Giants Defense Main Reason to Sign Flozell

[theebs]

I'm big on Free. Was before the draft and am now. I just think he needs another couple of years to develop. Regardless, I think it's fairly safe to say that neither of those guys can come in and play at Flozell's level. Only a few players in the league can.

Not knowing is even more reason to keep a sure thing. Not sure where the line is drawn on too much money, but we can certainly afford to pay him like a top 5 tackle.

I dont think there is any chance any of those guys play as well as flo next year, but without experience how will they get better. Playing any of the other 3 will definitely be a bump down in talent and quality of play next season, but will it be enough to derail the season or cause us to miss the playoffs? that is the bigger question.

they will be better from the offseason work and exposure to the league like all other rookies.

 

[Derinyar]

The giants cut pettigout and moved Diehl to LT this year. How did that work out?

Pettigout was never the same level of player that Flozell was. Add to the fact that Diehl was already a starting lineman as opposed to a second year player who spent their first year on the bench.

 

[theebs]

I'm glad someone else realizes how great he's been. Like, one of the best in the league great. I think we'd be foolish to let that go now, even if it means franchise time. I'd much rather let Hamlin walk than Flo.

I am pretty sure everyone realizes how good he has been, Just how long will he play that well. Did he play so great this year because it was a contract year?

its just a really difficult decision. And for the record I would sign hamlin first and then try to get flo for 3 years.

 

[Kangaroo]

You mean how Adam got owned in the second half of the playoff game including getting Romo killed on the final drive. Please Flo was part of the problem in the 2nd half against the Giant's Dline he wilted when it mattered most in the playoffs

 

[theogt]

I dont think there is any chance any of those guys play as well as flo next year, but without experience how will they get better. Playing any of the other 3 will definitely be a bump down in talent and quality of play next season, but will it be enough to derail the season or cause us to miss the playoffs? that is the bigger question.

they will be better from the offseason work and exposure to the league like all other rookies.

I just don't understand why we'd take bump down in talent just for the heck of it. It's not like we can't afford Flozell. We can. We can afford both him and Hamlin.

 

[theebs]

Pettigout was never the same level of player that Flozell was.

Yes I agree with that, but the giants have been talented and have been a playoff team, so to just stick diehl over there was a risk. It paid off.

I mean he is an upgrade over whimper for sure, but still a risk.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I've said it before and I'll say it again I'm NOT thrilled with any notion that has an unproven LT like Free or McQ protecting the blind side of our franchise QB. I'm not thrilled with that idea at all. I'd much rather sign Flo to a 4 or 5 year deal (which isn't really all that much of a stretch to think he'll play at 36 or 37 when lots of NFL linemen do so) and keep him in place till we've got guys with more experience or battle ready.

I'd rather just not gamble at the LT spot at this time.

 

[theebs]

I just don't understand why we'd take bump down in talent just for the heck of it. It's not like we can't afford Flozell. We can. We can afford both him and Hamlin.

Same reason everyone does in this league, the salary cap and the importance of young players.

Its a tough call. I would love to have him back.

there is risk either way, In my gut I would rather risk over paying flo and having a minor cap issue in a year or two, but my head says the reward of risking free or mcquistan would be greater if it worked out. You would have a new young lt and more cap space.

Its going to be an interesting 8 weeks to say the least.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

At the minimum you franchise Flo for 1 yr and see if you have something in Free or McQ. You simply can't let a ProBowl LT who's basically in his prime walk out the door. LT don't grow on trees!

We really don't have the cap space to franchise Adams and do the other things we need to accomplish this offseason.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Pettigout was never the same level of player that Flozell was. Add to the fact that Diehl was already a starting lineman as opposed to a second year player who spent their first year on the bench.

How do you know he wasn't?


Rich's numbers show Adams to be the 11th best LT in the NFL. That's good but it's not like he can't be replaced.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Same reason everyone does in this league, the salary cap and the importance of young players.

Its a tough call. I would love to have him back.

there is risk either way, In my gut I would rather risk over paying flo and having a minor cap issue in a year or two, but my head says the reward of risking free or mcquistan would be greater if it worked out. You would have a new young lt and more cap space.

Its going to be an interesting 8 weeks to say the least.

Nice reply.


The folks that don't understand the cap nor how transitioning from one player to another works, won't "get-it", but that's how teams achieve long-term success as opposed to being one-year wonders.

 

[theogt]

Nice reply.


The folks that don't understand the cap nor how transitioning from one player to another works, won't "get-it", but that's how teams achieve long-term success as opposed to being one-year wonders.

Talk to your friend AdamJT about this one. Maybe you think he doesn't "get it." The bottom line is that we can afford Flozell. The cap room is not a problem.

 

[jterrell]

All these Flo lovers act as if there's no life after Flo.

We need to move on and not sign players with age. We simply have to get younger and cheaper. There's no way we can afford a 35 year old OT who's going to command $10 mil a year.

We have to move on. Such is life.

Heck, if it were up to some of you guys ... Michael Irvin would still be playing.

I think you have to distinguish age by position.

OL is not exactly a position for young guys.
Especially not at LT.

You can basically spend a high first, get lucky in the draft or pay through the nose.

Flozell is a top 10 LT. We have to have solid LT play if we are going to play with Romo having time to improvise and play his game.

10 million per year is not what kills you, it is the long term costs of paying someone past their ability to perform.

If someone can take Flo's job great, but they haven't been able to.

I don't think it makes any sense whatsoever to enter a Super Bowl contending season making yourself worse at a cornerstone position just to get younger.

Flo does have age on him which means he will be sign-able. Other teams aren't going to pay him a fortune to come in and learn their scheme. He fits us and Houck quite well so the value is there for us.

Flo is the top priority if only because Barber is restricted and he can't go anywhere without a poison pill type deal.

 

[Kangaroo]

The reason why Flo will be gone

1st: We have young upcoming linemen

2nd: Here is the list of things we need besides Flo's salary eating up cap space

1. Resign Hamlin or sign another FS
2. We need 1-2 CB at least one of them a solid inexpensive vet
3. We need a speed WR to replace Glen
4. Draft Picks (to sign)
5. Not to mention RFA offers to Barber and Canty
6. Another RB

Some people want a big splash in FA while that means no Flo then

 

[jterrell]

I dont think there is any chance any of those guys play as well as flo next year, but without experience how will they get better. Playing any of the other 3 will definitely be a bump down in talent and quality of play next season, but will it be enough to derail the season or cause us to miss the playoffs? that is the bigger question.

they will be better from the offseason work and exposure to the league like all other rookies.

I hear ya there but then why pay any vet who has to be re-signed?

I can tell you there is a far greater chance we could replace Marion Barber than we can Flo....

Why? Because starting LT are soooo hard to find.

Do you risk the QBs' blindside? Heck no man, heck no.

The other issue is right now you have a backup LT in Free. If Flo walks who is the backup then....

You do not want to subtract on the OL.
A re-commitment to the OL is how we just had an offensive renewal.

Pay Flo his 10 mil but insure he can be cut if he gets beat out. It is worth a huge investment to protect Romo.

 

[jterrell]

The reason why Flo will be gone

1st: We have young upcoming linemen

2nd: Here is the list of things we need besides Flo's salary eating up cap space

1. Resign Hamlin or sign another FS
2. We need 1-2 CB at least one of them a solid inexpensive vet
3. We need a speed WR to replace Glen
4. Draft Picks (to sign)
5. Not to mention RFA offers to Barber and Canty
6. Another RB

Some people want a big splash in FA while that means no Flo then

Jerry has already stated Flo is a priority to re-sign.
And we have the cap room to sign him.

 

[theebs]

I hear ya there but then why pay any vet who has to be re-signed?

I can tell you there is a far greater chance we could replace Marion Barber than we can Flo....

Why? Because starting LT are soooo hard to find.

Do you risk the QBs' blindside? Heck no man, heck no.

The other issue is right now you have a backup LT in Free. If Flo walks who is the backup then....

You do not want to subtract on the OL.
A re-commitment to the OL is how we just had an offensive renewal.

Pay Flo his 10 mil but insure he can be cut if he gets beat out. It is worth a huge investment to protect Romo.

I hear ya, and like I said I can see it both ways and Really am not sure what is the right or wrong decision.

As far as backups go, there is Mcquistan, marten and in a pinch leonard davis and of course this years draft.

I dont know what the answer is.

 

[Kangaroo]

I hear ya there but then why pay any vet who has to be re-signed?

I can tell you there is a far greater chance we could replace Marion Barber than we can Flo....

Why? Because starting LT are soooo hard to find.

Do you risk the QBs' blindside? Heck no man, heck no.

The other issue is right now you have a backup LT in Free. If Flo walks who is the backup then....

You do not want to subtract on the OL.
A re-commitment to the OL is how we just had an offensive renewal.

Pay Flo his 10 mil but insure he can be cut if he gets beat out. It is worth a huge investment to protect Romo.

That is kind of Funny the Giants and Colts did it with no issues this year with young guys hum so two playoff teams lost there starting LT last year and had no issues

 

[lane]

You mean how Adam got owned in the second half of the playoff game including getting Romo killed on the final drive. Please Flo was part of the problem in the 2nd half against the Giant's Dline he wilted when it mattered most in the playoffs

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Talk to your friend AdamJT about this one. Maybe you think he doesn't "get it." The bottom line is that we can afford Flozell. The cap room is not a problem.

I didn't say we couldn't afford Adams.

I said that we couldn't franchise the guy and do everything else we want to do.

I'll chip in some money so you can get some new specs Theo.