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Witten solid for sure, but in formations like the double tightend wing, interchangeable tightends (both can do all) then you have to have confidence in both, so you dont tip your hand..Alot of times second tight ends are successful becaue the dcords work the percentages and realize second te will not get targeted much..

Last year they had to stay in alot to cover for oline that was struggling..Really i thought they didnt keep them in enough, or get specific help to the tackles!
 
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Not going to say you are wrong but evidently Cowboys did not want to release a player to make room on the 53 man roster at that stage. I clearly see your point of getting Rico in but organization evidently were not ready to bring him up and release a player to do so

IM basing my opinion of what i have read, but Cowboys alibi Stephen has been doing too much stashing of players...They need to stop developing players over a year, unlesz real good reason..It keeps u from making decisions..
 

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He doesnt do that consistently..or hasnt up till now..i agree he didnt do it in the regular season..Im going to be very clear, Rico could have passed the concussion protocal the second week of the season, Stephen saw a way to protect him from other teams with the ir exception, the problem was after all of us read, that they wanted to protect Jarwin from Philly..

Rico was available to come off The Exception Ir 7 games in, in my opinion they should have activated him and found out last season..So some of this on Stephen.

I'm not sure they could have found out much last year with 5 TEs on the roster. With the team still hoping to make the playoffs the team likely would have stuck mainly with the guys they did instead of giving notable time to someone they weren't convinced was ready.
 

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IM basing my opinion of what i have read, But Cowboys alibi Stephen hadls been doing too much stashing of players...They need to stop developing players over a year, unlesz real good reason..It keeps u from making decisions..

A guy having not played football since he was 13 is a pretty good reason to expect it may take more than one year to develop him.
 

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IM basing my opinion of what i have read, but Cowboys alibi Stephen has been doing too much stashing of players...They need to stop developing players over a year, unlesz real good reason..It keeps u from making decisions..

I understand but I also get that even though we the fans are not seeing him on the field, the coaches are seeing him though out the season at the facility and in practice. I think if they were sold 100% he was ready he would have been brought up. In the meantime the IR allowed the more time without risking him being picked up. I'm not saying your wrong but I could see both sides of this argument.
 

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A guy having not played football since he was 13 is a pretty good reason to expect it may take more than one year to develop him.

And you have to admit they have delayed the decision long enough. IT GETS to the point of you fearing another team will get their potential.. Thats going to happen some time no matter what you do..
 

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I understand but I also get that even though we the fans are not seeing him on the field, the coaches are seeing him though out the season at the facility and in practice. I think if they were sold 100% he was ready he would have been brought up. In the meantime the IR allowed the more time without risking him being picked up. I'm not saying your wrong but I could see both sides of this argument.

SURE but from outside looking in, Id say we blaming Garrett for this, when in truth Stephen sent him to the ir, and decided not to take him off....

Futher we are questioning the coaches decision in most cases, not whether Rico is being pigheaded..I like to think my coaches are better at dealing with player issues like this..And i think they are, when they get to..

Garret is displaying a vibe about Rico of frustration..In other words he probly would have moved on already, and probly because he doesnt want other players seeing Rico acting immature and getting away with it..That make sense? Yes you have to bend to abovs avg players..If they have produced something..Rico hasnt!
 

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And you have to admit they have delayed the decision long enough. IT GETS to the point of you fearing another team will get their potential.. Thats going to happen some time no matter what you do..

It's been 2 years, the second of which involved a concussion they weren't planning on. And, again, by the time he was eligible to come of the DL they really weren't in a position to spend time getting a look at people for the future - they were trying to win in the present. And, of course, Jarwin was added to the roster about that time, so a 5th TE wouldn't have gotten to play much anyway. In any case, I don't see it as inevitable that Rico is going to make a mark anyway. He may, but that is far from known at this point.
 

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SURE but from outside looking in, Id say we blaming Garrett for this, when in truth Stephen sent him to the ir, and decided not to take him off....Futher we are questioning the coaches decision in most cases, not whether Rico is being pigheaded..I like to think my coaches are better at dealing with player issues like this..And i think they are, when they gey to..

The player issue you are referring to is only an issue if a person is convinced Rico is certain to make a mark in the NFL. I think that's far from a certainty, therefore in my mind it's far from certain that Rico should have been added to the roster once he was eligible. 5 TEs is a lot to have on the roster.
 

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The player issue you are referring to is only an issue if a person is convinced Rico is certain to make a mark in the NFL. I think that's far from a certainty, therefore in my mind it's far from certain that Rico should have been added to the roster once he was eligible. 5 TEs is a lot to have on the roster.

Or four like we carry this year but limits in wr, or decisions may force that!
 

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You are getting closer to what im saying now..They could have carried Rico on the squad last season, but they went long on dline, wr, and somewhere else cant rememb...They probly going to do that again this season.
 

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It's been 2 years, the second of which involved a concussion they weren't planning on. And, again, by the time he was eligible to come of the DL they really weren't in a position to spend time getting a look at people for the future - they were trying to win in the present. And, of course, Jarwin was added to the roster about that time, so a 5th TE wouldn't have gotten to play much anyway. In any case, I don't see it as inevitable that Rico is going to make a mark anyway. He may, but that is far from known at this point.

And what did Jarwin accomplish? Nada..Or at least nothing showing up on the statline..Thats the other side of it..Bring you up, and make u inactive on game day!

My Thoughts are A. They were playing with the ir exception, and B. They were trying to get Ricos attention..If you find that video of him both dominating 2nd and third teams catching, then missing blocks left and right the dichotomy is pretty clear.

I just dont like to see them get in numbers crush on potential..they have been playing the potential game too much..last year with the way Rico played before the cuncussion i would have not put him on the Ir, and carried him, and found out what he was.. just saying.
 
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SURE but from outside looking in, Id say we blaming Garrett for this, when in truth Stephen sent him to the ir, and decided not to take him off....

Futher we are questioning the coaches decision in most cases, not whether Rico is being pigheaded..I like to think my coaches are better at dealing with player issues like this..And i think they are, when they get to..

Garret is displaying a vibe about Rico of frustration..In other words he probly would have moved on already, and probly because he doesnt want other players seeing Rico acting immature and getting away with it..That make sense? Yes you have to bend to abovs avg players..If they have produced something..Rico hasnt!

True, Witten being here there was no pressure they would afford to take their time, Witten is now gone and the time is now, 2 or 3 TE will make the team and for me I hope the best 3 guys win it outright if Rico is one of them great and if not then I'm good with that. I have always said I have 80 pet cats at the start of training camp, I want every guy out there impressing and working to get a role on this team.
 

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I'm always amazed watching Rico catch the ball. It looks effortless and he looks to be a natural in that area. I know that blocking is an aspect of the TE position, but I also know that there are teams that employ "receiving " and "blocking" TE's. If Gathers presents that good of a receiving target and threat and mismatches for opposing defenses, he should make this team.
 

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You are getting closer to what im saying now..They could have carried Rico on the squad last season, but they went long on dline, wr, and somewhere else cant rememb...They probly going to do that again this season.

Going with 5 TEs would have caused the team to go short on other positions, and again, how much would a 5th TE have been used, especially one that doesn't play special teams?
 

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And what did Jarwin accomplish? Nada..Or at least nothing showing up on the statline..Thats the other side of it..Bring you up, and make u inactive on game day!

My Thoughts are A. They were playing with the ir exception, and B. They were trying to get Ricos attention..If you find that video of him both dominating 2nd and third teams catching, then missing blocks left and right the dichotomy is pretty clear.

I just dont like to see them get in numbers crush on potential..they have been playing the potential game too much..last year with the way Rico played before the cuncussion i would have not put him on the Ir, and carried him, and found out what he was.. just saying.

What was accomplished by putting Jarwin on the roster is that we didn't lose him to Philly. The point is they didn't even need 4 TE's, much less 5, and only went with the 4th to keep another team from signing him. Had it been Jarwin on the DL and Rico on the practice squad about to get signed by another team Rico would have been the one activated and Jarwin would have stayed on the DL.
 

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Going with 5 TEs would have caused the team to go short on other positions, and again, how much would a 5th TE have been used, especially one that doesn't play special teams?

DALLAS carried Witten, swaim and Hanna last year..Wound up bringing up Jarwin, however i think Hanna was hurt during the season...I understand what you are saying, my point us that we are in that same position this year, because of last years...dabbling..Now we are about to duet again.

WE should stop drafting projects at two, and stop dabbling on luxury players on developmemt time...
 

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What was accomplished by putting Jarwin on the roster is that we didn't lose him to Philly. The point is they didn't even need 4 TE's, much less 5, and only went with the 4th to keep another team from signing him. Had it been Jarwin on the DL and Rico on the practice squad about to get signed by another team Rico would have been the one activated and Jarwin would have stayed on the DL.

SURE but it wasnt that way, was it...
 

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Im not suggesting they should have gone long on TE..However NOAH we did, and instead of having a specialist receiver, how bout a potential TE..K? IF TEAMS COMMUNICATE with players on the practice squad, thats a violation, they can only sign in the waiver period..They didnt have to bring Jarwin up!
 
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