Getting a legit FS is just as big a need as getting Dline help

[DuDa]

If you guys are looking for players that fit what this team needs then go take a peak at these 3 guys:

Terrence Brooks
Dion Bailey
Jimmie Ward

These are all 2-4 round guys that fit very well with what the Cowboys need.

 

[LatinMind]

If you guys are looking for players that fit what this team needs then go take a peak at these 3 guys:

Terrence Brooks
Dion Bailey
Jimmie Ward

These are all 2-4 round guys that fit very well with what the Cowboys need.

IMO none of these guys are anything more then wilcox.

 

[texbumthelife]

I watched film on a lot of guys this weekend for the draft. Ha-ha looks like he's can be a really good strong safety that is much more comfortable playing downhill than in deep coverage. If we took him it would be like having 2 Barry Churches back there. I don't like Pryor from Louisville, can't tackle and takes poor angles that negate his speed IMO. If these two are the best we should probably look for another position early on in the draft.

Im glad I am not the only one who sees it this way. Very very underwhelming class. Its the wrong year to go FS and you can't take one in the first just because they'll be gone late, when neither of these guys have first round talent/

 

[texbumthelife]

Dion Bailey is very very intriguing to me. He could be a very very good SS in the right defense, but I don't think he'll ever be the center fielder everyone wants here.

And he takes a lot of hate, but Church had 135 tackles last season. 135. As a safety. The guy is a baller. If we got a legit FS and a pass rush Church would really get a shot.

And Brooks is actually the FSU guy I want, not Joyner. My bad.

 

[DuDa]

IMO none of these guys are anything more then wilcox.

Please explain to me why you made this statement? You post your scouting reports and projections for these players; I'll post mine and we'll see where were at in 2 years.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Im glad I am not the only one who sees it this way. Very very underwhelming class. Its the wrong year to go FS and you can't take one in the first just because they'll be gone late, when neither of these guys have first round talent/

I happen to believe they both have first round talent, and I would have taken both before Vaccaro last year, who was a first round pick. By the way he is working out fine for NO. Despite their respective faults, they are both impactful players and can effect our defensive backfield in a positive way.

 

[4lifecowboy]

[quote="texbumthelife, post: 5438657, member: 11053"]Dion Bailey is very very intriguing to me. He could be a very very good SS in the right defense, but I don't think he'll ever be the center fielder everyone wants here.

And he takes a lot of hate, but Church had 135 tackles last season. 135. As a safety. The guy is a baller. If we got a legit FS and a pass rush Church would really get a shot.

And Brooks is actually the FSU guy I want, not Joyner. My bad.[/quote]

The Chandlor effect, that's who scouts are comparing him to and who wouldn't want one of those?

 

[LatinMind]

Please explain to me why you made this statement? You post your scouting reports and projections for these players; I'll post mine and we'll see where were at in 2 years.

This guy has some game to him. he showed the same type of want as Church did before church got hurt in 2012.

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He didnt play much because of injury this yr. But when he did this defense was better. Plain and simple. He's the type of player that never stops, the team needs these types of players. Ill say it now, he will start this yr.

 

[texbumthelife]

I happen to believe they both have first round talent, and I would have taken both before Vaccaro last year, who was a first round pick. By the way he is working out fine for NO. Despite their respective faults, they are both impactful players and can effect our defensive backfield in a positive way.

I don't think either is better than Vacarro. Vacarro has more range and versatility than either of these guys. He can play both safety positions and slot corner.

 

[dantheman41]

IMO none of these guys are anything more then wilcox.

Completely disagree... Watch the film on these guys. Totally different players

 

[LatinMind]

Completely disagree... Watch the film on these guys. Totally different players

I put up a video of Dix he plays just as bad as heath in posistion. And makes bad plays on the ball. I dare you to go to youtube and look at both Wilcox and Pryors college videos. You will see the same type of player making the same types of plays. Players with range and hitters.

 

[DuDa]

I put up a video of Dix he plays just as bad as heath in posistion. And makes bad plays on the ball. I dare you to go to youtube and look at both Wilcox and Pryors college videos. You will see the same type of player making the same types of plays. Players with range and hitters.

I think he was referring to Bailey, Brooks, and Ward.

 

[dantheman41]

I put up a video of Dix he plays just as bad as heath in posistion. And makes bad plays on the ball. I dare you to go to youtube and look at both Wilcox and Pryors college videos. You will see the same type of player making the same types of plays. Players with range and hitters.

I never defended Dix. I am not a fan of Dix. To say Pryor is the same type of player as Wilcox is ridiculous. If you want to say their tackling ability, or lack there of is similar then yes I agree. That is the one knock on Pryor is that he always goes for the big hit, and fails to wrap up occasionally similar to Wilcox. Their similar in the way that they are both VERY physical.

The difference is Pryor will be a 1st round pick, and that is because of his instincts, coverage ability, and explosiveness. Wilcox does not have nearly the athletic ability or traits of Pryor. Pryor is not as top heavy. Wilcox was a projected SS in the NFL because of his size, big hitting and inexperience in coverage. Pryor has a lot of experience in big games, and played his best at the most crucial times. He played for an outstanding defense. Wilcox was a small school guy who played small schools.

Pryor played mostly single high safety because of his excellent range in always finding the ball. Made a TON of plays on the ball in college, which I never saw from Wilcox. He even manned up on tight ends and receivers at times, and was very successful in doing so. I am not bashing Wilcox because I think he has potential, but his ceiling isn't even close to Pryor's. Different leagues in every respect.

 

[4lifecowboy]

I never defended Dix. I am not a fan of Dix. To say Pryor is the same type of player as Wilcox is ridiculous. If you want to say their tackling ability, or lack there of is similar then yes I agree. That is the one knock on Pryor is that he always goes for the big hit, and fails to wrap up occasionally similar to Wilcox. Their similar in the way that they are both VERY physical.

The difference is Pryor will be a 1st round pick, and that is because of his instincts, coverage ability, and explosiveness. Wilcox does not have nearly the athletic ability or traits of Pryor. Pryor is not as top heavy. Wilcox was a projected SS in the NFL because of his size, big hitting and inexperience in coverage. Pryor has a lot of experience in big games, and played his best at the most crucial times. He played for an outstanding defense. Wilcox was a small school guy who played small schools.

Pryor played mostly single high safety because of his excellent range in always finding the ball. Made a TON of plays on the ball in college, which I never saw from Wilcox. He even manned up on tight ends and receivers at times, and was very successful in doing so. I am not bashing Wilcox because I think he has potential, but his ceiling isn't even close to Pryor's. Different leagues in every respect.

Pryor fits the "impact player" I have been stressing we need to go after with our first pick. People try to say he isn't first round material, but I am in agreement with you, he is a turnover causing machine, and there isn't a safety on the roster right now that could potentially bring more to the table.

 

[LatinMind]

I never defended Dix. I am not a fan of Dix. To say Pryor is the same type of player as Wilcox is ridiculous. If you want to say their tackling ability, or lack there of is similar then yes I agree. That is the one knock on Pryor is that he always goes for the big hit, and fails to wrap up occasionally similar to Wilcox. Their similar in the way that they are both VERY physical.

The difference is Pryor will be a 1st round pick, and that is because of his instincts, coverage ability, and explosiveness. Wilcox does not have nearly the athletic ability or traits of Pryor. Pryor is not as top heavy. Wilcox was a projected SS in the NFL because of his size, big hitting and inexperience in coverage. Pryor has a lot of experience in big games, and played his best at the most crucial times. He played for an outstanding defense. Wilcox was a small school guy who played small schools.

Pryor played mostly single high safety because of his excellent range in always finding the ball. Made a TON of plays on the ball in college, which I never saw from Wilcox. He even manned up on tight ends and receivers at times, and was very successful in doing so. I am not bashing Wilcox because I think he has potential, but his ceiling isn't even close to Pryor's. Different leagues in every respect.

Wilcox draft scouting report

ANALYSIS
Strengths: Athletic frame with a thick lower half. Stands out at this level due to his athleticism and proved he deserved to be on the same field with the top prospects in Mobile. Good lateral agility. Surprisingly adept as an open field tackler. Attacks the line of scrimmage when he reads run but while fast to the action, breaks down pretty well, showing enough balance, patience and strength for the effective stop... Showed some instincts and range operating as a single-high safety during Senior Bowl drills. Good leaping ability and body control. Timed his leaps well and has good hand-eye coordination, perhaps due to time on offense. Obvious upside.

Key word in there Single high safety, isnt that what Dallas wants to do? Isnt that what you want?

 

[4lifecowboy]

Wilcox draft scouting report

ANALYSIS
Strengths: Athletic frame with a thick lower half. Stands out at this level due to his athleticism and proved he deserved to be on the same field with the top prospects in Mobile. Good lateral agility. Surprisingly adept as an open field tackler. Attacks the line of scrimmage when he reads run but while fast to the action, breaks down pretty well, showing enough balance, patience and strength for the effective stop... Showed some instincts and range operating as a single-high safety during Senior Bowl drills. Good leaping ability and body control. Timed his leaps well and has good hand-eye coordination, perhaps due to time on offense. Obvious upside.

Key word in there Single high safety, isnt that what Dallas wants to do? Isnt that what you want?

I watched him play this year didn't see any thing to get excited about, what someone predicted he can do and what he actually does is two different conversations. I'm not saying cut the guy, but just cause he have potential you don't build a house on it. If he is truly better than a safety taken in the 1st round he will beat them out. Personally I believe we need to have a culture that has every player looking over their back. Competition for the same spot will definitely separate the men from the boys.

 

[LatinMind]

I watched him play this year didn't see any thing to get excited about, what someone predicted he can do and what he actually does is two different conversations. I'm not saying cut the guy, but just cause he have potential you don't build a house on it. If he is truly better than a safety taken in the 1st round he will beat them out. Personally I believe we need to have a culture that has every player looking over their back. Competition for the same spot will definitely separate the men from the boys.

You mean the 3 games he actually played non injured? That analysis wasnt a prediction its what he did at the SR bowl. you know the same bowl game that got everybody on this forum wet over Donald? Before that game Wilcox was a 4-5 round prospect. Teams saw he could play against better talent then what he saw at GS. And his stock rose

 

[dantheman41]

Wilcox draft scouting report

ANALYSIS
Strengths: Athletic frame with a thick lower half. Stands out at this level due to his athleticism and proved he deserved to be on the same field with the top prospects in Mobile. Good lateral agility. Surprisingly adept as an open field tackler. Attacks the line of scrimmage when he reads run but while fast to the action, breaks down pretty well, showing enough balance, patience and strength for the effective stop... Showed some instincts and range operating as a single-high safety during Senior Bowl drills. Good leaping ability and body control. Timed his leaps well and has good hand-eye coordination, perhaps due to time on offense. Obvious upside.

Key word in there Single high safety, isnt that what Dallas wants to do? Isnt that what you want?

That's fine and great... If teams were so high on him why didn't he go until the 3rd round?

 

[LatinMind]

That's fine and great... If teams were so high on him why didn't he go until the 3rd round?

Because he was from a small school. Plain and simple. he was a lower round pick before the sr bowl i hope you know he raised his stock.

 

[tm1119]

This guy has some game to him. he showed the same type of want as Church did before church got hurt in 2012.

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He didnt play much because of injury this yr. But when he did this defense was better. Plain and simple. He's the type of player that never stops, the team needs these types of players. Ill say it now, he will start this yr.

You are in love with every player on the cowboys. You like our safeties and linebackers. So lets just add 2 rookie d lineman and everything will be better right?