusion. I appreciate your passion for our team. Hopefully we can agree on that. But I have wasted enough time today, I have to get to work. Have a great one.

 

[khiladi]

I think you confuse things, and unfortunately I don't have any more time today to point out the confusion. I appreciate your passion for our team. Hopefully we can agree on that. But I have wasted enough time today, I have to get to work. Have a great one.

And to you the same.

 

[dupree89]

Guys, we're 5-1 and coming off our best win in years. In my humble opinion, right now isn't the time to attack
the GM, the head coach, any assistants, the QB etc. You wanna bash special teams a little? I can see that.
But I am thinking pretty much everyone else deserves a week of being free from being attacked.

And if you go through my posts, I drill the GM and head coach plenty. But, its hard to right now.....unless you are really really reaching.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think the head coach was one of the Few that seen that Vince Young was not going to wind up being a long term starter in this league.

I think Fisher was ahead of the owner and the other teams that learned that Young did not have the maturity and mentality to be a good starting QB in this league.

I notice you don't seem to hold the other coaches accountable for at the very least making Young and viable back up QB in the NFL.

How can you see that when Vince Young was winning games? He gave them the best chance to win. They were winning post season games despite not having anyone other than Chris Johnson. That's exactly why he's a terrible coach. He was one of the few who knew he wouldn't wind up being a long term starter? But Hasselbeck was? Insane.

 

[Zman5]

I disagree. I'm on the outside looking in though so I can't refute what a 49ers fan believes about his team but the jump from where the 49ers were to where the Cowboys were until now? I'd rather have that 49ers job than the Cowboys one. Especially when you have a meddling owner/gm who's always watching over you. It was destined to take longer to write a wrong when it comes to this team. It was 20+ years of this culture.

Not to mention the 49ers didn't get rid of a Demarcus Ware or a Jason Hatcher for their "culture change". Personnel wise.....they continued to draft well and players progressed.

It didn't take Parcells 4 years to get us into the playoffs. Funny what great coaching can do.

Also, are you implying we got rid of Ware and Hatcher to change the culture? If so, that is so far from the truth.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

How can you see that when Vince Young was winning games? He gave them the best chance to win. They were winning post season games despite not having anyone other than Chris Johnson. That's exactly why he's a terrible coach. He was one of the few who knew he wouldn't wind up being a long term starter? But Hasselbeck was? Insane.

And yet how do you explain Youngs career without Fisher being in his way. I will answer that for you, because young is Youngs worst enemy... Not Fisher.

Here is the raw truth. Nobody wants young to be their starter or backup QB. The last two to three teams that signed him, signed and released him in about a months time. He was nothing better than a preseason / camp arm. In other words he is just not good enough to make a full time roster.

 

[NickZepp]

Young had one decent season when he threw for 10 TDs and 3 INTs and was benched. I think it was off the field issues that got him benched in part. He was playing his best at that time. But it wasn't like the Titans were winning a lot. They were 4-4 at the time. Before that season he had thrown 33 TDs and 38 INTs in his career. He finished with a career completion percentage of 58%. His Rating was in the mid 70s. He just wasn't that good a QB.

 

[mmohican29]

It didn't take Parcells 4 years to get us into the playoffs. Funny what great coaching can do.

Also, are you implying we got rid of Ware and Hatcher to change the culture? If so, that is so far from the truth.

I agree on Ware. Hatcher was an admitted mercenary. When someone's out for themselves it's transparent to the lesser talent on a team who quietly resent it. Did Hatcher ball out? Yes. Am I glad he's gone? Yes- we're doing just fine without both players.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It didn't take Parcells 4 years to get us into the playoffs. Funny what great coaching can do.

Also, are you implying we got rid of Ware and Hatcher to change the culture? If so, that is so far from the truth.

Yes I do believe that has something to do with it. Why else didn't the Cowboys just restructure Ware like they do every time they want salary cap space. What made this time different for them? In regards to Hatcher.......I think if he was 25 he may have been brought back but at his age but I do think he was let go because he was more of a "me first" than a team guy. The makeup of this team all have similar traits. Even Rolando McClain.

And yet how do you explain Youngs career without Fisher being in his way. I will answer that for you, because young is Youngs worst enemy... Not Fisher.

Here is the raw truth. Nobody wants young to be their starter or backup QB. The last two to three teams that signed him, signed and released him in about a months time. He was nothing better than a preseason / camp arm. In other words he is just not good enough to make a full time roster.

Like i've stated, Young was done. He never got proper coaching. You can't overcome proper coaching and then all of a sudden turn into a Pro Bowler. And while you "dismiss" his skill, why did the Eagirls give him a shot? Why did the Packers? Why did the Bills? You look at this as a way to discredit his skill because he couldn't stay on those teams but to me I look at it as if he got 3 more chances. You can't be a young qb in this league with improper coaching and try to overcome it. Its not happening. Fisher ruined Vince Young's career and he's doing a fantastic job of ruining all of those 1st and 2nd rounders he has up in St. Louis right now too.

But Jeff Fisher will continue to fool the league. He has many fans fooled. But the guy has done NOTHING in this league and he's more of a nuisance than a legit coach. I'd keep he and Shanahan away from my young teams.

 

[Zman5]

Yes I do believe that has something to do with it. Why else didn't the Cowboys just restructure Ware like they do every time they want salary cap space. What made this time different for them? In regards to Hatcher.......I think if he was 25 he may have been brought back but at his age but I do think he was let go because he was more of a "me first" than a team guy. The makeup of this team all have similar traits. Even Rolando McClain.

It's called not getting your money's worth. If they just wanted to get rid of Ware for this "culture change", they would have just cut him instead of asking him to take a pay cut and stay.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's called not getting your money's worth. If they just wanted to get rid of Ware for this "culture change", they would have just cut him instead of asking him to take a pay cut and stay.

Maybe. I tend to believe they asked him to take a pay cut where every DE was getting OVERPAID was sort of like telling him you were releasing him.

 

[Zman5]

Maybe. I tend to believe they asked him to take a pay cut where every DE was getting OVERPAID was sort of like telling him you were releasing him.

I think you are reaching on that one. If you really want to get rid of a player for whatever reason , you cut him and don't give him other options.