Giants Win! Cowboys Improve Draft Spot!

[dogberry]

29: Ben Grubbs-G, Nick Mangold-C, Marlin Jackson-DB, Michael Jenkins-Wr, Nick Barnett-LB, Marc Colombo-T, Ryan Pickett-DT, R. Jay Soward-WR, Dimitrius Underwood-DE, John Avery-RB.

If it were my money, I'd take advantage of a desperate team and do another trade.

 

[BigDave95]

If it were my money, I'd take advantage of a desperate team and do another trade.

I wouldn't mind using our #22 and 3rd to trade up a little to the 17-18-19 range to get Talib, Sweed, or Malcolm Kelly.

And then use our #29 pick and trade back to get a mid 2nd (45-46-47) and a mid 3rd. We'd move up in the 1st, move up in the 3rd, and there will be a good RB with that 40-something pick.


This sucks!! I hate throwing out crazy draft scenarios this early. We should be getting ready for the Super Bowl. I want to throw up..............

 

[YosemiteSam]

I see that.

Explain this to me though.

Green Bay Opp. Win % = .469

Dallas Opp. Win % = .496

Indianapolis Opp. Win % = .516

How are we 28, Frisco through Indy 29, and Green Bay 30th?

I think these are in error. Unless you can show me where it has changed. Green Bay 28th, us at 29, and Frisco through Indy at 30th makes more sense to me.

Am I missing something?

Opp. Winning % has to do with tie breakers only. Winning percentage is the marker of where you draft. The only time that isn't true is with the two teams in the Superbowl. The only time Opp. Winning Percentage isn't used is if two teams have the same record, but one went to the playoffs and the other did not. The team not making the playoffs will draft first. (as you will see)

22. Dallas (from Cleveland) (10-6) Opp (.430) <-- Cleveland before Seattle
23. Seattle (10-6) Opp (.414)
24. Pittsburgh (10-6) Opp (.453)
25. Tennessee (10-6) Opp (.500)
26. San Diego (11-5) Opp (.500)
27. Jacksonville (11-5) Opp (.516)
28. Green Bay (13-3) Opp (.469)
29. Dallas (13-3) Opp (.496)
30. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) (13-3) Opp (.516)
31. New York Giants (10-6) Opp (.516)

The Giants pick 31st no matter if they win or lose due to the Cheatriots not getting a pick at all. Even though Seattle and Cleveland had the same record and Seattle's Opp Winning percentage is lower, Cleveland didn't make the playoffs and gets to draft first. (yay Cowboys)

 

[Avery]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but draft position is determined by your record at the time of elimination. In that scenario:

28. Dallas Cowboys - 13-4 (loss to NYG) .496
29. Indianapolis Colts - 13-4 (loss to SD), but higher &#37; at .516
30. Green Bay Packers - 14-4 (win vs SEA, loss to NYG).

I believe this order is correct.

 

[jdnoyes]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but draft position is determined by your record at the time of elimination. In that scenario:

28. Dallas Cowboys - 13-4 (loss to NYG) .496
29. Indianapolis Colts - 13-4 (loss to SD), but higher % at .516
30. Green Bay Packers - 14-4 (win vs SEA, loss to NYG).

I believe this order is correct.

I think its regular season records only, in which case we are 29. But, I hope you're right.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I guess the Super Bowl can't end in a tie. I don't want either team to win.

 

[Pabst]

Playoffs have no bearing whatsoever on draft position, with the only exception, of course, being the the Super Bowl winner and loser, which will pick last and second last respectively.

Dallas will pick 29th.

28. Green Bay
29. Dallas
30. Indy
31. New York

New York will be 31st regardless of the Super Bowl outcome, since the Patriots have been stripped of their pick for cheating.

 

[Hostile]

Opp. Winning % has to do with tie breakers only. Winning percentage is the marker of where you draft. The only time that isn't true is with the two teams in the Superbowl. The only time Opp. Winning Percentage isn't used is if two teams have the same record, but one went to the playoffs and the other did not. The team not making the playoffs will draft first. (as you will see)

22. Dallas (from Cleveland) (10-6) Opp (.430) <-- Cleveland before Seattle
23. Seattle (10-6) Opp (.414)
24. Pittsburgh (10-6) Opp (.453)
25. Tennessee (10-6) Opp (.500)
26. San Diego (11-5) Opp (.500)
27. Jacksonville (11-5) Opp (.516)
28. Green Bay (13-3) Opp (.469)
29. Dallas (13-3) Opp (.496)
30. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) (13-3) Opp (.516)
31. New York Giants (10-6) Opp (.516)

The Giants pick 31st no matter if they win or lose due to the Cheatriots not getting a pick at all. Even though Seattle and Cleveland had the same record and Seattle's Opp Winning percentage is lower, Cleveland didn't make the playoffs and gets to draft first. (yay Cowboys)

I know this.

All 3 teams are 13-3. Your highlighted order is the same as mine and it is contrary to the posted order on two major Draft sites.

You're agreeing with me and disagreeing with them for the exact same reasons.

 

[Hostile]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but draft position is determined by your record at the time of elimination. In that scenario:

28. Dallas Cowboys - 13-4 (loss to NYG) .496
29. Indianapolis Colts - 13-4 (loss to SD), but higher % at .516
30. Green Bay Packers - 14-4 (win vs SEA, loss to NYG).

I believe this order is correct.

I don't think so. Otherwise San Diego last year at 14-2 would have picked before the Saints. They went out in the Divisional round and the Saints went out in the Conference Championship round.

 

[SDogo]

I know this.

All 3 teams are 13-3. Your highlighted order is the same as mine and it is contrary to the posted order on two major Draft sites.

You're agreeing with me and disagreeing with them for the exact same reasons.

Another one, http://football.about.com/od/nfldraft/a/nfldraftorder.htm

I keep searching every site I can think of and keep coming up with the same thing

 

[HighTechDave]

I'm with you Hos. Those other sites are probably getting their info from ESPN, lol!

 

[SDogo]

Another

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/nfl_draft_order.cfm

 

[SDogo]

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2008.php

could go all day, I just don't get it

 

[SDogo]

http://east-coast-bias.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008-final-nfl-draft-order.html

 

[SDogo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

check this out, this explains what I was being told

 

[theogt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

check this out, this explains what I was being told

That's just wikipedia. It's edited by the public. Lots of people are probably confused about this, as it's not exactly intuitive that the rankings would work like this.

 

[SDogo]

That's just wikipedia. It's edited by the public. Lots of people are probably confused about this, as it's not exactly intuitive that the rankings would work like this.

I just find it really hard to believe you can click on 20 draft sites and all 20 of them would be wrong.

 

[Avery]

I'm confused. I think we should be #29 bases on opp. winning &#37;, but every site has us at #28. Everyone is stealing from someone who is wrong or we're wrong.

I posted the 'time of elimination' thing as perhaps credence to this train of thinking.

 

[theogt]

I just find it really hard to believe you can click on 20 draft sites and all 20 of them would be wrong.

Well, it depends on the what the precise rules are.

EastCoastBias has this:

Remaining 10 playoff teams are ranked based on their record at the time they were eliminated, if tied, they proceed with the tiebreaking procedures 4 though 7. [It is unclear whether the record of the playoff opponents is included in this SOS calculation, though people have indicated to me that they do] Note that a non-playoff team has priority over playoff teams with the same record, though they still pick behind playoff teams with a worse record.

So, basically, no one knows for sure, as they're not clear on the NFL.com website.

 

[SDogo]

I'm confused. I think we should be #29 bases on opp. winning %, but every site has us at #28. Everyone is stealing from someone who is wrong or we're wrong.

I posted the 'time of elimination' thing as perhaps credence to this train of thinking.

Join the rest of us. I can't find anything that says were 29th but all signs point to the fact we should be.: