George Teague

[Randy White]

misinformation that's hard to choose where to start.. George Teague WAS an upgrade over Marion, PERIOD.

Brock Marion as a Dallas Cowboy:

5 years, 43 starts: 8 intercetions ( 1 TD ), *243 tackles ( including special team ), *47 assists ( including special teams ), 1 forced fumble, 3 fumble recovered. 0 passes defended.


George Teague as a Dallas Cowboy:

5 years, 52 starts: 7 interceptions ( 2 TDs ), *208 tackles ( including special teams ), *57 assists ( including special teams ), 4 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovered. 6 passes defended.

And unlike Marion, Teague was a team leader from the moment he got to that lockerroom until the day he retired.


Next:

" Brock Marion played with lesser talent with the Dullphins than he had in Dallas ".

That is true. Brock Marion played with some of the deepest most talented defenses in NFL history in his years in Dallas.

What's also true is that Brock Marion played with a hell of alot more talent in Miami than George Teague did in Dallas. By the time Teague came back aboard in '98, the Cowboys defense was a shell of it's former self. Greg Ellis ( a rookie ) was the best pass rusher Dallas had, Leon Lett was a has been because of suspensions and injuries, Kevin Smith injured his achilles in '95, basically ending his career even though he hung around for 3 more years ( mostly because Jerrah signed him to a big contract the year he got injured and he couldn't cut him because of the salary cap ), the best DT the Cowboys had was Chad Hennings, the LBs were Randall Godfrey, Fred Strickland and rookie Dexter Coakley, and the best player was Woody. Deion Sanders was starting to decline.

Meanwhile, Brock Marion went on to play the rest of his career with at the time ALL PRO and now future HOF Jason Taylor, massive PRO BOWL defensive tackles Tim Bowens and Darryl Gardner, LBs: Pro Bowler Zach Thomas, Robert Jones and Derrick Rodgers, BUT, what's more important than anything else is this:

RCB: Sam Madison ( All Pro )
LCB: Patrick Surtain ( All Pro )

Those 2 guys right there, along with Jason Taylor's pass rush and Gardner and Bowens push from the inside, gave Marion the freedom that Teague never had in Dallas, even with Deion, which is why he put up better numbers down here than Teague did in Dallas. Marion had the luxury of playing with legendary defenses in Dallas, and dominant defenses down here, while Teague played his entire career with, at best, solid defenses.

enough of the revisionist history already..

 

[KJJ]

misinformation that's hard to choose where to start.. George Teague WAS an upgrade over Marion, PERIOD.

I don't see where the stats you posted back that up. Even though Teague and Marion both played 5 years for the Cowboys Marion still had 35 more tackles and one more int even though he started 9 fewer games. If you look at their entire careers Marion was clearly a more productive player having more than double the int's that Teague had. When you play in the secondary you're judged alot on int's and Marion had 31 career picks. He had more starts, tackles and his career lasted 3 years longer than Teague's plus he contributed on 2 championship teams.

And unlike Marion, Teague was a team leader from the moment he got to that lockerroom until the day he retired.

The moment Teague stepped into the lockerroom he was entering his 4th year in the league with a Cowboys team that was in decline while Marion was a rookie on a Cowboys team that just won a SB. That team already had alot of leadership. It wasn't like Marion was going to come in as a rookie and be a leader with a team that had 5 future Hall Of Famers on it. Granted Teague was a leader and he showed it when he decked TO after he ran out to the star.

That is true. Brock Marion played with some of the deepest most talented defenses in NFL history in his years in Dallas.

That shows just how good Marion was to be able make that team and eventually start. Jimmy didn't keep dead weight around. Marion started all 16 games in 95 the year the Cowboys won SB XXX. He had 6 picks that season which was 2 more than Teague ever had with the Cowboys.

What's also true is that Brock Marion played with a hell of alot more talent in Miami than George Teague did in Dallas.

I got news for you Teague played with the same players in Miami in 97 that Marion played with in 98. Teague lasted only one year in Miami and had only 6 starts. Marion took over for him in 98 and started every game except one the next 5 years. Teague only had 2 seasons in his 9 year career where he started all 16 games. Marion started all 16 games 8 times during his 12 year career.

By the time Teague came back aboard in '98, the Cowboys defense was a shell of it's former self.

True and this gave Teague alot more opportunity to make plays in the secondary because our DL and LB's weren't as good. Free agency had robbed the Cowboys of alot of talent and they weren't able to replenish it in the draft.

Meanwhile, Brock Marion went on to play the rest of his career with at the time ALL PRO and now future HOF Jason Taylor, massive PRO BOWL defensive tackles Tim Bowens and Darryl Gardner, LBs: Pro Bowler Zach Thomas, Robert Jones and Derrick Rodgers, BUT, what's more important than anything else is this:

RCB: Sam Madison ( All Pro )
LCB: Patrick Surtain ( All Pro )

Those 2 guys right there, along with Jason Taylor's pass rush and Gardner and Bowens push from the inside, gave Marion the freedom that Teague never had in Dallas, even with Deion, which is why he put up better numbers down here than Teague did in Dallas. Marion had the luxury of playing with legendary defenses in Dallas, and dominant defenses down here, while Teague played his entire career with, at best, solid defenses.

Right he went to Miami and replaced Teague. Marion was good enough to start every game for 5 years with a talented Dolphin team. You have to be a very good player to a crack a starting lineup with a talented team and did on an incredibly talented Cowboys team that ended up being the team of the 90's and he did it in Miami.

 

[Randy White]

I don't see where the stats you posted back that up. Even though Teague and Marion both played 5 years for the Cowboys Marion still had 35 more tackles and one more int even though he started 9 fewer games.

a) Marion played with a MUCH better supporting cast than Teague did with in Dallas.

b) Tackles are overrated. Especially since in both cases SPECIAL TEAMS tackles are counted. If you want to say that Marion was a better special team player than Teague, I won't argue it because he was.

c) Brock Marion did not have ONE pass defended in his ENTIRE career as a Cowboy. Not ONE. Teague had 6 in one year. 1 less INT, but 2 more TDs, force more fumbles, and, once again, putting the stats aside: Teague was a leader on the team, something Marion was not.

If you look at their entire careers Marion was clearly a more productive player having more than double the int's that Teague had. When you play in the secondary you're judged alot on int's and Marion had 31 career picks. He had more starts, tackles and his career lasted 3 years longer than Teague's plus he contributed on 2 championship teams.

Marion also played with alot more talent in Dallas AND down here, than Teague did in his career with Dallas, Green Bay and Atlanta. And this isn't about who had the better career, but who was the better player in Dallas.

The moment Teague stepped into the lockerroom he was entering his 4th year in the league with a Cowboys team that was in decline while Marion was a rookie on a Cowboys team that just won a SB. That team already had alot of leadership. It wasn't like Marion was going to come in as a rookie and be a leader with a team that had 5 future Hall Of Famers on it. Granted Teague was a leader and he showed it when he decked TO after he ran out to the star.

a) Teague was a leader LONG before he decked T.O. As a matter of fact, he was the leader of the secondary when he and Marion played together, not Marion.

b) Wether he didn't have the opportunity or it wasn't in his nature, Marion wasn't a leader in Dallas nor was he a leader down here either. He was a good player who was very fortunate to play with the kind of talent he played with in his entire career.

That shows just how good Marion was to be able make that team and eventually start. Jimmy didn't keep dead weight around. Marion started all 16 games in 95 the year the Cowboys won SB XXX. He had 6 picks that season which was 2 more than Teague ever had with the Cowboys.

a) Nobody said he wasn't good.

b) You're wrong. Marion had 8 career interceptions with the Cowboys, Teague had 7.

I got news for you Teague played with the same players in Miami in 97 that Marion played with in 98. Teague lasted only one year in Miami and had only 6 starts. Marion took over for him in 98 and started every game except one the next 5 years.

I got news for you, you're wrong, Again. In 1997, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, and Derrick Rodgers, were rookies, barely learning the system. Zach Thomas and Darryl Gardner were in their 2nd seasons, still trying to establish themselves and Patrick Surtain hadn't even been drafted yet.

When Marion signed with the Dullphins, ALL but one ( Patrick Surtain, who didn't start as a rookie because of Terrel Buckley ) of those players were experienced starters.

Teague only had 2 seasons in his 9 year career where he started all 16 games. Marion started all 16 games 8 times during his 12 year career.

So you're saying that Marion was more durable than Teague career wise. Again, I won't argue it because it's true. Teague suffered alot of injuries in his career.

However, when it comes to playing for the Dallas Cowboys, there's no question WHO was the better player.

True and this gave Teague alot more opportunity to make plays in the secondary because our DL and LB's weren't as good. Free agency had robbed the Cowboys of alot of talent and they weren't able to replenish it in the draft.

Say what ? If anything, the lack of talent the Cowboys had at the time, didn't allow Teague the freedom to make as many plays as he could have. Where ever he's played, the one thing that Teague was known for was for making the big play.

Right he went to Miami and replaced Teague. Marion was good enough to start every game for 5 years with a talented Dolphin team. You have to be a very good player to a crack a starting lineup with a talented team and did on an incredibly talented Cowboys team that ended up being the team of the 90's and he did it in Miami.

Not necessarily. Marion got his job in Dallas as much as a default as his talents. The Cowboys starting FS, James Washington, signed a big contract with the Deadskins following the '94 season, leaving him the job.

That the Cowboys CHOSED not to resign him even though he was in his prime and the Dullphins didn't even gave him a big offer, 3 years, 8 million dollars, 3 millions signing bonus, speaks volumes as to what they thought of him... and rightfully so.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Roy was my favorite player and I bet most Cowboys fans felt the same way; but theres no debating, there were fewer and fewer big hits and fewer and fewer big plays by him in his last two years

He was my favorite player too during those years. He was the heart and soul of those defenses. If you needed a big play, he was going to make it. And what also made his decline so difficult was being told by everyone that Roy was not in decline.

 

[Idgit]

I never attempted to change my original stance I've repeated the same thing in every post. lol You seem to be the only one that has an issue with my stance. What exactly is your stance?

That you're obviously flopping all around trying to backtrack after slighting George Teague in your original post when you should have just conceded the point.

 

[KJJ]

That you're obviously flopping all around trying to backtrack after slighting George Teague in your original post when you should have just conceded the point.

I haven't backtracked one bit from my original post I've been slighting Teague all along you're just blowing smoke. LOL I asked what your position was and you won't give one you just like following me around. Now I see how you came up with your username. :toast:

 

[Idgit]

I haven't backtracked one bit from my original post I've been slighting Teague all along you're just blowing smoke. LOL I asked what your position was and you won't give one you just like following me around. Now I see how you came up with your username. :toast:

Nvm. Too tedious to argue the obvious with you if you choose not to see it. I was pointing out a situation where you should have had the sense to bow out gracefully, because you were obviously and demonstrably wrong. I have no interest to engage in a debate with you about it. Neither am I 'following you around.'

I'll let the arguments in the thread speak for themselves.

 

[KJJ]

Nvm. Too tedious to argue the obvious with you if you choose not to see it. I was pointing out a situation where you should have had the sense to bow out gracefully, because you were obviously and demonstrably wrong. I have no interest to engage in a debate with you about it. Neither am I 'following you around.'

I'll let the arguments in the thread speak for themselves.

Just an excuse because you have no position to argue you've made that perfectly clear by not giving one. You just like following me around blowing smoke. If you think you can shoot holes in anything I've said concerning Marion and Teague fire away. Most of the "love" Teague receives from Cowboy fans stems from him defending our star. This is a FACT! If it wasn't for that memorable moment his name would never be mentioned here which is another FACT! I think most here who aren't bias from the defending the star incident would agree that Brock Marion was a better player than George Teague. Their career stats back it up plus Marion contributed to 2 championship teams and started all 16 games for one of those teams and had more picks that season than Teague ever had in one season. Teague only had 6 int's his entire 3 years with Green Bay. He was a BUST in Green Bay. He lasted only one season in Miami and was replaced by Marion who lasted 6 seasons with the Dolphins starting every game but one. When one player starts 16 games for 8 of their 12 seasons and has 31 career int's compared to another player who had 15 career int's and started 16 games only twice in 9 seasons that makes it pretty clear who the better player was.

 

[DallasEast]

that play, huge play to help win a championship. unless you don't watch college I guess.

Exactly.

 

[Idgit]

Just an excuse because you have no position to argue you've made that perfectly clear by not giving one. You just like following me around blowing smoke. If you think you can shoot holes in anything I've said concerning Marion and Teague fire away. Most of the "love" Teague receives from Cowboy fans stems from him defending our star. This is a FACT! If it wasn't for that memorable moment his name would never be mentioned here which is another FACT! I think most here who aren't bias from the defending the star incident would agree that Brock Marion was a better player than George Teague. Their career stats back it up plus Marion contributed to 2 championship teams and started all 16 games for one of those teams and had more picks that season than Teague ever had in one season. Teague only had 6 int's his entire 3 years with Green Bay. He was a BUST in Green Bay. He lasted only one season in Miami and was replaced by Marion who lasted 6 seasons with the Dolphins starting every game but one. When one player starts 16 games for 8 of their 12 seasons and has 31 career int's compared to another player who had 15 career int's and started 16 games only twice in 9 seasons that makes it pretty clear who the better player was.

This is a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with your original dig at Teague's career.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

You know its a slow off season when you're left to argue who was better: Brock Marion or George Teague.

 

[KJJ]

b) Wether he didn't have the opportunity or it wasn't in his nature, Marion wasn't a leader in Dallas nor was he a leader down here either. He was a good player who was very fortunate to play with the kind of talent he played with in his entire career.

You're putting way too much into this leadership thing. Like I mentioned when Marion was drafted he came to a championship team that had leaders. It's more important to be a "leader" at QB than at FS. You're again talking about the talent Marion had around him as the reason he played well. The same goes for any good player the Cowboys had at that time. There's some who diss Emmitt and put the entire credit for his success on our OL. Would Jerry Rice have had the success he did without Montana and Young and vice versa? Just about ever good player had good players around them football is a "team" sport. Aikman took a beating until the Cowboys surrounded him with good players. Teague had some very good players around him in Green Bay that's why the Packer team he was apart of in 95 was playing in the NFC title game and went on to win a SB the next season without him.

a) Marion played with a MUCH better supporting cast than Teague did with in Dallas.

So you're saying because Marion played with a better supporting cast that makes him a lesser player than Teague who played with a worse supporting cast? Well if that's true then Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Larry Allen, Charles Haley and MANY other great players weren't that great after all and the Hall Of Fame should consist of players who played well despite crappy supporting casts. lol Have you ever considered that Marion contributed to making the Cowboys a good defense? He did start 16 games and have 6 int's for a team that went on to win a SB. He contributed to 2 championship teams. Most great teams consist of several core players. You take away the triplets the Cowboys don't win any of those 3 SB's in the 90's no matter who you plug in with that great supporting cast. You take Charles Haley off that defense and put him back with the 49ers and they probably end up the team of the 90's. When a player is making plays on a "championship" team that makes them part of that good supporting cast. Teague was a first round pick who did not live up to his draft status that's why he only lasted 3 seasons in Green Bay. Even the Cowboys let him go after one season the first time around and only brought him back because he got released by Miami after ONE season. The Cowboys had a real need and he was available for a good price.

b) Tackles are overrated. Especially since in both cases SPECIAL TEAMS tackles are counted. If you want to say that Marion was a better special team player than Teague, I won't argue it because he was.

Tackles are overrated??? You just lost credibility with that comment. Tackling is one of the most important aspects of football no matter where you play on defense. lol You miss a tackle in the secondary that usually leads to a TD. Tackles have won games and miss tackles have lost them. SPECIAL TEAMS are vital to a teams success. Alot of players make teams "strictly" from their special teams play. The Cowboys spent an entire draft last April drafting for special teams.

c) Brock Marion did not have ONE pass defended in his ENTIRE career as a Cowboy. Not ONE. Teague had 6 in one year. 1 less INT, but 2 more TDs, force more fumbles, and, once again, putting the stats aside: Teague was a leader on the team, something Marion was not.

Teague had alot more opportunity to defend passes because our DL and LB corp was in deep decline. QB's were having alot more time to look down the field. They weren't having alot of time to sit back and scan the field a few years earlier with Charles Haley and crew terrorizing them.

Marion also played with alot more talent in Dallas AND down here, than Teague did in his career with Dallas, Green Bay and Atlanta. And this isn't about who had the better career, but who was the better player in Dallas.

Right and Montana, Aikman, Rice, Emmitt and Haley played with alot more talent. You seem to want to slight what a player accomplished because they played for a talented team. All you're doing is making excuses why Marion excelled in certain situations and Teague didn't. You have an excuse for Teague with every team he played for. lol By the way Teague never played for Atlanta. Teague started his career with an up and coming Packers team that ended up meeting the Cowboys in the 95 NFC title game that Teague was apart of in Green Bay. You're making it sound like Teague was stuck on crappy teams his entire career. That Packers team had talent and Teague was let go after that season. The Packers went on to win the SB the next season. From looking at Teague's career he only made an impact on declining teams. The Dolphins had alot of up and coming talent that included Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas when Teague arrived in Miami and he was let go after one season in favor of Marion. It says alot for a player who can start and stick around year after year on a talented team. Teague wouldn't have lasted long on the Cowboys team Marion joined as a rookie in 93. Teague was busy not living up to his first round draft status in Green Bay at that time. Alot of players could have started on some of the bad Cowboy teams Teague played for later in the 90's. Even the Cowboys gave up on him after his first year with the team in 97. You have your opinion and I have mine and from what I saw from both players in "Dallas" Brock Marion was the better player. He contributed as a starter, had more picks and tackles than Teague and was a standout on special teams.

a) Teague was a leader LONG before he decked T.O. As a matter of fact, he was the leader of the secondary when he and Marion played together, not Marion.

If Teague was so wonderful how come Green Bay let him go after only 3 seasons when the Packers were on the brink of winning a championship? There were alot of good players on the Cowboys who weren't "leaders". Larry Allen was one of the great players ever but he wasn't a so called "leader". That Cowboys team had plenty of leadership from players like Akiman. Emmitt and Irvin. Some players are vocal and some are quiet and lead by their play. Teague was bouncing around from team to team and he took over a leadership role on a Cowboys team that was in obvious decline.

b) You're wrong. Marion had 8 career interceptions with the Cowboys, Teague had 7.

Wrong about what? I said Marion had 8 career int's in Dallas and Teague had 7. I also said Marion had 31 career int's covering all the teams he played for and that Teague had 15 career int's. You can spin it anyway you want but corner's and FS's are measured alot on how many int's they had during their career. All the corners and FS's in the HOF had alot of picks. It's like DE's and OLB they're going to be measured alot on sacks.

I got news for you, you're wrong, Again. In 1997, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, and Derrick Rodgers, were rookies, barely learning the system. Zach Thomas and Darryl Gardner were in their 2nd seasons, still trying to establish themselves and Patrick Surtain hadn't even been drafted yet.

When Marion signed with the Dullphins, ALL but one ( Patrick Surtain, who didn't start as a rookie because of Terrel Buckley ) of those players were experienced starters.

You're saying I'm wrong again??? I said Marion was playing with basically the same group that Teague played with the year before in Miami. So Jason Taylor was a rookie when Teague was there he still produced 5 sacks that season. I never claimed Surtain was there I just pointed out that Dolphin team had alot of up and coming talent and like what happened on a Green Bay team that had alot of up and coming talent Teague was let go. He was only able to stick around on a declining Cowboys team that was entering into serious salary cap hell. Teague came at a reasonable price and was resigned after being let go by the Cowboys a year prior. If he was so good why did the Cowboys let him go after only one year in 96? It's clear why they brought him back.

So you're saying that Marion was more durable than Teague career wise. Again, I won't argue it because it's true. Teague suffered alot of injuries in his career.

However, when it comes to playing for the Dallas Cowboys, there's no question WHO was the better player.

I'm saying Marion was the better player and their career starts and stats back it up. Teague did suffer alot of injuries but that's part of the game and injuries can cause a player not to be as good as a player who stayed healthy. It's all about production and staying on the field. When it comes to the Dallas Cowboys Marion had more tackles and int's than Teague and he did it with 9 fewer starts plus he contributed to 2 SB wins starting 16 games for one of those teams. Teague bounced around the league and played for some declining Cowboy teams. He's remembered in Dallas for one thing defending our star and if that moment warmed your heart so much that it makes Teague a better player than Brock Marion in your eyes then that's your opinion.

Not necessarily. Marion got his job in Dallas as much as a default as his talents. The Cowboys starting FS, James Washington, signed a big contract with the Deadskins following the '94 season, leaving him the job.

And he took advantage of the opportunity by starting all 16 games in 95 and tying for the team lead with 6 int's. The Cowboys wouldn't have let James Washington go had they not thought Marion could handle the job. The Cowboys would have gone out and found a replacement if they were concerned about Marion.

That the Cowboys CHOSED not to resign him even though he was in his prime and the Dullphins didn't even gave him a big offer, 3 years, 8 million dollars, 3 millions signing bonus, speaks volumes as to what they thought of him... and rightfully so.

The Cowboys chose not to sign him because they were entering into severe salary cap hell. The Cowboys would have liked to have kept him but free agency was here and it was putting the pinch on alot of teams. The Cowboys ended up losing several good players like Ken Norton Jr because Jerry didn't know how to handle the cap. It was the loss of players like Marion, Norton and several others that caused the decline of our great 90's teams. We were losing key role players and weren't able to replace them with quality players in the draft. Dude back in 96 3 years, 8 million with 3 million to sign wasn't that bad for a FS considering the Dolphins were having some cap problems themselves. It was Jimmy's idea to bring Marion to Miami and Jimmy wasn't the one who let him go in Dallas. lol Had Jimmy still been coaching the Cowboys at that time we wouldn't have seen the decline we did. Jimmy knew talent and he let Teague go after one season in Miami.

 

[KJJ]

This is a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with your original dig at Teague's career.

Just more hot air from someone who has no position and simply likes following me to complain. Here's my original dig at Teague "All anyone remembers about Teague was the defending the star incident that pretty much tells you what kind of career he had."



I've been expanding on that dig ever since and you claimed I've made efforts to change my original stance and have attempted to backtrack. Have another one on me Otis. :beer2: :laugh2:

 

[jimmy40]

Just more hot air from someone who has no position and simply likes following me to complain. Here's my original dig at Teague "All anyone remembers about Teague was the defending the star incident that pretty much tells you what kind of career he had."

obviously you were wrong about that. Now if you would have said

"all anyone "who only watches Cowboys games" remembers about Teague was the defending the star incident that pretty much tells you what kind of career he had", you would have been right.

 

[DallasEast]

obviously you were wrong about that. Now if you would have said

"all anyone "who only watches Cowboys games" remembers about Teague was the defending the star incident that pretty much tells you what kind of career he had", you would have been right.

:shush: You're gonna ruin it for everybody!!!

 

[KJJ]

obviously you were wrong about that. Now if you would have said

"all anyone "who only watches Cowboys games" remembers about Teague was the defending the star incident that pretty much tells you what kind of career he had", you would have been right.

I was referring to Cowboy fans. Even fans who don't follow the Cowboys or even saw that game remember that moment it was replayed on every sports network. To this day it gets replayed and unless you're an Alabama fan that's the moment Teague is most remembered for.

 

[bbgun]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see a "Marion vs. Teague" brouhaha all these years later.

 

[KJJ]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see a "Marion vs. Teague" brouhaha all these years later.

I never in my wildest dreams thought I would ever have a debate about those two. Blame it on the offseason.

 

[Randy White]

You're putting way too much into this leadership thing.

Well, you claim that All anybody would remember Teague for is his hit on T.O. which is obviously not the case. He was a good player in Dallas and one of the leaders of an, albeit, declining team.

So you're saying because Marion played with a better supporting cast that makes him a lesser player than Teague who played with a worse supporting cast?

Absolutely NOT.

You are the one who brought up Marion's stat to prove he had a better career than Teague, something I don't believe anybody was disputing. The dispute was that Teague was an upgrade over Marion in Dallas, and ideed, he was. It doesn't matter what Marion went on to do for the Dullphins because most Cowboys' fans don't care. They care what he did in Dallas and comparing the 2, Teague was better.

Tackles are overrated??? You just lost credibility with that comment.

Yes, TACKLES is an overrated stats and if you knew anything about football, you'd know why. Eugene Lockheart had something like 200 tackles in 1989 for the Cowboys, which is why he was called " the hittin' machine ", but alot of the tackles were 4, 5, and 6 yards downfield which all it meant was that the Cowboys were getting plowed by most offenses. Anybody with a football IQ above 2 would recognize that, but I guess you can't.

The fact is that the tackles that both Teague and Marion produced includes the special team portion, which Marion was much better at and why he had a 30+ advantage in that category over a 5 years span ( less than 1/4 of a tackle per game ).

Tell you what, though, anybody with a football IQ above 2 would also know that you don't want your safeties making many tackles either but you do want them to get INTs and defend passes.. How many passed did Marion defended while he was a Cowboy again ?

Teague had alot more opportunity to defend passes because our DL and LB corp was in deep decline. QB's were having alot more time to look down the field. They weren't having alot of time to sit back and scan the field a few years earlier with Charles Haley and crew terrorizing them.

Wrong. Teague had less opportunity because he had to help the CB opposite side of Deion most of the time, which is why they played a split defense of man with Deion and Zone on the other half of the field.

Right and Montana, Aikman, Rice, Emmitt and Haley played with alot more talent. You seem to want to slight what a player accomplished because they played for a talented team. All you're doing is making excuses why Marion excelled in certain situations and Teague didn't.

Oh excellent. So now you're comparing Brock Marion to Montana, Aikman, Rice, Emmitt and Haley.. and the dilusions continue..

If Teague was so wonderful how come Green Bay let him go after only 3 seasons when the Packers were on the brink of winning a championship?

Once again, you're rearranging the chairs in the titanic you call an argument. Nobody said Teague was a greatest player ever. Nobody said Teague was the best at anything.

The point IS that he was an UPGRADE to Brock Marion in Dallas, and he was, period.

There were alot of good players on the Cowboys who weren't "leaders". Larry Allen was one of the great players ever but he wasn't a so called "leader".

And now Marion was just like Larry Allen too..

Wrong about what? I said Marion had 8 career int's in Dallas and Teague had 7.

Yea, it seems you were born confused. And with one of the shortest memories ever. YOU said:

He had 6 picks that season which was 2 more than Teague ever had with the Cowboys.

and that's, drumroll again please: WRONG

You're saying I'm wrong again??? I said Marion was playing with basically the same group that Teague played with the year before in Miami.

And, what's become a habit for you, you were WRONG.

The Cowboys chose not to sign him because they were entering into severe salary cap hell.

Yea, like the Cowboys were going to let go a Safety, in the prime of his career, for misley 3 million dollars signing bonus, when they gave his replacement 2 millions.

It's like arguing with a 2 year old..

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see a "Marion vs. Teague" brouhaha all these years later.

Quincy and Hutch read this thread, and even they're embarrassed.