Gavin Escobar?

[dupree89]

Happens to a lot of teams every year. Even good ones. .

I agree with this. But the good ones overcome the occasional bad draft pick and still find ways to win playoff games. When you're doing things right and winning, a bad pick is overlooked. But when the GM has been terrible for 15 years and the current head coach has demonstrated very little ability, then they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Picksix]

I agree with this. But the good ones overcome the occasional bad draft pick and still find ways to win playoff games. When you're doing things right and winning, a bad pick is overlooked. But when the GM has been terrible for 15 years and the current head coach has demonstrated very little ability, then they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

You're right. Belichek's had a ton of bad picks over the past few years. But he still has Brady, and he keeps winning divisions and playoff games, so he gets a pass. We aren't near that point.

 

[dupree89]

You're right. Belichek's had a ton of bad picks over the past few years. But he still has Brady, and he keeps winning divisions and playoff games, so he gets a pass. We aren't near that point.

Yep. And thats why Brady is regarded as an all time great. And I totally agree that Belichek can screw stuff up sometimes....but winning Super Bowls erase the mistakes.

 

[Iron_Man]

I am expecting Gavin 2.0 to be selected in round 2 next spring.

-What's the deal with him?

-I'm not trying to hate on the guy, but he's been so bad at blocking that we can't even keep him on the field. I know he's young, but when you use a 2nd rounder on someone, you expect him to play, don't you?

-I'm starting to think we could've used that that pick on a position of need like DT or DE.. or even O-Line. Anything really. Especially with Hanna playing a bigger role this season.

-I'm not giving up on him cause he's young and he may very well develop into a nice player, but I really hate watching high draft picks sit on the sidelines. Just my personal opinion.

 

[Seven]

Gavin. Escobar. Cool name.

Sounds like a snack.

 

[Hoofbite]

What's with this myth that our 2nd round TEs can't play? Anthony Fasano and Martellus Bennett have been productive starters since leaving the Cowboys. If Escobar's a bust, he'd be the first.

The problem with those other guys was that they played behind Witten so their opportunities were obviously limited. It's a valid question to ask, "Why are we using a 2nd rounder on a TE when we already have a great one?" But neither Fasano nor Bennett qualify as "busts" by any standard.

No team in the NFL is trying to be a farm system for the rest of the league.

If you draft a guy and get nothing from him he's a bust regardless of whether or not another team can turn him around.

A miss is a miss. If you get nothing from him, it's a miss. Why it was a miss may be up for debate but ultimately you got nothing from that player.

Should we praise the Rams for drafting George Selvie in 2010 even though he didn't do anything for them or 3 other teams before looking like a good player with Dallas?

 

[Hoofbite]

We drafted Escobar in an attempt to improve the 2 TE set. But I also think we did it with the idea that he would be Witten's replacement by 2015.

Which would be an idiotic move if there ever was one.

I wish the team had this sort of determination with finding a QB for the future. Hell, I wish they had it back in the day so we didn't have to watch Crater, Hutch, Henson, Testeverde and a bunch of others.

 

[Bullflop]

Gavin's poor blocking is only exceeded by his inability to get open. So far, the only thing he's proven is that he's been an epically over-evaluated player for a 2nd rounder. It's a shame we couldn't have done better at a more needful position than TE. The two TE offense was just conceptual, a dream -- never close to functional. Baarrf.

 

[Nav22]

No team in the NFL is trying to be a farm system for the rest of the league.

If you draft a guy and get nothing from him he's a bust regardless of whether or not another team can turn him around.

A miss is a miss. If you get nothing from him, it's a miss. Why it was a miss may be up for debate but ultimately you got nothing from that player.

Should we praise the Rams for drafting George Selvie in 2010 even though he didn't do anything for them or 3 other teams before looking like a good player with Dallas?

You can question whether it was wise to spend 2nd rounders on #2 TEs, but I don't consider Fasano nor Bennett to be misses. When you play behind Jason Witten in a pass-happy offense that plays a lot of 3 WR sets, you're not getting many receiving opportunities. Their primary roles were to block and play special teams and I think they were both solid in those roles. And they occasionally made plays catching the ball too. It didn't surprise me in the least when each of them proved to be capable starters elsewhere.

Another thing to consider: they were solid insurance policies for one of our very best players, a future HOF TE. It's not their fault Witten never got hurt. It's easy to say "we didn't need them" after the fact. But if Witten were to have missed significant time with an injury, I think Fasano/Bennett would've played well in his absence and fans would be praising the pick.

 

[Macnalty]

I will admit Escobar has looked like a confused puppy on the field sometimes.
Just to give some perspective to people who have forgotten, Jason Witten his rookie year avg 9.9 yds, Gavin Escobar is currently 16.3yds per catch (both had very few catches the rookie year) he is only going to get better once he knocks off some of the rookie pixie dust. He is playing like a normal rookie, Frederick, Wilcox, Heath, and T Williams is not the norm(4 rookie starters) they are like picking the right numbers in the lottery with a quickpick. Escobar is not the reason for this poor offense he has to get minutes to understand this game and yes he is on par with what Witten displayed as a blocker his rookie year. Hey you can really start to gripe on him his third year if you can wait as that was when we knew what we had in Witten.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Drop the fixation of hate, dude. Garrett didn't draft the guy. Garrett doesn't draft anyone. If you are going to hate save it for someone worth it: Jerry.

Garrett has always wanted to install a two tightend set. He wanted to bring that same offense that the Patriots run. Heck, he was even coaching Romo how to be more like Brady. This happened as soon was he was promoted to OC. Not a question of hate with Garrett. Its just as it is. The two tightend set has failed in Dallas. Yet we keep trying to get it working. That sounds like insanity to me.

 

[ConstantReboot]

no. This is all wrong and you should feel bad for being wrong.


Fasano was drafted by Parcells and traded later. Parcells and Payton wanted to implement the 12. Bill had run it successfully at other places.

Garrett drafted Bennett. Who (admittedly) hated playing here because of Witten.

both of those guys have bounced around the league and have been somewhat successful players.

but the one thing I do wholly agree with you is that we dont make the 12 a focal point of our offense. It makes no sense in my mind why we drafted Escobar. Total head scratcher.

Your right in a way. Parcells did draft Fasano to try and get that 12 set going. I don't think it was Paytons idea though to try and get the 12 set implemented here. Remember, Payton loved opening up the offense and it wasn't through the 12 formation. I believe Parcells forced it on him.

What my point is that although Parcells drafted Fasano and tried to get the 12 set implemented, Garrett continued with this idiocy. It does sound good on paper. But its been a failure so far.

Garrett should just go with what the offense is best at doing. That is to run the spread formation, 3 receivers, 1 back, 1 TE. Have someone in motion, etc. Garrett has done nothing to innovate any type of meaningful change. His philosophy has been a disaster.

 

[IAmLegend]

Gavin's poor blocking is only exceeded by his inability to get open. So far, the only thing he's proven is that he's been an epically over-evaluated player for a 2nd rounder. It's a shame we couldn't have done better at a more needful position than TE. The two TE offense was just conceptual, a dream -- never close to functional. Baarrf.

Johnathon Hankins or Edie Lacy would've filled much bigger needs. Even Le'Veon Bell. Like I saidm it's still early, but I hate seeing top picks squandered

 

[xwalker]

Hankins is not really a Marinelli style DT. He best skill was as a run stopper. Hankins has been active for 4 games this season with 5 total tackles.

Lacy would have been a good pick; although, I don't know if he would be having success with the Cowboys this season. They are just too predictable in run/pass based on formation for any RB to have great success.

 

[JBond]

He is another failed experiment of Garrett. We have spent considerable resources, time and energy in trying to get a formidable two tight end set going. Garrett wanted to copy the same exact offense as the Patriots. However, his excuse is that we don't have the personnel. Thus we spent on 3 TEs in the 2nd round - two have been a bust and Gavin is looking like that his heading that way.

Garrett is trying to force round pegs into square holes. The 12 formation doesn't fit this team. We should have never gone away from the fullback running formations or just make the spread offense our main formation and create certain plays from that formation. The two tightend set in Dallas has been a bust. But Garrett keeps trying to install is as our bread and butter offense. He is too stubborn.

No worries. We have a second round pick in April. He will get his man then. After that it is all downhill. The 12 will dominate and we will win back to back titles. Trust me. I know what I am talking about. Nothing can stop the 12. We ran a version of it when I was 8 years old in pee-wee. Unstoppable I tell you!

 

[Beast_from_East]

They knew coming in that he couldn't block much they said as much in the draft press conference. The idea was that with his long arms and tall frame he could put on enough strength to become a very good blocker eventually. They knew he was a bit of a project.

The biggest key for him is what does he do after this off season with an NFL strength and conditioning program. Once he gets to training camp next year I think we will have a better idea as to how his career is going to go. Still too early for me at this point.

LOL..................perennial 500 team drafting projects in the freaking 2nd round.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You can question whether it was wise to spend 2nd rounders on #2 TEs, but I don't consider Fasano nor Bennett to be misses. When you play behind Jason Witten in a pass-happy offense that plays a lot of 3 WR sets, you're not getting many receiving opportunities. Their primary roles were to block and play special teams and I think they were both solid in those roles. And they occasionally made plays catching the ball too. It didn't surprise me in the least when each of them proved to be capable starters elsewhere.

Another thing to consider: they were solid insurance policies for one of our very best players, a future HOF TE. It's not their fault Witten never got hurt. It's easy to say "we didn't need them" after the fact. But if Witten were to have missed significant time with an injury, I think Fasano/Bennett would've played well in his absence and fans would be praising the pick.

So we are drafting insurance policies in the 2nd round?


I didnt realize our roster was this loaded, that we got a bunch of studs all over the place and can blow a 2nd round pick on an insurance policy.


Shouldnt a team be drafting starters before they start drafting backups that will never see the field unless somebody gets hurt?

 

[Blackspider214]

Just a terrible terrible pick. We had no need for a TE at the time and it was supposed to be for turning our offense into 12 personal. And yet we don't run that at all. This guy is not even physically strong enough for the NFL according to many.

Great job front office!

 

[Zekeats]

Gavin who?

 

[jnday]

The best TE in the draft was available for Dallas if that is what they wanted. I didn't see a need for a TE, but why not go ahead a get a future all-pro? It was a dumb pick any way you look at it, but I have been told that recent drafts are great.