Giant black hole should not even exist says stunned scientists

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Einstein mathematically predicted their existence before anyone had any inkling of their existence. Even Einstein thought he made an mistake at the time. This was before anyone really even though about what crushing that much mass into a small space would have actually meant gravitationally. Remember, each amount of mass has gravity. The Earth's gravitational pull is spread out over 7,500 miles in diameter and 25,000 miles in circumference. That means, while all the gravity is having an effect on you. A large portion of it has less of an effect on you. (the mass on the far side of the Earth.

Gravity weakens as distance grows between two objects. Now, imagine the Earth was squished into the size of a marble (half an inch in diameter) and that marble was 2" away from you. (yet, still contained all the Earth's mass and gravity, but now all of it's mass and gravity is within 2" of you!) You would go from weighting 150-250lbs on full size Earth, to some ridiculous amount that your soft liquid filled body would likely crush into a a gooey like liquid state and then crushed even more into a solid evenly spread out over the entire surface of the marble size Earth. (the same way planets become spherical one they reach a certain mass due to gravitational forces)

Also to to note. Any scientist who can't do math, isn't a real scientist. More likely they are just people being paid to produce an opinion that supports conspiracy theorist and / or capitalist agenda. (ie, they were paid to write a bull**** paper or an ulterior motive) The energy and auto industries has been doing this for years.

It depends on what an individual person believes creates gravity. Some believe, including myself, that gravity is created by electromagnetic wavelengths. Some believe mass and density create gravity.

You need two things to create electromagnetic wavelengths. A piece of metal and electricity passing through that metal. So the Earth's core and the cores of every star create electromagnetic wavelengths and thusly gravity. The moon does not have an electrified metal core so the moon does not produce it's own gravity. It captures the electromagnetic wavelengths from our sun at its core then releases it. And that's what gives the moon its gravitational field. So it emits electromagnetic wavelengths but it doesn't produce them. Just like it emits light but it doesn't produce light.

The electromagnetic wavelengths coming of an object is going to be the same size as the object that's emitting the wavelengths. So its possible to have a smaller asteroid orbiting a larger asteroid. Because the larger astroid can capture and release more of the sun's electromagnetic wavelengths, thusly emitted a larger wavelength.

Imagine the core of the sun being a 15 inch speaker and the core of the earth being a 4 inch speaker. The 15" speaker is going to produce a 15" soundwave. That 15" soundwave will dampen the reach of the 4" soundwave, basically suppressing it. That's how the super heated portion of Earth's atmosphere is created. Clashing electromagnetic waves. Just like a microwave. And that's how a smaller astronaut can orbit a larger asteroid. The larger astroid is emitting a larger wavelength then the smaller asteroid.

The makeup of the Earth's core and the sun's core is as follows. There is a big metal ball at its center with a outter metal band circling it. Think of a 9 ball from a billiards game. It's mostly white with a yellow strip going around it. That's how the earth's core looks. Except the strip around it is spinning at a faster rate than its center. Which creates static electricity and that static electricity charges the core. Then the core releases that static charge as electromagnetic wavelengths. And as the moon catches and rereleases those wavelengths it can draw asteroids into its orbit.

So an exploding star pushes helium, hydrogen, and carbon atoms away from the explosion. As well as dark matter, dust and debris. Creating a large void in space. And this large void in space acts like a vacuum. So when all of the energy from the explosion is expelled, all of that material comes rushing back in at a high rate of speed from every angle. That creates a cyclone. And at the center of every cyclone is a vortex. So the gravity of a so called black hole is nothing more than the vortex of a cyclone. And at the center of this cyclone is dark matter. We all know sunlight can be absorbed due to the clouds in our own atmosphere. So the dense cloud of dark matter at the center of this cyclone is absorbing all the light that's hitting it.

The exploding star has created a dense ball at its core. But the wavelengths coming off of this new dense core would be the same size as the new core. So you're basically talking about a speaker that has shrunk in size and lost its power supply. So how can this newly formed dense object have a gravitational field be so strong that light cannot bounce off of it, when it's now smaller and weaker?

The ideology of electromagnetic wavelengths creating gravity does not give credence to the fabric of space or time dilation. Thinking that mass and density creates gravity does. And that's the difference between the two theories.

But thinking that mass and density creates gravity raises way more questions. How come your dense super gravity black hole doesn't get caked over by the material is attracting? How come it never swallows a planet or a star? How can satellites and probes slingshot around a planet or moon and gain speed? How come every astroid in the astroid belt is not headed toward the sun? Well if your black hole is crushing debris into microbes how does it grow so fast? How can an object create gravity in a weightlessness environment without a static charge?

Light is basically a subatomic particle that moves at an excess of 800 million miles per hour. So to say there is a solid object out there that light cannot bounce off of it is truly unbelievable to me. To say there is a cloud out there so dark and dense that light cannot penetrate it makes more sense. So black holes do not exist. They are just cyclones made up of dark matter, dust and debris. With one heck of a vortex as its center.

So no, I do not believe in space time. I do not believe in the fabric of space. I do not believe in black holes or time dilation. Space time and the fabric of space are derivatives of the big bang theory, in my opinion. And I don't believe in the big bang theory.

BUT, opinions vary just like beliefs. To each his own. I once met a guy that said eternal punishment after life isn't real. It's just a boogie man type story to scare people straight. So like I said to each his own.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Gravity and Electromagnetic are two (of four) different fundamental forces. One does not cause the other. They are fundamentally different.

If Electromagnetism caused gravity, then my radio / amplifier (I'm a ham radio operator) would cause gravity. Alas, It does not.

The moon does not have it's own gravity? Neil Armstrong would have something to say about that.

Okay, I'm done here. You can keep your opinion.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You can do a research test. Me and a buddy of mine have done this before, so I already know what the results will be.

Buy two brand new electronic devices of the same make and model. Say, two dvd players. Unbox both but only plug one in. Let the plugged in device run for 3 minutes befor unplugging it. Then set both devices next to one another in your house. One month later the device you plugged in will be dusty as hell. While the one you didn't plug in will still be clean. We actually left them sitting next to one another for six months. The never plugged in dvd player stayed clean.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Do you know how a duster works? Static electricity. (negatively charges are attracted to positive charges and vise versa) Same principal here. Electricity is the movement of electrons. Electrons are negatively charged. This is not gravity. Ground the device and your static charge will go away and it will get dusty just as fast as the non-negatively charged device. (though you may need to also discharge your electrolytic capacitors too as they get charged up as soon as you power it on)

Also to note. The DVD player that was never plugged will also get dusty because dust settles. It doesn't care what is beneath it. This *IS* gravity. My desk is electrically inert. Yet I have to occasionally dust it in areas that I don't frequent.

btw, Neither will not be "dusty as hell" after a month unless your house is dusty as hell.

 

[Runwildboys]

Do you know how a duster works? Static electricity. (negatively charges are attracted to positive charges and vise versa) Same principal here. Electricity is the movement of electrons. Electrons are negatively charged. This is not gravity. Ground the device and your static charge will go away and it will get dusty just as fast as the non-negatively charged device. (though you may need to also discharge your electrolytic capacitors too as they get charged up as soon as you power it on)

Also to note. The DVD player that was never plugged will also get dusty because dust settles. It doesn't care what is beneath it. This *IS* gravity. My desk is electrically inert. Yet I have to occasionally dust it in areas that I don't frequent.

btw, Neither will not be "dusty as hell" after a month unless your house is dusty as hell.

Lots of pets, I guess.

 

[YosemiteSam]

btw, powder coat painting works the same way. Using electric charge to ensure the paint sticks to the surface.

 

[SlammedZero]

What is not to believe? We can literally "see" black holes through ways of gravitational lensing and by their sheer mass. You can measure their presence by looking at the behavior of objects near it (due to their mass).

 

[Rockport]

There are scientists who don't believe in blackholes. The pictures are just multiple gravitational fields effecting dust at a central location. If you remove Saturn out of the center of its rings they'd swear that was a black hole too.

So I'm not the only one.

If what you say is true then you would be able to see stars in your black hole. But in a real black hole, you can’t.

 

[CyberB0b]

You can do a research test. Me and a buddy of mine have done this before, so I already know what the results will be.

Buy two brand new electronic devices of the same make and model. Say, two dvd players. Unbox both but only plug one in. Let the plugged in device run for 3 minutes befor unplugging it. Then set both devices next to one another in your house. One month later the device you plugged in will be dusty as hell. While the one you didn't plug in will still be clean. We actually left them sitting next to one another for six months. The never plugged in dvd player stayed clean.

Wow.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Could dark matter be plain and simple smoke?

The U.S. and Russia have a treaty that neither country will lunch laser type weapons into space. These laser weapons can reach temperatures an excess of 60 million degrees. If you would point that weapon at the moon, crossing back and forth, what would happen to the moon. It would eventually be annihilated right? So extreme temperatures can disintegrate an object without any oxygen being involved.

Well what about smaller astroids that approach the sun. Instead of becoming part of the sun's mass the could be incinerated. Relieving them of all of their stored energy. Turning them into smoke. And as we all know smoke does not adhere to gravity. It will run toward a vacuum but gravity has no effect on it. So could dark matter just be smoke?
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I like taking opposing points of views and coming up with half concocted theories just to see if something sticks. It keeps things interesting.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Wow.

I'm a Nasa conspiracy theorist to the fullest. --JK

I just like keeping the convo going.

 

[Runwildboys]

If what you say is true then you would be able to see stars in your black hole. But in a real black hole, you can’t.

While I certainly don't subscribe to his theory, he isn't denying the gravity (I don't think), which would still be too strong for the light from the stars to escape.

 

[Runwildboys]

Could dark matter be plain and simple smoke?

The U.S. and Russia have a treaty that neither country will lunch laser type weapons into space. These laser weapons can reach temperatures an excess of 60 million degrees. If you would point that weapon at the moon, crossing back and forth, what would happen to the moon. It would eventually be annihilated right? So extreme temperatures can disintegrate an object without any oxygen being involved.

Well what about smaller astroids that approach the sun. Instead of becoming part of the sun's mass the could be incinerated. Relieving them of all of their stored energy. Turning them into smoke. And as we all know smoke does not adhere to gravity. It will run toward a vacuum but gravity has no effect on it. So could dark matter just be smoke?
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I like taking opposing points of views and coming up with half concocted theories just to see if something sticks. It keeps things interesting.

Theoretically, dark matter makes up 85% of the matter in the universe, and is responsible for the gravity holding galaxies together.......So no, not smoke.

 

[SlammedZero]

Theoretically, dark matter makes up 85% of the matter in the universe, and is responsible for the gravity holding galaxies together.......So no, not smoke.

And coupled with dark energy, together they make up 95 percent of the universe. The rest of that 5% is normal matter, which, means that normal matter is actually the abnormal part of the universe.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Could dark matter be plain and simple smoke?

The U.S. and Russia have a treaty that neither country will lunch laser type weapons into space. These laser weapons can reach temperatures an excess of 60 million degrees. If you would point that weapon at the moon, crossing back and forth, what would happen to the moon. It would eventually be annihilated right? So extreme temperatures can disintegrate an object without any oxygen being involved.

Well what about smaller astroids that approach the sun. Instead of becoming part of the sun's mass the could be incinerated. Relieving them of all of their stored energy. Turning them into smoke. And as we all know smoke does not adhere to gravity. It will run toward a vacuum but gravity has no effect on it. So could dark matter just be smoke?
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I like taking opposing points of views and coming up with half concocted theories just to see if something sticks. It keeps things interesting.

Smoke is made up of mass and therefore it is subject to the effects of gravity.

All fire is, is excessive heat. When you see flame, what you're seeing is mass so hot it's glowing. Like when burning a wood log. The flame itself that you see rising off of the log is mostly water, organic compounds, carbon, and minerals among a other possible things that are as I said. So hot that they glow. Once they've cooled down, it becomes smoke which is the same list of things, just not so hot that they are glowing.

When something is lit on fire, it goes through a chemical change that is spurred on by excessive heat. Things get converted (the list of things above) and energy is released as heat.

Since those things in the list are considered mass. They most certainly do adhere to gravity. The reason you see them rise in a fire is because when they are at that temperature, they expand and become less dense than regular atmosphere. Just like all hot air rises. The same reason foam floats in water and a lead ball sinks in water. Whatever is more dense will displace less dense things. The reason this happens. Gravity tugs harder on more massive objects than it does less massive objects.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Theoretically, dark matter makes up 85% of the matter in the universe, and is responsible for the gravity holding galaxies together.......So no, not smoke.

You know, I had a thought once that maybe the reason we cannot see dark matter (or dark energy for that matter) is because maybe it can only exists within a dimension that we cannot perceive. We already know that just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Heck, maybe the rest of the anti-matter lives there too and that is responsible for dark matter / energy? Who knows! We only call it dark because we can't see it!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I'm sorry, but no, I don't agree. A black hole is a solid object...the most solid object in the universe, in fact. The reason you can't actually see them is that they're so dense that the gravity they create is too strong for even light to escape.
https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-a-black-hole-58.html

I don’t believe black holes are solid objects. Neutron stars are closer to that description; some neutron stars will collapse and become a black hole. With black holes all matter is torn apart infinitely small and compressed past the point of mathematical description that known physics can explain.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

O.K. I've changed my mind.

I just figured out a way to explain it to myself. Which is very important to me. Because if I can't explain things to myself in layman's term I tend to struggle believing them. So hopefully my self created explanation helps others to understand.

So a star blows up leaving behind this invisible electromagnetic sphere of pure energy. ( radio waves and gravity are invisible) Due to the fact this thing is electromagnetic when light hits it, it doesn't bounce off of it because its actually feeding it. It absorbs the light and continues to grow. But the outer edges of this electromagnetic sphere, much like the super heated portion of Earth's atmosphere, still interacts with dust particles. Super heating the dust particles. And these super heated particles can become visible even though the sphere isn't.

So as this sphere grows in size it is actually making the galaxy expand. And that's the part that got me. I told myself that if this thing is real then the Milky Way Galaxy should be expanding. I googled, is the Milky Way expanding and sure enough, it is.

So it's not a wormhole in space or a singularity. (like the movies would have you to believe) It's just the radio waves and an electromagnetic remnants of a star. It takes that radiation time to dissipate. But it can't actually dissipate because its constantly being feed by light and the radiation from other stars. A highly dense radioactive bubble. That's what a black hole is to me and I'm sticking to it.

I really didn't know the Milky Way Galaxy was expanding though.

So what do you think Runwild agree or disagree?

Black holes are not like bathtub drains that continuously draw things into it and suck it down.

Black holes follow the same laws of gravity all objects in space follow which is why you can have planets, stars, satellites, et cetera, orbit around them and they’ll be fine.

It’s only if you enter into the black hole’s event horizon that you’ve bought a one-way ticket with no escape.

 

[Runwildboys]

I don’t believe black holes are solid objects. Neutron stars are closer to that description; some neutron stars will collapse and become a black hole. With black holes all matter is torn apart infinitely small and compressed past the point of mathematical description that known physics can explain.

How could it be dense enough to create the type of gravity it does, and not be solid?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

How could it be dense enough to create the type of gravity it does, and not be solid?

Our understanding of physics breaks down at the singularity. Black holes are often described as regions in space where there is immense mass without physical volume and that’s the mystery; how can matter be annihilated and gravity be so extreme not even light can escape? Black holes are like a rip in the fabric of space and time.