Give the Gig to Garrett!

[RoyTheHammer]

Pay no mind to the 'Merovingian' there.

Some people need this place to feel better about themselves, like they're somehow smarter than they truly are. I guess this forum complensates for things they don't get in the real world.

Any alleged interview further shows that the "Rooney Rule" is the same affirmative action mistake that has been made in the past.

The Vikings can name Leslie Frazier as head coach without talking to another candidate, while the Cowboys would be required to go through a 'sham' interview process knowing they already have the guy they want. They would be upsetting minorities candidates, many of whom wouldn't even agree to an interview for a job they know they have no chance of getting, and making a mockery of a now-oudated and embarrassing 'rule'.

Two wrongs not making a right.

Well said on all accounts here.

 

[Stash]

Well said on all accounts here.

Thank you kind sir!

:thankyou:

 

[AbeBeta]

And the 'rule' is now an embarrassing joke, whereas white candidates are now the party discrimated against.

Two wrongs not making a right.

How exactly are white candidates discriminated against? You can interview as many people as you want, so long as one is a minority.

 

[Stash]

How exactly are white candidates discriminated against? You can interview as many people as you want, so long as one is a minority.

Are Jason Garrett and Leslie Frazier being held to the same standards?

Do the Vikings have to interview a white candidate before hiring Frazier as their head coach if they so choose?

The answer is no.

 

[AbeBeta]

Are Jason Garrett and Leslie Frazier being held to the same standards?

Do the Vikings have to interview a white candidate before hiring Frazier as their head coach if they so choose?

The answer is no.

Both teams have to interview a MINORITY candidate. The teams are held to the same standard.

It is just plain stupid to suggest that you would need to interview a White candidate when the league has overwhelmingly hired White candidates for years. There have been something like 12-13 African American head coaches in the entire history of the NFL. I believe there have been 1 or 2 Hispanic head coaches. The idea that you should have to interview someone from the group that has overwhelmingly been advantaged in hiring throughout the history of the league is hold no water.

 

[Nirvana]

Could you continue to miss the point?

An interview has value to both the interviewee and the owner/GM - regardless of the outcome. You can call it a "sham" but the fact is that you don't get many shots in this league to interview - having a chance to interview with one of the best owners in the NFL is a huge opportunity and a major boost.

The rightness of the rule aside, there is nothing wrong with giving that boost to Ray Sherman and saving another guy a lot of time in thinking and preparing like he has a shot when he doesn't.

 

[Stash]

Both teams have to interview a MINORITY candidate. The teams are held to the same standard.

It is just plain stupid to suggest that you would need to interview a White candidate when the league has overwhelmingly hired White candidates for years. There have been something like 12-13 African American head coaches in the entire history of the NFL. I believe there have been 1 or 2 Hispanic head coaches. The idea that you should have to interview someone from the group that has overwhelmingly been advantaged in hiring throughout the history of the league is hold no water.

What's 'stupid', as you feel the need to use the word, is that all men aren't treated equally and the NFL still feels the need to use a discrimatory 'rule' to try to fix it, thereby discriminating in the process.

The world has moved beyond the need for such embarrassing 'rules'. And the NFL should do the same.

 

[AbeBeta]

The rightness of the rule aside, there is nothing wrong with giving that boost to Ray Sherman and saving another guy a lot of time in thinking and preparing like he has a shot when he doesn't.

Actually, I do see something wrong with that -- Sherman is a Cowboy coach and deals with Jones all the time -- although this might technically meet the criteria, the spirit of the rule is one to get guys exposure outside of their current organizations -- similarly, Jones loses the opportunity to get perspective from someone outside of Valley Ranch.

 

[AbeBeta]

What's 'stupid', as you feel the need to use the word, is that all men aren't treated equally and the NFL still feels the need to use a discrimatory 'rule' to try to fix it, thereby discriminating in the process.

The world has moved beyond the need for such embarrassing 'rules'. And the NFL should do the same.

All men are treated equally in the NFL?

Yes. That is why in a league where there are 1000s of African American players, the guys who end up being coaches have been overwhelmingly White.

 

[Nirvana]

The world has moved beyond the need for such embarrassing 'rules'. And the NFL should do the same.

Agree with this.

 

[Stash]

All men are treated equally in the NFL?

Yes. That is why in a league where there are 1000s of African American players, the guys who end up being coaches have been overwhelmingly White.

Best candidate for the job, regardless of color.

The mistakes and barriers of the past have thankfully been left behind.

 

[AbeBeta]

Best candidate for the job, regardless of color.

The mistakes and barriers of the past have thankfully been left behind.

So the best candidate for the job, up until the last few years, has always been White? You can't just flip a switch and say "Ok owners. Don't be racist anymore!

Nothing about the Rooney Rule makes any sort of hiring requirement. Owners may still hire whoever they find to be the best candidate. What it has done is make owners realize that sometimes the best candidate is someone that they wouldn't have otherwise considered.

 

[Stash]

So the best candidate for the job, up until the last few years, has always been White? You can't just flip a switch and say "Ok owners. Don't be racist anymore!

The world has moved past the need for such embarrassing 'rules' which discriminate in the very same way that they attempt to eliminate. What they accomplish is not equality.

Nothing about the Rooney Rule makes any sort of hiring requirement. Owners may still hire whoever they find to be the best candidate. What it has done is make owners realize that sometimes the best candidate is someone that they wouldn't have otherwise considered.

Great, the Dallas Cowboys would like to hire Jason Garrett for the job right now.

He's done a worthy job and we want to see what he can do for the future.

We feel he is the most worthy candidate and would like to continue with him.

"What do you mean we can't?"

 

[AbeBeta]

The world has moved past the need for such embarrassing 'rules' which discriminate in the very same way that they attempt to eliminate. What they accomplish is not equality.

Ah yes, the old "we have to be race-blind" argument.

Again, requiring an interview is not discrimination. It enhances opportunities for a group that has been clearly disadvantaged. There is no hiring requirement. Comparing that to practices that resulting is gross over representation of white candidates makes no sense. It is like comparing a group who gives scholarships to African Americans to the KKK.

Great, the Dallas Cowboys would like to hire Jason Garrett for the job right now.

He's done a worthy job and we want to see what he can do for the future.

We feel he is the most worthy candidate and would like to continue with him.

"What do you mean we can't?"

What? You mean just like Les Frazier can't be hired right now? You can't hire mid-season regardless of who you want to hire.

 

[bluenut]

Black coaches have more than proved that they "belong" as much as the "man" does. If they are overlooked or ignored due to race, it is THAT owner's loss.
Now...replying to this thread, it's only been a few games so wipe your mouths.
All interviews should still take place to make sure we don't miss any great coaches to be.

 

[Hostile]

Stash, I've said this to you before.

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That was excellent amigo.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

All men are treated equally in the NFL?

Yes. That is why in a league where there are 1000s of African American players, the guys who end up being coaches have been overwhelmingly White.

Ive always thought they should try out a white DB or RB before signing anyone.

You could find the next Peyton Hillis!

.......or the next Sabby Pascateli

 

[bluenut]

Stash, I've said this to you before.

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That was excellent amigo.

Did he agree w you then, too??lol
Just messin Hos.:laugh2: