Ginn Jr. dropping?

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Film doesnt lie....

Just You tube Ted Ginn....

 

[Bizwah]

Call it what you want, he lined up at WR for 3 years. Full time, part time..whatever.

Ok, I will.:tongue:

 

[Apollo Creed]

If he is there at 22, he'll be a Dallas Cowboy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I liked him a lot and was shocked he ran that fast. What always impressed me was how fluid and natural he looked on the football field .. liked Reggie Wayne or Tory Holt.

he's explosive once he gets the football in his hands to boot

 

[postal]

I wish I could've seen him play cb at osu, which I think he would've been great at. Not thats it's to late. The kid has skilz

 

[InmanRoshi]

I've always believed you draft the guy most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor with your first round draft pick, even if he is a "boom/bust" guy. Getting one special player makes up for two busts, maybe even three. You can get "solid" guys that fill holes in the other rounds or through mid-level free agency. You don't get a chance to add special talent through free agency, because they never see the market. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the Carpenter pick, because I didn't even think he was special in college. Ginn definitely has special talent, so I wouldn't mind him at 22, but I still haven't made up my mind who would be my pick there. I typically don't like drafting WR's in the first round, because you can get talented WR's anywhere in the draft.

 

[LatinMind]

Film doesnt lie....

Just You tube Ted Ginn....

you tube mike williams in college and then u say this statement again

 

[tyke1doe]

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Nov. 18th, 2006

Some are on, then off the bandwagon. Some are notorious flip floppers. Some watch one game and make a decision. Some pay too much attention to the underwear olympics. Some never see, and are simply media parrotheads.

Simply put, if you say one trick pony, your basic kick returner, no WR skills, bad hands...you just haven't seen the guy I have watched week in week out for 3 years.

I'll stand by my comment from last November....the rest can over analyze and find some reason to pass over the most explosive player on the board.

Agreed. And he was playing against top college programs.

And why the hate on punt return/kick return specialists?

Devin Hester was worth a first-round pick just based on his special teams play.

With a player like Hester, you basically start at the 40 yard line, especially if teams kick away from him. That's GREAT field position.

And if Ted Ginn Jr. is anywhere as good as Hester, heck, I'd spend a first-round on him in a heart beat just as a return specialist. But I think he's more than a return specialist, and he has a year to sit behind TO and Glenn and bulk up a bit.

Besides even with his size, with the rules favoring wide receivers, I don't see him taking a pounding.

But can you imagine a three-receiver offense of TO, Glenn and Ginn?

 

[jackrussell]

you tube mike williams in college and then u say this statement again

Mike Williams was NEVER as spectacular as Ted Ginn. Any fool could see that.

 

[jackrussell]

But can you imagine a three-receiver offense of TO, Glenn and Ginn?

Everyday and everynight.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

you tube mike williams in college and then u say this statement again

Obviously when you talk fluff comes out..

Mike Williams was a redzone threat at SC not a game breaker. Carson and Leinart threw Mike Williams endzone fades and thats how he scored most of his TD's. He was an excellent college receiver because he did not have to separate. They just threw it up and he was so physical that he could shed tackles.

Ted Ginn on the other hand can take it the distance ON ANY PLAY. You cant teach speed and Ted has it along with a 0-top end speed that we havent seen on the field in years.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Ginn Jr. has bust written all over him.

First, his speed is greatly exagerated. He's fast but he's a 10.5 hundred guy, not exactly world class speed.

Secondly, he has almost no feel for the WR position. With the Cover2 or some variation of it the most popular defense in the NFL, specifically to contain speed WRs like Ginn, it's best to see how he did in college against teams that predominately run the Cover2. Ginn had 8 catches for 76 yards against Penn State, a primarily Cover2 team, in three games.

They showed that when he's not against man to man with a free release, he cannot find holes in zones, and is easily contained.

 

[Hiero]

I dont think its going to fall. His speed is clear as day from the game tape, its obvious the guy has a really special level of speed and quickness.

 

[dbair1967]

I dont think its going to fall. His speed is clear as day from the game tape, its obvious the guy has a really special level of speed and quickness.

so did Alexander Wright and Ed Hervey

David

 

[Doomsday101]

w/ measuring 5'11" 178, and not running at the Combine, anyone think his stock drops from top 15, to bottom 1st?

I don't think he will drop much but I will say I'm a bit leery of Ginn. His speed in college was great but at this level it takes more than speed and I'm not completely sold on this guy as a top WR

 

[joseephuss]

I don't think he will drop much but I will say I'm a bit leery of Ginn. His speed in college was great but at this level it takes more than speed and I'm not completely sold on this guy as a top WR

Breasden(sp?) from Michigan is ever so slightly bigger and has shown he can be an explosive return man. Won't be much of a receiver in my opinion, but has had big games returning the ball. Will easily be available in later rounds because his 40 times is not as great as Ginn's. So, there are options if Dallas is indeed searching for a return man.

Devon Hester was the exception to the rule about drafting a return man early. Jimmy Johnson did the same thing in the 2nd round with Dallas' first pick in the 1993 draft when he picked Kevin Williams. Good returner(not great) and lousy receiver.

 

[Doomsday101]

Breasden(sp?) from Michigan is ever so slightly bigger and has shown he can be an explosive return man. Won't be much of a receiver in my opinion, but has had big games returning the ball. Will easily be available in later rounds because his 40 times is not as great as Ginn's. So, there are options if Dallas is indeed searching for a return man.

Devon Hester was the exception to the rule about drafting a return man early. Jimmy Johnson did the same thing in the 2nd round with Dallas' first pick in the 1993 draft when he picked Kevin Williams. Good returner(not great) and lousy receiver.

I would hope we would look at a WR who is more than just a return man.

 

[joseephuss]

I would hope we would look at a WR who is more than just a return man.

Me too. Maybe either Hurd or Austin will develop into a good receiver. I am not sold on Ginn. Sure Dallas needs to develop a future receiver, but they have other immediate needs in the 1st round instead of taking a project.

 

[speedkilz88]

I've always believed you draft the guy most likely to end up on the Ring of Honor with your first round draft pick, even if he is a "boom/bust" guy. Getting one special player makes up for two busts, maybe even three. You can get "solid" guys that fill holes in the other rounds or through mid-level free agency. You don't get a chance to add special talent through free agency, because they never see the market. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the Carpenter pick, because I didn't even think he was special in college. Ginn definitely has special talent, so I wouldn't mind him at 22, but I still haven't made up my mind who would be my pick there. I typically don't like drafting WR's in the first round, because you can get talented WR's anywhere in the draft.

I agree with that philosophy, except I disagree that player fits that philosophy. How many 5-11 178 speedy wrs in the modern era have been HOFs? I don't know if this guy is as good as Rocket Ismail who was similar size and who isn't even close to being a HOF. Joey Galloway who is even bigger? nope. Terry Glenn? nope.

Steve Smith is about the only guy recently that I can think of and he is a thick and physical little guy and he certainly wasn't thought to be that good when he came out. Almost all those type guys are the bigger variety of recievers.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Ginn Jr. has bust written all over him.

First, his speed is greatly exagerated. He's fast but he's a 10.5 hundred guy, not exactly world class speed.

Secondly, he has almost no feel for the WR position. With the Cover2 or some variation of it the most popular defense in the NFL, specifically to contain speed WRs like Ginn, it's best to see how he did in college against teams that predominately run the Cover2. Ginn had 8 catches for 76 yards against Penn State, a primarily Cover2 team, in three games.

They showed that when he's not against man to man with a free release, he cannot find holes in zones, and is easily contained.

When he has in HIGH SCHOOL.....He can fly and if he trained that why all the time he could still do something in track. Was National champ in high school as 110M hurdles.

But speed aside...

He is a big play waiting to happen. Whether it be on Kickoff, Punt Return , or as WR. The ONLY thing I question about Ted Ginn is his durabilty. He is rail thin and never really took a solid shot that would knock him out at OSU. I am a Big Ten fan and caught alot of their games in "regional coverage" and was impressed at how explosive he was. Sure it will take 2-3 years to hone his route running and who better to teach him than fellow alum Terry Glenn.

His playmaking talent in undenialble but if he is there at 22 and say Jarvis Moss, Spencer, Levi Brown or Nelson is there.

Who do we take????????????

I cant wait for the DB's and LB/DE's to run. If Moss runs a low 4.5 or even breaks 4.5, I think he will be gone by then.