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SURE but it wasnt that way, was it...

No, it didn't, but the all the Cowboys can do is make decisions based on the circumstances they are faced with. The decision they had was keeping both Jarwin and Rico, or only keeping Rico and losing Jarwin. Since they like Jarwin it was a no brainer to make the decision that kept both.
 

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DALLAS carried Witten, swaim and Hanna last year..Wound up bringing up Jarwin, however i think Hanna was hurt during the season...I understand what you are saying, my point us that we are in that same position this year, because of last years...dabbling..Now we are about to duet again.

WE should stop drafting projects at two, and stop dabbling on luxury players on developmemt time...

We aren't in the same position as last year. There is no concussion this season (at least so far) and there aren't 3 TE's ahead of him on the depth chart the way there would have been last year when he was eligible to come off the DL. Swaim may be very slightly at the top of the depth chart for now, but it's a wide open position that is available for any of the 4 (Swaim, Rico, Jarwin, Schultz) to take control of.
 

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Im not suggesting they should have gone long on TE..However NOAH we did, and instead of having a specialist receiver, how bout a potential TE..K? IF TEAMS COMMUNICATE with players on the practice squad, thats a violation, they can only sign in the waiver period..They didnt have to bring Jarwin up!

That's not accurate about the practice squad. Any team can sign a player off another team's practice squad, with the caveat being that the team that signs the player has to keep that player on the active roster or the player will revert back.
 

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That's not accurate about the practice squad. Any team can sign a player off another team's practice squad, with the caveat being that the team that signs the player has to keep that player on the active roster or the player will revert back.


Huh...Thats strange, when did they make that change..
 

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I Dont think you can say that.If the cowboys usually carry three tight ends, but they carry four coz Rico then they are going to affect other positions they have a larger need run lighter like wr, qb, other positions..for instance Noah was considered a lock..I dont think so now with all of the rooks and Fas!
 

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  • I Found it and stand corrected, however you have to put them on the active roster of the team that poaches the player..

  • A practice squad player can be signed by another team, as long as the signing team adds the player to the 53-man roster. A practice squad player cannot be signed to another team’s practice squad.
  • A player can, however, be signed to another team’s practice squad if their original team releases them.
  • An opponent cannot sign a player off of a rival’s practice squad to use them to prepare for an upcoming game. Say the Saints are getting ready to play the Falcons, and Sean Payton wants to be sneaky, so New Orleans wants to sign a player off of Atlanta’s practice squad. The Saints can’t do that fewer than five days before the game against the Falcons, and if there’s a bye week before that matchup, the minimum is nine days.
 

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Huh...Thats strange, when did they make that change..

I don't know when that became the rule, but it's been that way at least a number of years now. I just looked it up though, and I got one part wrong. The rights don't revert to the prior team if the signing team doesn't keep the player on the active roster. The signing team has to keep, or at least pay the player as an active roster player for a minimum of 3 weeks, after which the team can either keep him on the active roster, put him on their practice squad or release him.

The idea I'm sure is that practice squad players cannot play games and are making minimum wage by NFL standards, and therefore shouldn't be deprived of the opportunity to become an active NFL player. In essence, practice squad players are "temps" getting paid week to week.
 

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I don't know when that became the rule, but it's been that way at least a number of years now. I just looked it up though, and I got one part wrong. The rights don't revert to the prior team if the signing team doesn't keep the player on the active roster. The signing team has to keep, or at least pay the player as an active roster player for a minimum of 3 weeks, after which the team can either keep him on the active roster, put him on their practice squad or release him.

The idea I'm sure is that practice squad players cannot play games and are making minimum wage by NFL standards, and therefore shouldn't be deprived of the opportunity to become an active NFL player. In essence, practice squad players are "temps" getting paid week to week.

I THINK you get what im saying though .. One The player doesnt have to sign a contract, and b, the team signing will have to release a player...We assume that Jarwin would have signed..In otherwords Stephen was forced to bring Jarwin up coz two potential players who have produced nothing..Thats not good business..Jarwin to date has produced nothing and Rico who although has not produced much more got the business..Lol.. They didnt have to release jarwin, Jarwin would have had to agree to a contract...
 

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I think this was some bs by Philly but it was legal, and im sure the Cowboys have done it to other teams..Allegedly Philly wanted Jarwin in the draft or as a UDFA AND WE SNAGGED him out from underneath them.
 

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I THINK you get what im saying though .. One The player doesnt have to sign a contract, and b, the team signing will have to release a player...We assume that Jarwin would have signed..In otherwords Stephen was forced to bring Jarwin up coz two potential players who have produced nothing..Thats not good business..Jarwin to date has produced nothing and Rico who although has not produced much more got the business..Lol.. They didnt have to release jarwin, Jarwin would have had to agree to a contract...

No, Jarwin didn't have to sign a contract with Philly, but given the choice of being an active player with the paycheck and opportunities of an active player, and staying on a practice squad, odds are Jarwin would have been a goner. Accordingly, it still came down to doing it the way the Cowboys did and keep both players, or letting Philly sign Jarwin and keep only one of the two. That still seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
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If Garret let's him walk. Hes an idiot. And if he does make the roster and doesnt get see the field. Well once again. Idiot Garrett.
I know I know blocking. Yet other teams play te's who dont block.

He's looking pretty good, glad to see him working at it. I think he'll do big things given the opportunity.
 

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No, Jarwin didn't have to sign a contract with Philly, but given the choice of being an active player with the paycheck and opportunities of an active player, and staying on a practice squad, odds are Jarwin would have been a goner. Accordingly, it still came down to doing it the way the Cowboys did and keep both players, or letting Philly sign Jarwin and keep only one of the two. That still seems like a no-brainer to me.

BRO im saying they should not have..Sixth rounder. Or a udfa that neither has produced!
 

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Further, maybe they should not have put themselves in that position...Jarwin we signed you, we want you, but you are not ready, We could pull you up to be inactive on game day, or leave you to learn on the practice squad..Philly will have to put you on the roster, and you will be inactive on game day..It takes time to develop in the Nfl....I cant tell that it wont be for more money or not, but you have to ask yourself a question, do you want to play for the Cowboys, and be brought along methodically by a proven method or go play for Phily for a promise and a lil more money?
 

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I still think Rico should be our lead tight end (Jimmy Graham), but Swaim should be our primary in-line blocking tight end. Then we have Dalton Schultz who hopefully will mature into the Swaim role once Swaim is gone after this season. Jarwin is the wildcard, we can keep all 4 or put Jarwin on the PS for now.
 

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Witten solid for sure, but in formations like the double tightend wing, interchangeable tightends (both can do all) then you have to have confidence in both, so you dont tip your hand..Alot of times second tight ends are successful becaue the dcords work the percentages and realize second te will not get targeted much..

Last year they had to stay in alot to cover for oline that was struggling..Really i thought they didnt keep them in enough, or get specific help to the tackles!
The Atlanta game was a head scratcher for me. Dak was getting killed and the O line was horrible and it seemed they never brought in some help.
 

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BRO im saying they should not have..Sixth rounder. Or a udfa that neither has produced!

I'm not sure what you are saying - is it that the 6th rounder should have been activated and the UDFA should have been allowed to be stolen by another team? UDFA or 6th rounder - neither is considered a top NFL prospect, and since the team like both as developmental players, I don't understand why the team wouldn't keep both if there was a way. It's not like Rico had yet produced either, and because they did it the way they did, neither had to be sacrificed. Besides, even if Rico had been activated he likely would have barely seen the field just like Jarwin did.
 

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I still think Rico should be our lead tight end (Jimmy Graham), but Swaim should be our primary in-line blocking tight end. Then we have Dalton Schultz who hopefully will mature into the Swaim role once Swaim is gone after this season. Jarwin is the wildcard, we can keep all 4 or put Jarwin on the PS for now.

No..Swaim is the best tightend for the job..Period..Shultzy is sexy im sure to the person unemcumbered by research..RICO is not ready, neither are the other two..

Im hoping Jarwin can get up to speed quickly..Rico will be used sparingly if he makes the team, i imagine Shultzy will get some snaps, but the Cowboys will bring him along slow, so he can learn..They do this to every TE who walks through the door..
 

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Further, maybe they should not have put themselves in that position...Jarwin we signed you, we want you, but you are not ready, We could pull you up to be inactive on game day, or leave you to learn on the practice squad..Philly will have to put you on the roster, and you will be inactive on game day..It takes time to develop in the Nfl....I cant tell that it wont be for more money or not, but you have to ask yourself a question, do you want to play for the Cowboys, and be brought along methodically by a proven method or go play for Phily for a promise and a lil more money?

What proven method? Dallas didn't exactly have a track record of developing young TEs playing behind Witten.
 
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