Giants Fan Here

[Idgit]

Anybody who doesn't recognize that the Giants are the class of the NFL right now is in denial. Will they finish the year that way? Who knows. I'm hard pressed to find a way they don't, short of significant injuries or the team collapsing on itself at some point.

 

[hyruleguardian]

Thank you for sealing your fate. You're not the best until you prove something, which the Giants have not done yet. The Patriots were being called the greatest team ever last year, but by my tally 18-1 equals failure.

Maybe it's just me.

Oh, and even though I'm an agnostic, I might convert just to pray daily for an early exit by the Giants.

FWIW, I hated the Giants long before their fans were diluted enough to think they are the best.

They're a good team, no doubt. On that note, let it be known that I predicted right here on CZ On December 6th, 2008 that not only will the Giants not win the Super Bowl this season, but they will not even make it.

They will make an exit from the playoffs in glorious fashion, by a final score of 42-12. Remember these words, they will eat at you the entire offseason buddy.

This is hysterical. You call yourself agnostic yet you seem superstitious enough to believe in any holy scripture word-for-word.

Some random Giants fan saying his team is the best in the league (which it is right now, by the way) does not ensure the Giants will lose in the postseason.

If the Giants lose in the postseason (and the odds of this are greater than 50%) and you think that what you or anyone else writes on a message board has anything to do with it, you need your head examined.

You think you are the only person who will predict the Giants will lose? In any case your opinion is not an objective one, as you are a self-professed Giants hater, thus rendering your opinion biased and useless.

I myself think the Giants will PROBABLY NOT win the Super Bowl this year. The odds are just against it. The Patriots may have been the greatest team of all-time last year and they didn't win the Super Bowl. With few exceptions, nothing is certain in sports, and no team is ever more likely to win a championship than they are not likely to win a championship.

All that being said, the Giants are the best team in the NFL right now, and if you think otherwise you're just deluding yourself.

 

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Your win/loss record isn't an accurate account of your talent.

Need I remind you that your sole loss came to the Browns. And they made your "vaunted" defense look like eleven different flavors of clam chumpder.

Teams can find ways to lose.
Teams can also find ways to not win.

Keep that in mind down the stretch because we're going to see just how your team meshes together now that some of your impact players are under fire.

Yup. The Giants lost to the Browns. Eli threw 3 INT's. The defense did not play well. It was a Monday Night in Cleveland. Cleveland was fired up and played very well. Sure, it can happen any week. But so far, it has happened once.

The Cowboys on the other hand could be playing the Giants for their playoff lives. That will depend on what happens this week with them in Pittsburgh.

Right now, I would take the Giants position. Yeah, I know, last year Cowboy fans were saying the same thing. Well, I would still rather the Giants' position right now.

The Giants' talent plus coaching is why they are where they are.

Thank you for sealing your fate. You're not the best until you prove something, which the Giants have not done yet. The Patriots were being called the greatest team ever last year, but by my tally 18-1 equals failure.

Maybe it's just me.

Oh, and even though I'm an agnostic, I might convert just to pray daily for an early exit by the Giants.

FWIW, I hated the Giants long before their fans were diluted enough to think they are the best.

They're a good team, no doubt. On that note, let it be known that I predicted right here on CZ On December 6th, 2008 that not only will the Giants not win the Super Bowl this season, but they will not even make it.

They will make an exit from the playoffs in glorious fashion, by a final score of 42-12. Remember these words, they will eat at you the entire offseason buddy.

The Giants haven't proven anything yet? They are defending Super Bowl champions and are currently 11-1. Over the last several years they have lost Tiki Barber, Jeremy Shockey, Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora is out for the season, and now Burress is out for the year but they are 3-0 without him anyway. Hmmmm, sounds like they've proven plenty. But there is more to go hopefully.

 

[interestedobserver]

Thank you for sealing your fate. You're not the best until you prove something, which the Giants have not done yet. The Patriots were being called the greatest team ever last year, but by my tally 18-1 equals failure.

Maybe it's just me.

Oh, and even though I'm an agnostic, I might convert just to pray daily for an early exit by the Giants.

FWIW, I hated the Giants long before their fans were diluted enough to think they are the best.

They're a good team, no doubt. On that note, let it be known that I predicted right here on CZ On December 6th, 2008 that not only will the Giants not win the Super Bowl this season, but they will not even make it.

They will make an exit from the playoffs in glorious fashion, by a final score of 42-12. Remember these words, they will eat at you the entire offseason buddy.

Why do people keep throwing up the example of the Patriots as a way of saying the Giants are overrated? In my book, the fact that the Giants beat the Patriots adds to the luster. The Giants are a good team that so far has lost three stars this season, Plax, Shockey, and Osi. And so far it hasn't hurt them.

 

[Blitzburgh06]

Romo is a legend in our part of the woods.

He is also better than Eli.

Please tell me your kidding..

 

[Extreme]

Just to clear some things up, since apparently a few people misunderstood what I said.....

1. I am agnostic. Saying I would convert and pray for the Giants to lose does not mean I am not agnostic. It was called tongue in cheek. If you don't get it, I don't know what to say. BTW, superstition has absolutely nothing to do with religion in my opinion, so throwing that in was absurd.

2. I NEVER said the Giants were overrated. They have a good team, nobody doubts that. I just said they haven't proven anything yet, because they haven't won anything except a bunch of regular season games, which means so far they have only been the best during the regular season.

3. I never said that my thoughts or predictions, nor did I insinuate otherwise, would have anything to do with anything. It's just my opinion. It is my thought that any team that plays NY in the post season will be a far better caliber team than what they have faced so far. Teams generally play harder in the postseason than they do in the regular season. Not always mind you, but they try a lot more than they would in say week 1-4.

That being said, I still don't think being defending champs and being 11-1 means squat. Once the postseason starts, everybody is 0-0 again. If you got ten free points for having a better record during the season, it would be different, but you don't. The win-loss column only matters when it comes to getting you there. What you do after you get there is an entirely different story, and anyone who thinks otherwise is the true example of being diluted.

In the past 25 years, the team with the best regular season record has only won the Super Bowl 3 times. That means if you finish the season with the best record, you stand only a 12% chance of winning it all. That means you have an 88% chance of NOT winning it all.

Another interesting stat.....There is only one time in NFL history that the defending champion won the most regular season games and repeated as champions, and that was the 1989 San Francisco 49ers. Based on that fact, the Giants have about a 2% chance of repeating if they finish the regular season with the best record.

You can say history doesn't matter all you want, but if it didn't matter, then the odds would be even or swinging the other way and they aren't.

So, based on my personal hatred for them, and the entire history of the NFL, I say again that the NY Giants will not win the Super Bowl.

 

[03EBZ06]

Please tell me your kidding..

Why would he be kidding? He believes Romo is better than Eli as well as many posters on here, so what is it about that comment that you are having problem with?

 

[hyruleguardian]

When you says the Giants haven't proven anything, you really miss the point. No one is saying the Giants have already been declared the 2008-09 champions. Of course they could lose. But to say this Giants team HASN'T PROVEN ANYTHING? If winning the Super Bowl last year and starting this year 11-1 isn't PROVING SOMETHING, nothing is. By your standard it is impossible for any team to prove anything. By your standard, the 49ers haven't proven they are a subpar team yet because they are still in the playoff hunt.

You say other teams generally play "harder" in the postseason. Well then don't you think the Giants could play "harder" as well? You seem to make the assumption that the Giants have already shown their A game while other teams have yet to bring theirs. This is quite the false assumption.

"In the past 25 years, the team with the best regular season record has only won the Super Bowl 3 times. That means if you finish the season with the best record, you stand only a 12% chance of winning it all. That means you have an 88% chance of NOT winning it all.

Another interesting stat.....There is only one time in NFL history that the defending champion won the most regular season games and repeated as champions, and that was the 1989 San Francisco 49ers. Based on that fact, the Giants have about a 2% chance of repeating if they finish the regular season with the best record."

All you proved with all of that is that you have no comprehension of how numbers work. First of all, how many teams do you think have been Super Bowl champions and then followed the next season by having the best record? The answer: not many. Your answer of 2% assumes that this happens every year.

And in any case that's not how things work, sorry to burst your bubble.

If you want a more accurate assessment of the Giants chances this year...

I will estimate they have a 2/3 chance of winning each of their playoff games, which I find realistic. Since they will have a first-round bye, their odds of winning the Super Bowl this year would be about 30%, which is probably the best of anyone in football. But even my assumption of saying they have a 2/3 chance of winning each playoff games means they still won't win the Super Bowl 70% of the time.

In any case, these numbers are useless. All that matters is watching the game played on the field.

 

[interestedobserver]

Best record and homefield throughout is huge. That means they "only" need to win three games. Also, remember the Giants are beating teams with winning records every week.

 

[hyruleguardian]

There is no doubt that saying the Giants have a 2/3 chance of winning each playoff game just might be underestimating their odds a little bit... but I certainly don't want to be accused of overestimating their odds on a Cowboys board. Maybe they have a 35% chance, but eh, what does it matter.

 

[Extreme]

When you says the Giants haven't proven anything, you really miss the point. No one is saying the Giants have already been declared the 2008-09 champions. Of course they could lose. But to say this Giants team HASN'T PROVEN ANYTHING? If winning the Super Bowl last year and starting this year 11-1 isn't PROVING SOMETHING, nothing is.

All it proves is that you were the best team LAST YEAR.

All you proved with all of that is that you have no comprehension of how numbers work. First of all, how many teams do you think have been Super Bowl champions and then followed the next season by having the best record? The answer: not many.

You just proved my point dunce.

Your answer of 2% assumes that this happens every year.

So, according to you 2% is nearly every year? What kind of ******** math is that? 100% would be every year, quit confusing yourself, you're proving my case of you being an idiot.

And in any case that's not how things work, sorry to burst your bubble.

That is how things work, actually, you're just too terrible at comprehending simple math that the point completely bypassed your brain, but that's ok. You're a Giants fan, I wouldn't expect anything else.

If you want a more accurate assessment of the Giants chances this year...I will estimate they have a 2/3 chance of winning each of their playoff games, which I find realistic.

Well, considering there would only be 2 teams playing, I'd say their chance of winning would be more like 1/2. You really don't grasp math at all do you?

Since they will have a first-round bye, their odds of winning the Super Bowl this year would be about 30%, which is probably the best of anyone in football.

Ok, even though you won't understand any of this, try to follow. I will hold your hand along the way if you want me to.....

Teams playing in the first round will each be 1 of 12 teams playing to win it all. Therefore, each team in the first round, technically only has an 8.3% chance of winning the Super Bowl. Are you still with me?

In the second round, there will be 8 teams playing. Because of this, the probability of a second round team winning it all is 12.5%.

In the third round, you have 4 teams, giving each a 25% shot of winning it all. Finally, the Super Bowl is 2 teams, making it a 50% chance to win.

So, show me how you come up with them having a 30% shot at winning, because based on math they don't, no team does.

But even my assumption of saying they have a 2/3 chance of winning each playoff games means they still won't win the Super Bowl 70% of the time.

***? Even if your statement made any sense at all, they would not have a 70% chance of losing, they would only have a 33.3% chance of losing. Like I said, you have no grasp of simple math, so quit while you're behind. Look at it like this.....2/3=66.6%. If you say they have a 66.6% chance of winning their games, then how could you also say they have a 70% chance of losing? That would be 136.6%. Unless you recently created an entirely new numerical system that only you know about, this makes no sense.

In any case, these numbers are useless. All that matters is watching the game played on the field.

True, but the numbers are more useless to you, because you have no comprehension of them.

In case you're interested hot shot, I was a math major. So if you want to get in a battle of knowledge with me in my field, bring your calculator and some correct answers next time.

 

[hyruleguardian]

Extreme... normally I wouldn't even respond to someone who's mind is as slow as yours... but in this case I just can't resist.

"So, according to you 2% is nearly every year? What kind of ******** math is that? 100% would be every year, quit confusing yourself, you're proving my case of you being an idiot.

What I was referring to was that you estimated the Giants chances of winning at 2% based on extremely faulty premises. It's really just not worth getting into the details.

"Well, considering there would only be 2 teams playing, I'd say their chance of winning would be more like 1/2. You really don't grasp math at all do you?"

Ummm... do you understand how things work? When 2 unequal teams face off, they do not both have a 50% chance of winning the game. If, for example, the New York Giants are playing the Detroit Lions, the Lions have closer to a 5% chance of winning the game than a 50% chance. Playing a football game is not the equivalent of flipping a coin if the two teams are unequal.

"Ok, even though you won't understand any of this, try to follow. I will hold your hand along the way if you want me to.....

Teams playing in the first round will each be 1 of 12 teams playing to win it all. Therefore, each team in the first round, technically only has an 8.3% chance of winning the Super Bowl. Are you still with me?

In the second round, there will be 8 teams playing. Because of this, the probability of a second round team winning it all is 12.5%.

In the third round, you have 4 teams, giving each a 25% shot of winning it all. Finally, the Super Bowl is 2 teams, making it a 50% chance to win.

So, show me how you come up with them having a 30% shot at winning, because based on math they don't, no team does."

This is the same problem you had before. You seem to think that every team that makes the playoffs has an equal chance of winning the Super Bowl. Every team has a CHANCE, but not an equal chance. It's pretty baffling that you do not understand this.

"***? Even if your statement made any sense at all, they would not have a 70% chance of losing, they would only have a 33.3% chance of losing. Like I said, you have no grasp of simple math, so quit while you're behind. Look at it like this.....2/3=66.6%. If you say they have a 66.6% chance of winning their games, then how could you also say they have a 70% chance of losing? That would be 136.6%. Unless you recently created an entirely new numerical system that only you know about, this makes no sense."

Again, you just failed to understand. I said that IF we go on the assumption that the Giants have a 2/3 chance of winning each of their games (of course this figure may not be accurate, but I'm using it as an example), they have roughly a 30% of winning the Super Bowl. This is because the Giants would have to win 3 playoff games to win the Super Bowl. So it's 2/3 to the 3rd power, or 2/3 x 2/3 x 2/3 = 8/27, which is approximately 30%.

Another very poor assumption you make is assuming Giants fans are stupid. Here's a tip in life - don't generalize. For example, I don't assume all Commanders fans have poor comprehension skills just because you seem to.

 

[Seven]

Two different fans, of different teams, on a rivals MB, having a debate..................This is creeping me out.

 

[NYGIANTS=#1]

I think Eli is about an average qb with lots of talent around him. romo is definitely better. and I love Eli but romo just has more talent. Eli is a lucky qb. they gave him a great team so he could win. I'm still not sold on him yet.

bottom line is the giants had a lucky run last year, it was amazing but it was lucky. dallas is on that run this year. with there talent, toughness, heart and a truely great qb in the making leading them. I think they win it all. I hate to admit it but they are over do. giants were lucky to beat them last year. the better team lost.

 

[Extreme]

Duh duh duh duh I still don't get it duh duh duh duh I is a GEENYISS.

Save yourself from collapsing your brain. You couldn't be more wrong. While one team being better than the other usually mean they are more likely to win, it DOES NOT mean they have a better chance of winning.

ANY team, no matter who they are playing, has a 50/50 shot of winning any game. Likelihood does not alter mathematic equations, because you can not accurately place a number on probability of an outcome. If there are two components in a scenario, and only one possible outcome, each one will always have a 50/50 shot of winning, no matter what variables are introduced. You can't change mathematics or science to suit your argument, because it doesn't make a difference.

The Brown are 1-0 against the Giants this year. Does that mean they are better? They beat the Giants, and 11 teams lost to the Giants. Does that make Cleveland better than those 11 teams? All the rules of your made up formula say it does, do you want to argue against yourself now too, or admit you're wrong and math is not your subject?

 

[hyruleguardian]

Save yourself from collapsing your brain. You couldn't be more wrong. While one team being better than the other usually mean they are more likely to win, it DOES NOT mean they have a better chance of winning.

ANY team, no matter who they are playing, has a 50/50 shot of winning any game. Likelihood does not alter mathematic equations, because you can not accurately place a number on probability of an outcome. If there are two components in a scenario, and only one possible outcome, each one will always have a 50/50 shot of winning, no matter what variables are introduced. You can't change mathematics or science to suit your argument, because it doesn't make a difference.

The Brown are 1-0 against the Giants this year. Does that mean they are better? They beat the Giants, and 11 teams lost to the Giants. Does that make Cleveland better than those 11 teams? All the rules of your made up formula say it does, do you want to argue against yourself now too, or admit you're wrong and math is not your subject?

Look, you're not all that bright. The only thing I'm trying to figure out as if you find this all terribly funny to act this stupid or if you actually are this stupid... I'm hoping for the former, but I somehow doubt it.

 

[hyruleguardian]

I think Eli is about an average qb with lots of talent around him. romo is definitely better. and I love Eli but romo just has more talent. Eli is a lucky qb. they gave him a great team so he could win. I'm still not sold on him yet.

bottom line is the giants had a lucky run last year, it was amazing but it was lucky. dallas is on that run this year. with there talent, toughness, heart and a truely great qb in the making leading them. I think they win it all. I hate to admit it but they are over do. giants were lucky to beat them last year. the better team lost.

And this dude obviously is a Cowboys fans disguising himself as a Giants fan... so I suppose it's possible that Extreme is simply disguising himself too...

 

[Boysboy]

I think Eli is about an average qb with lots of talent around him. romo is definitely better. and I love Eli but romo just has more talent. Eli is a lucky qb. they gave him a great team so he could win. I'm still not sold on him yet.

bottom line is the giants had a lucky run last year, it was amazing but it was lucky. dallas is on that run this year. with there talent, toughness, heart and a truely great qb in the making leading them. I think they win it all. I hate to admit it but they are over do. giants were lucky to beat them last year. the better team lost.

:troll:

 

[Extreme]

And this dude obviously is a Cowboys fans disguising himself as a Giants fan... so I suppose it's possible that Extreme is simply disguising himself too...

Read my posts, I make no bones about it that i hate the Cowboys. I don't hold back, but I show respect where it's due. I hate fans that think their team is the greatest thing in the world no matter what. The Giants are not the best team in the league, the postseason will prove it. They are playing great football right now, but if they face Dallas in the playoffs, they will be destroyed.

If the Cowboys and Giants face off in the playoffs, it'll look something like this.....

Giants=Apollo
Cowboys=Drago

As much as I hate Dallas, they are unstoppable right now.

26-17

 

[hyruleguardian]

Read my posts, I make no bones about it that i hate the Cowboys. I don't hold back, but I show respect where it's due. I hate fans that think their team is the greatest thing in the world no matter what. The Giants are not the best team in the league, the postseason will prove it. They are playing great football right now, but if they face Dallas in the playoffs, they will be destroyed.

If the Cowboys and Giants face off in the playoffs, it'll look something like this.....

Giants=Apollo
Cowboys=Drago

As much as I hate Dallas, they are unstoppable right now.

26-17

Extreme, I know you are a Commanders fan... I think you missed my point there.

In any case, you say the Giants will lose in the playoffs as if its a foregone conclusion. Sorry to break it to you buddy, but you're not psychic. All I know is that the Giants have a better chance than anyone right now to win the Super Bowl.