Garrett: we don’t use those numbers during a game

[HungryLion]

On 105.3 the fan. Jason Garret was asked about the odds of winning a game, based on analytics, between kicking the last FG or going for it on 4th.

Garret said “we don’t use those numbers during the game”.


I am not the type of person that believes analytics are everything and they are the end all be all. I don’t think you always go with the analytics numbers, because opponent and flow of the game are just as important.

That being said, they don’t use them at all during the game? They don’t at least factor those things in when making the decisions?


That is asinine.

 

[Tim93gt]

Ooooo I just heard battle, scratch, claw and fight. This dude needs to be gone.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

That statement sums up the problem, doesn't it?

 

[HungryLion]

He also said. The cowboys practiced inside on Thursday and Friday. Despite knowing the conditions would be terrible during the game.


Garret is a freaking clown.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

He also said. The cowboys practiced inside on Thursday and Friday. Despite knowing the conditions would be terrible during the game.


Garret is a freaking clown.

That must be a joke? No way! I hipe you are joing why on earth would he think that is a good idea...

 

[AmericanCowboy]

On 105.3 the fan. Jason Garret was asked about the odds of winning a game, based on analytics, between kicking the last FG or going for it on 4th.

Garret said “we don’t use those numbers during the game”.


I am not the type of person that believes analytics are everything and they are the end all be all. I don’t think you always go with the analytics numbers, because opponent and flow of the game are just as important.

That being said, they don’t use them at all during the game? That is asinine. They don’t at least factor those things in when making the decisions?


That is asinine.

This guy needs to be fired. He isn't even doing the basics of his job at this point.

 

[Hawkeye19]

He is taking heat for that call... but that was not why we lost. There are a lot more culprits to prosecute and by focusing on that call— we are actually burying the lead

The real story is why this team is flat and unprepared and starts big games so slowly?

Why are our special teams the worst in the NFL and what is his plan to fix it?

Why does this team continue to make the same mental mistakes?

Why is his record against quality competition abysmal?

What exactly is the “Garrett process” and when should the fruits of that process be evident?

 

[HungryLion]

It RAINED in Dallas on Friday. Yet the cowboys practiced indoors. Rather than outside in the rain. Despite knowing it would RAIN during the game.

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Are we really still surprised at this clown's comments? He comes out and says stupid stuff like this after losses everyday.

 

[Haimerej]

I think this whole, "should have gone for the TD," thing is a perfect example of lemmings jumping on a narrative.

It was 4th and 7. The WRs and QB had multiple issues with handling the ball. There was nearly 7 minutes left in the game and but for good field position from turnovers and a blocked punt NE hadn't done much offensively all game. They in fact got points and the ball back with an opportunity for the lead. That situation was played fine.

 

[HungryLion]

He is taking heat for that call... but that was not why we lost. There are a lot more culprits to prosecute and by focusing on that call— we are actually burying the lead

The real story is why this team is flat and unprepared and starts big games so slowly?

Why are our special teams the worst in the NFL and what is his plan to fix it?

Why does this team continue to make the same mental mistakes?

Why is his record against quality competition abysmal?

What exactly is the “Garrett process” and when should the fruits of that process be evident?

Maybe the cowboys should have practiced in the rain when given the chance. Since they knew it was gonna rain during the game. That might help preparation.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

How about just common sense Jason!

 

[HungryLion]

I think this whole, "should have gone for the TD," thing is a perfect example of lemmings jumping on a narrative.

It was 4th and 7. The WRs and QB had multiple issues with handling the ball. There was nearly 7 minutes left in the game and but for good field position from turnovers and a blocked punt NE hadn't done much offensively all game. They in fact got points and the ball back with an opportunity for the lead. That situation was played fine.

the point of the thread is that the head coach admitted that they don’t use fact based analytics to help make in game coaching decisions.

it’s not about whether they kicked or not. It’s about the fact that the coach didn’t even consider all the data possible before making that decision.

it’s foolish and it’s arrogance.

 

[John813]

It RAINED in Dallas on Friday. Yet the cowboys practiced indoors. Rather than outside in the rain. Despite knowing it would RAIN during the game.

And get wet? Ew.

 

[Sydla]

On 105.3 the fan. Jason Garret was asked about the odds of winning a game, based on analytics, between kicking the last FG or going for it on 4th.

Garret said “we don’t use those numbers during the game”.


I am not the type of person that believes analytics are everything and they are the end all be all. I don’t think you always go with the analytics numbers, because opponent and flow of the game are just as important.

That being said, they don’t use them at all during the game? They don’t at least factor those things in when making the decisions?


That is asinine.

LOL.

He's an old school clown in an NFL that has passed him and his thinking by.

Most teams utilize this stuff. You have the extremes, like Doug Pederson, who uses analytics to an extreme that results in some really bizarre decisions but other coaches, such as the guy standing on the other sideline yesterday, blend it with their own coaching philosophies and gut instincts.

I'll be honest, as much as I want to have some playoff football here this January, the notion that making the playoffs could save this guy's job makes me nauseous.

 

[visionary]

On 105.3 the fan. Jason Garret was asked about the odds of winning a game, based on analytics, between kicking the last FG or going for it on 4th.

Garret said “we don’t use those numbers during the game”.


I am not the type of person that believes analytics are everything and they are the end all be all. I don’t think you always go with the analytics numbers, because opponent and flow of the game are just as important.

That being said, they don’t use them at all during the game? They don’t at least factor those things in when making the decisions?


That is asinine.

that’s moron Garrett for you

 

[408Cowboy]

I thought he peaked in the pathetic department. I was wrong.

 

[Sydla]

I think this whole, "should have gone for the TD," thing is a perfect example of lemmings jumping on a narrative.

It was 4th and 7. The WRs and QB had multiple issues with handling the ball. There was nearly 7 minutes left in the game and but for good field position from turnovers and a blocked punt NE hadn't done much offensively all game. They in fact got points and the ball back with an opportunity for the lead. That situation was played fine.

The flip side is this offense hadn't gotten in the red zone all game prior to that so what made you think they could do that on back to back drives? Further, the main point is that Garrett just admitted they basically eschew most, if not all, statistical analysis that shows probabilities of success/failure in that situation. In an NFL were data has become an advantage for some teams, Garrett just said we don't bother with it and basically go with his gut.

That's horrendous.

And as noted by some analysts, if you understand the data, the reality is that a coach worth his salt understands he has two plays to get seven yards starting on third down, so he can run the ball, for example, pick up 5 yards possibly, and put himself in a way more manageable 4th down situation.

It was just another example of conservative Garrett.

 

[charron]

FG on 4th and 7 is the right call cause if yall remember we had incompletions on 2nd and 7, 3rd and 7, and we probably can't run for 7 so we'd be throwing again and that didn't favor us last night. If we fail to get any points there we lose with no chance to come back. What should have happened is a run play on 2nd and 7, then if we are looking at 4th and 3 or shorter we can go for it but 4th and 7 is too far and this team wasn't going to get it.

 

[Haimerej]

the point of the thread is that the head coach admitted that they don’t use fact based analytics to help make in game coaching decisions.

it’s not about whether they kicked or not. It’s about the fact that the coach didn’t even consider all the data possible before making that decision.

it’s foolish and it’s arrogance.

Whatever. They made the right call for that point in the game. They go for it and fail you guys would whine about not getting points.