Garrett vs. Fisher

[khiladi]

Hell, even Jerry made the change to the 4-3 on the advice of Lacewell...

http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/...amiliar-face-for-advice-this-offseason-010614

"I'm broken-hearted, frankly, over what happened this season," Lacewell told me by phone Friday. "Maybe the speed of the game was a little different than what [Kiffin] was used to early in the season. My stock isn't real high at the moment [with Jerry]. I'm not on the hit parade."

Still, Lacewell will have plenty of say in what direction Jones goes with this coaching staff. He thinks the continuity of keeping Marinelli is better than making sweeping changes to the defense. My take is that a younger coach such as the recently fired Jim Schwartz might bring some energy. Everyone wanted to talk about how Kiffin was amazing for his age, but it seems impossible to sell his return to a frustrated fan base.

It's also clear that Jerry was looking for a new OC and said there were too many hands in the offense.

"I think it would be a great hire," Lacewell said. "Norv would be the person to quieten the ship and get things moving in the right direction. You have too many spoons in the pie right now."

 

[Doomsday101]

LOL, 'narrative'.. I said at the beginning of the year, the Cowboys would make the play-offs most likely, because of Linehan calling the plays and them being in the NFC East, despite Garrett being the HC.. This guy on the other hand talking about narrative was also saying he thought Garrett should have been fired last year. The other guy was telling me Jerry Jones is forcing stuff on Jason Garrett and Romo keeps audibling out of Garrett's run calles. Now, suddenly, it's the 'process'...

I mean even Jerry's words are right there, not anybody else's.. Why so mad? Jerry made the changes.

I'm not mad despite you continuously asking that question. You are the one acting as if Garrett plays no part that is utter BS. Yes he is more focused on defense why maybe because it was the worst damn defense in team history and yet that defense is playing well above any and all expectations. I don't recall many of you claiming this defense would be good, decent no it was a joke well not looking like a joke now. Yes Linehan has come in and done a very good job but this offense was already 5th in the NFL last season in points scored, it was not a matter that the offense was the worst in team history far from it. You act like this was the last place offense it wasn't. We did not put up 48 points vs Denver and lose because offense sucked we lost because the defense allowed 51.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The OL is more Callahan than anybody else. Garrett brought in Houck and was running power-blocking schemes and his running game has always been awful. In 2009, Wade was essentially saying the offense needs to rely more on the run to help the defense out as well. And he wanted to bring in Dan Reeves. Remember, this issue of how to incorporate a running game and various schemes with the overall offense has been an issue with Garrett from the beginning. The main point being, to develop this line and what needed to be done, Dallas had to take responsibilities away from Garrett. If Garrett was not that great, than how does one expect him to 'build and offensive line'? We saw what they drafted during the years with Houck.

And Frederik was from Wisconsion and Callahan was OL coach there for many years and had ties there going way back. And Yakuza Rich mentioned that he's the guy that pushed the Cowboys to draft him. It should be mentioned that the Cowboys had Sharif Floyd on their boards as BPA and their was draft board confusion, with Marinelli saying no to him and Jerry pulling the trigger on Frederik at the last minute.

And Callahan was rifting with Garrett last year per reports and he was on the verge of walking out to an OC position with either the Ravens or Browns, but Jerry didn't even allow that to happen. Stephen even mentioned he wanted to leave. Jerry was admitting last year that Jason was calling the plays and wouldn't allow Callahan to do his job. And we all know what happened in the last game, when ever Orton chucked the ball over forty times a game.

Jerry took Garrett completely away from the offense and put him on the defense. And Jerry has been mentioning the Romo influence in game planning with Linehan as huge and what he envisions.

BTW, Callahan's contract runs out this year....

The point is, one has to give Jerry, Callahan and Linehan credit before they give it all to some PROCESS... There is a wide difference saying Garrett brings things to the table such as people loving to play for him than saying everything was part of his 'process'.

Good points. I'm all for giving the others their due credit as well. They're all part of the formula that is currently working.

I simply won't discount that HC's influence on that based off of speculative rumors and rumblings though. That's just me.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It can be Garrett vs The Predator.

It's an irrelevant comparison unless both are coaching the same team.

I care about how Garrett is doing with his team, and since he's 5-1, he's doing great so far. But, he still has a lot to prove since it has been three 8-8 seasons in a row, and we're not even half way done with the current season. The good thing is he's doing what a head coach is supposed to do: manage, assemble, delegate, and motivate to a winning tune. That is what matters right now and what matters at the end.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We can agree to disagree.

The only person that Vince Young has to blame is Vince Young.

So you don't think how his position was handled in Tennessee was odd at all? From the head coach not liking him and not wanting to play him?

 

[khiladi]

I'm not mad despite you continuously asking that question. You are the one acting as if Garrett plays no part that is utter BS. Yes he is more focused on defense why maybe because it was the worst damn defense in team history and yet that defense is playing well above any and all expectations. I don't recall many of you claiming this defense would be good, decent no it was a joke well not looking like a joke now.
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LOL.. I was saying last year we far surpassed out TO differential with this defense last year than in our previous years by over 10, before the season even finished. I was saying blaming the defense is scape-goating them and takes away from the fact our offense can't sustain drives for long periods.

As far as Garrett, because it's not the context, if you actually read the quotes of Jerry. Jason interfered and was calling plays, despite the fact Callahan was suppose to call them. Jerry said he won't be doing that anymore and he'll 'focus' on the defense. And many people mocked this, precisely because what could he teach Marinelli?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There was a culture change. The team didn't buy into Singletary's ways but did buy into Harbaugh. As I said, ask a 49ner fan. I hear this all the time from my coworkers who are 49ners fans.

I disagree. I'm on the outside looking in though so I can't refute what a 49ers fan believes about his team but the jump from where the 49ers were to where the Cowboys were until now? I'd rather have that 49ers job than the Cowboys one. Especially when you have a meddling owner/gm who's always watching over you. It was destined to take longer to write a wrong when it comes to this team. It was 20+ years of this culture.

Not to mention the 49ers didn't get rid of a Demarcus Ware or a Jason Hatcher for their "culture change". Personnel wise.....they continued to draft well and players progressed.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So you don't think how his position was handled in Tennessee was odd at all? From the head coach not liking him and not wanting to play him?

I think the head coach was one of the Few that seen that Vince Young was not going to wind up being a long term starter in this league.

I think Fisher was ahead of the owner and the other teams that learned that Young did not have the maturity and mentality to be a good starting QB in this league.

I notice you don't seem to hold the other coaches accountable for at the very least making Young and viable back up QB in the NFL.

 

[Doomsday101]

LOL.. I was saying last year we far surpassed out TO differential with this defense last year than in our previous years by over 10, before the season even finished. I was saying blaming the defense is scape-goating them and takes away from the fact our offense can't sustain drives for long periods.

As far as Garrett, because it's not the context, if you actually read the quotes of Jerry. Jason interfered and was calling plays, despite the fact Callahan was suppose to call them. Jerry said he won't be doing that anymore and he'll 'focus' on the defense. And many people mocked this, precisely because what could he teach Marinelli?

Regardless of what you say it was a defense that constantly folded it was a defense that in critical moment did not get it done are you telling me that the defense was good? Not one person who covers the NFL believes that BS.
You act as if calling the plays is what all HC and that is not the case many HC do not call the plays that does not mean they deserve no credit. hell Johnson did not call plays so no credit to him? You are so damn eager to keep any and all credit to Garrett. I never said this is all Jason Garrett but damn right he deserve credit as well.

 

[rcaldw]

Regardless of what you say it was a defense that constantly folded it was a defense that in critical moment did not get it done are you telling me that the defense was good? Not one person who covers the NFL believes that BS.
You act as if calling the plays is what all HC and that is not the case many HC do not call the plays that does not mean they deserve no credit. hell Johnson did not call plays so no credit to him? You are so damn eager to keep any and all credit to Garrett. I never said this is all Jason Garrett but damn right he deserve credit as well.

Stop arguing with him I tell people all the time, if you talk to insane people like they are sane you end up in insanity yourself.

 

[khiladi]

Regardless of what you say it was a defense that constantly folded it was a defense that in critical moment did not get it done are you telling me that the defense was good? Not one person who covers the NFL believes that BS.
You act as if calling the plays is what all HC and that is not the case many HC do not call the plays that does not mean they deserve no credit. hell Johnson did not call plays so no credit to him? You are so damn eager to keep any and all credit to Garrett. I never said this is all Jason Garrett but damn right he deserve credit as well.

What is this thread about? Why are people comparing Jason Garrett to Jeff Fisher in a season where the Cowboys are 5-1? You know why, because they want to say, they are right about the 'process' and it's all Garrett.

And yet, last year they were telling us Jerry Jones keeps interfering and Romo is audibling out of his running plays... One of those guys is cheer-leading your posts above, acting like he never said that, and the process has been working flawlessly...

And BTW, the defense played well enough in Philly to win and make it into the play-offs. And Orton chucked the ball over 40 times.

 

[Doomsday101]

Stop arguing with him I tell people all the time, if you talk to insane people like they are sane you end up in insanity yourself.

True, guy is a utter waste of time. He will give credit to anyone but Garrett. Myself as I have mentioned several times there is a lot of credit to go around this staff and players are playing very good ball

 

[rcaldw]

What is this thread about? Why are people comparing Jason Garrett to Jeff Fisher in a season where the Cowboys are 5-1? You know why, because they want to say, they are right about the 'process' and it's all Garrett.

And yet, last year they were telling us Jerry Jones keeps interfering and Romo is audibling out of his running plays... One of those guys is cheer-leading your posts above, acting like he never said that, and the process has been working flawlessly...

And BTW, the defense played well enough in Philly to win and make it into the play-offs. And Orton chucked the ball over 40 times.

, you are entertaining

 

[Doomsday101]

The defense played well enough in Philly to win and make it into the play-offs. And Orton chucked the ball over 40 times.... What is this thread about? Why are people comparing Jason Garrett to Jeff Fisher in a season where the Cowboys are 5-1? You know why, because they want to say, they are right about the 'process' and it's all Garrett...

And yet, last year they were telling us Jerry Jones keeps interfering and Romo is audibling out of his running plays... One of those guys is cheer-leading your posts above, acting like he never said that, and the process has been working flawlessly...

I give credit to all including Garrett but you are hell bent on making sure he gets no credit for anything. It is your personal agenda most here do think Linehan and Marinelli as well as other members of this staff deserve credit. Hell we even have some willing to give Jerry credit. No one has claimed this is all Garrett but yet he too deserve credit.

 

[khiladi]

I give credit to all including Garrett but you are hell bent on making sure he gets no credit for anything. It is your personal agenda most here do think Linehan and Marinelli as well as other members of this staff deserve credit. Hell we even have some willing to give Jerry credit. No one has claimed this is all Garrett but yet he too deserve credit.

To quote your buddy:

lol, uh huh. This is the first year that your future has become clear. A lot of crow eating. Get used to it

 

[rcaldw]

I give credit to all including Garrett but you are hell bent on making sure he gets no credit for anything. It is your personal agenda most here do think Linehan and Marinelli as well as other members of this staff deserve credit. Hell we even have some willing to give Jerry credit. No one has claimed this is all Garrett but yet he too deserve credit.

Khiladi is an all or nothing, unlike most of us. I have the ability to see something (I still believe Romo audibled too often out of run plays in the past; I still believe that Jerry Jones is best when he sticks to owning the Cowboys and closes his mouth as "football guy"), and yet also recognize changes. Romo is playing outstanding. Jones is like a proud father right now. See... reasonable. I do not argue, nor would I ever argue that Jason Garrett never makes a mistake as a head coach. How silly. I argue, and this thread was meant to point it out, that ALL head coaches get criticism. Part of it my friend. Just this season Fisher allowed a delay of game penalty when the Rams were on their final drive trying to upset Philly. It was on a 4th and short. They backed up and didn't convert. Just this year Andy Reid's Chiefs were guilty of 12 men on the field (on defense), and moved the opposing team closer for a FG that ended up being their doom. You see..... that is called the NFL... reasonable. What makes Khiladi different is that he has a narrative he has created in which Jason Garrett hasn't been the head coach, hasn't had a plan, hasn't executed the plan, and therefore has "lucked" into 5-1. He's just along for the ride. Carried on the winds of luck and coordinators. Do I have that right Mr. Bullhorn? I think I do. There is just one problem with it. It is IMAGINARY. It is a figment of one's imagination pieced together with quotes taken out of context and scenarios constructed with bits and pieces one imagines. So, I smile I say, enjoy the fantasy. We are 5-1, the team has taken on the personality of its head coach. Most recognize it. He will likely be voted the coach of the year. You will discount that too if it happens.... 100% guaranteed.

 

[rcaldw]

To quote your buddy:

Cmon man. I thought YOU were my buddy. I offered you a high five to start the Tuesday.

 

[khiladi]

Khiladi is an all or nothing, unlike most of us. I have the ability to see something (I still believe Romo audibled too often out of run plays in the past; I still believe that Jerry Jones is best when he sticks to owning the Cowboys and closes his mouth as "football guy"), and yet also recognize changes. Romo is playing outstanding. Jones is like a proud father right now. See... reasonable. I do not argue, nor would I ever argue that Jason Garrett never makes a mistake as a head coach. How silly. I argue, and this thread was meant to point it out, that ALL head coaches get criticism. Part of it my friend. Just this season Fisher allowed a delay of game penalty when the Rams were on their final drive trying to upset Philly. It was on a 4th and short. They backed up and didn't convert. Just this year Andy Reid's Chiefs were guilty of 12 men on the field (on defense), and moved the opposing team closer for a FG that ended up being their doom. You see..... that is called the NFL... reasonable. What makes Khiladi different is that he has a narrative he has created in which Jason Garrett hasn't been the head coach, hasn't had a plan, hasn't executed the plan, and therefore has "lucked" into 5-1. He's just along for the ride. Carried on the winds of luck and coordinators. Do I have that right Mr. Bullhorn? I think I do. There is just one problem with it. It is IMAGINARY. It is a figment of one's imagination pieced together with quotes taken out of context and scenarios constructed with bits and pieces one imagines. So, I smile I say, enjoy the fantasy. We are 5-1, the team has taken on the personality of its head coach. Most recognize it. He will likely be voted the coach of the year. You will discount that too if it happens.... 100% guaranteed.

So Jones is now hands off and just sticking to owning the Cowboys, because last year and this off-season you were shouting at the top of your lungs, that he is doing the exact opposite. Ah, now your explanation makes sense... They are 5-1 now, so it must be Garrett... If they didn't, we could see how much Garrett was hamstrung..

 

[mmohican29]

I get the feeling he's like Jimmy Johnson. Big ego. My way or the highway type. Nothing wrong with that. I'll take Johnson or Harbaugh for 3 years over JG for 8.

I want nothing to do with Jim Harbaugh. And BOTH Harbaugh's teams are laden with bad character. He's a frothing attack dog on the sideline, bullying officials and ranting and raving. He has little self control- why would his teams have any at all?

Both Harbaughs are disgusting to me in their own way. John is a bit more subversive, but he's still an all time douchebag.

Keep them away from my team please.

 

[rcaldw]

So Jones is now hands off and just sticking to owning the Cowboys, because last year and this off-season you were shouting at the top of your lungs, that he is doing the exact opposite. Ah, now your explanation makes sense... They are 5-1 now, so it must be Garrett... If they didn't, we could see how much Garrett was hamstrung..

I still think Jerry talks too much. I get weary of him being injury update guy, of him announcing that we are not going to avoid Richard Sherman in our game plan, of him giving us a play by play of his desire to have Johnny Football, and all the rest. I think Jerry will always be Jerry. I give Garrett credit for being able to manage all of that. And I don't know if you pay attention but when you started a thread last week praising Callahan, I gave you a "like" and said I think he's a great coach. You see.... not all... or nothing. I love the team we have put together. I love Linehan's work, Callahan's work, Marinelli's work, and all the rest. And I love our head coach's work. If we continue like this he will be coach of the year and it will be richly deserved.