Given that the NFL is a "copy cat" league...

[Juke99]

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl...

1- Do you think alot of teams will switch to a 3-4 defense?

2- If they do, how will that impact us?

I have my own thoughts on this...but I'd like to see what others think.

Thanks.

 

[Nors]

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl...

1- Do you think alot of teams will switch to a 3-4 defense?

2- If they do, how will that impact us?

I have my own thoughts on this...but I'd like to see what others think.

Thanks.

This is old news. Pats and Bellicheck have been running and winning in 3-4 past 5 years...... With Crennel and Mangini moving on the 3-4 base defenses will continue to rise.

We go get Abraham in offseason and I drop a new bomb.

 

[Eddie]

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl...

1- Do you think alot of teams will switch to a 3-4 defense?

2- If they do, how will that impact us?

I have my own thoughts on this...but I'd like to see what others think.

Thanks.

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl ...

- every team is going to draft a funny looking, long haired, Somoan for FS
- every team will scout Germany for big fat guys named Von something at NT
- every team is going to convert a QB to be their top WR

Sounds about right to me.

 

[Juke99]

This is old news. Pats and Bellicheck have been running and winning in 3-4 past 5 years...... With Crennel and Mangini moving on the 3-4 base defenses will continue to rise.

We go get Abraham in offseason and I drop a new bomb.

Hey Nors...I forgot....you know everything...except of course that IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE (which I watched, live) Mangini said that the would not necessarily be running a 3-4. You might want to pay attention before shooting from the hip with such arrogance.

 

[AsthmaField]

The only impact it would have on us is that the availability of the "tweeners" that fall in the draft will be lessened if other teams start switching to the 3-4.

Currently, a DE that is really fast and a good pass rusher, but soft against the run, will fall in the draft because he just isn't big enough to play 4-3 DE or too big and slow to play 4-3 OLB. However, those types are usually just right for OLB in a 3-4.

More 3-4 teams would mean those guys getting snatched up quicker in the draft.

Is that you thought on it Juke? What are your thoughts?

 

[Hostile]

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl...

1- Do you think alot of teams will switch to a 3-4 defense?

2- If they do, how will that impact us?

I have my own thoughts on this...but I'd like to see what others think.

Thanks.

Not really. Teams will continue to use what works based on their personnel. New England winning 3 Super Bowls impacted a few teams to play shadows. I don't count Dallas among those that changed because Parcells ran it before.

The top 2 or 3 defenses in the NFL still run a 4-3. I've been saying it for 3 years now, the scheme does not magically make a defense better, you have to have the personnel to make it work.

For all the blathering about the 3-4 and how it was going to be this great catalyst to glory the fact remains better players helped us improve on defense. It has always worked that way, it will always work that, and only those with little understanding of the game can't grasp that.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Not enough GOOD LBs or NTs in the NFL to have a lot of copycats.

 

[Nors]

Hey Nors...I forgot....you know everything...except of course that IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE (which I watched, live) Mangini said that the would not necessarily be running a 3-4. You might want to pay attention before shooting from the hip with such arrogance.

No arrogance - just the facts on recent 3-4 trends.

Mangini has spent a decade with Parcells/Bellicheck. He will install the 3-4 and you can book that.

Mangini will in short order move his team to 3-4 capable. Just like Saban - takes time. It will happen. Mangini fired his DC? What up wit Dat?

 

[Nors]

Not really. Teams will continue to use what works based on their personnel. New England winning 3 Super Bowls impacted a few teams to play shadows. I don't count Dallas among those that changed because Parcells ran it before.

The top 2 or 3 defenses in the NFL still run a 4-3. I've been saying it for 3 years now, the scheme does not magically make a defense better, you have to have the personnel to make it work.

For all the blathering about the 3-4 and how it was going to be this great catalyst to glory the fact remains better players helped us improve on defense. It has always worked that way, it will always work that, and only those with little understanding of the game can't grasp that.

Hos chasing his tail in a perpetual loop!

3 of the 4 teams left play the 4-3! There you go!
In last 3 years there has been a steady and consistent move to 3-4. Thats a fact.

Spin that all you want. And we are one of the 3-4 Base defenses. You fought, kicked and resisted -

 

[wileedog]

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl...

1- Do you think alot of teams will switch to a 3-4 defense?

Not a lot, because as you mentioned in another thread, there are a limited number of coaches thoroughly well versed in it, and a lot of established coaches who would never switch out of a 4-3.

The less the better for us.

 

[Juke99]

The only impact it would have on us is that the availability of the "tweeners" that fall in the draft will be lessened if other teams start switching to the 3-4.

Currently, a DE that is really fast and a good pass rusher, but soft against the run, will fall in the draft because he just isn't big enough to play 4-3 DE or too big and slow to play 4-3 OLB. However, those types are usually just right for OLB in a 3-4.

More 3-4 teams would mean those guys getting snatched up quicker in the draft.

Is that you thought on it Juke? What are your thoughts?

The reason why I didn't factor in what New England has done is because New England has been the exception and teams know that. They also had a coaching staff that was very comfortable and experienced with it. It was very easy for them to run the 3-4; Not so easy for other teams making a switch.

BUT if the Steelers also end up hoisting the Lombardi, I do think a few other teams will start to make the switch because a team, other than New England will have won with the 3-4.

The upside is that there will be more coaches to choose from when Parcells leaves. The downside is as you state, plus the fact that opposing teams will be more experienced in playing against it.

In any case, what we saw last year was a 3-4 in name only. Ultimately, the defense most often functioned as a traditional 4-3 in passing situations when Ware had his hand on the ground and lined up as a traditional 4-3 DE...and a 3-4 (like every team has in it's schemes) when Ware stood and dropped into coverage.

 

[Juke99]

Not a lot, because as you mentioned in another thread, there are a limited number of coaches thoroughly well versed in it, and a lot of established coaches who would never switch out of a 4-3.

The less the better for us.

You actually read AND remember what I've written elsewhere???!!

 

[junk]

In any case, what we saw last year was a 3-4 in name only. Ultimately, the defense most often functioned as a traditional 4-3 in passing situations when Ware had his hand on the ground and lined up as a traditional 4-3 DE...and a 3-4 (like every team has in it's schemes) when Ware stood and dropped into coverage.

I disagree. 4-3 is not nickel. We saw a lot of 3-4 (granted, it was a very vanilla 3-4, but 3-4 nonetheless).

The only 4-3 I ever saw was some over/under stuff run early in the season in probable running downs.

 

[Juke99]

I disagree. 4-3 is not nickel. We saw a lot of 3-4 (granted, it was a very vanilla 3-4, but 3-4 nonetheless).

The only 4-3 I ever saw was some over/under stuff run early in the season in probable running downs.

To me, when ya run a 3-4 with the OLB with his hand on the ground, you have a traditional 4-3. That's what I saw from this team. 3LB's, 4DB's, 4 Defenslive linemen in those situations

I'm not referring to situations where we pulled a LB in order to go into a nickel coverage.

 

[Hostile]

Hos chasing his tail in a perpetual loop!

3 of the 4 teams left play the 4-3! There you go!
In last 3 years there has been a steady and consistent move to 3-4. Thats a fact.

Spin that all you want. And we are one of the 3-4 Base defenses. You fought, kicked and resisted -

I didn't fight the 3-4. I didn't kick against it. I didn't resist it. I'm sorry you can't realize that. Then again you don't know the difference between a Delay and a Draw so why would I assume you know anything about Defense? Not that I ever did think that mind you.

I don't care what schemes the 4 teams left are playing. I care that we aren't there and that all your promises and platitudes of domination had about as much impact as I figured they would.

I've never said the 3-4 isn't a good defense. I've never said I don't like it. In fact I have said directly in response to you, numerous times, that I like the 3-4. I'm just not gullible enough to buy the nonsense you spew as if you're some kind of expert.

 

[Clove]

If the Steelers win the Super Bowl...

1- Do you think alot of teams will switch to a 3-4 defense?

2- If they do, how will that impact us?

I have my own thoughts on this...but I'd like to see what others think.

Thanks.

I think it takes too long to gather the appropriate talent for this scheme, plus you need a coordinator who knows how to properly run it.
To get proper personell, you need

NT = 320+ lbs
RE/LE = 295+ lbs
ROLB/LOLB =Hybrid/ DE/OLB with agility with no less than 250 lbs.
2 big ILB.

That takes a while to gather, but BP is a master of this defense and knew how to gather talent quickly. All we need to do now is get Zimmer to master the blitzing part of this defense, and add 3 more parts to it.
BTW, i'm congratulating myself on my 1000th post..

 

[Juke99]

I think it takes too long to gather the appropriate talent for this scheme, plus you need a coordinator who knows how to properly run it.
To get proper personell, you need

NT = 320+ lbs
RE/LE = 295+ lbs
ROLB/LOLB =Hybrid/ DE/OLB with agility with no less than 250 lbs.
2 big ILB.

That takes a while to gather, but BP is a master of this defense and knew how to gather talent quickly. All we need to do now is get Zimmer to master the blitzing part of this defense, and add 3 more parts to it.
BTW, i'm congratulating myself on my 1000th post..

Hos puts up a thousand posts in a slow morning...

Congrats. Nice milestone to reach.

 

[Juke99]

I didn't fight the 3-4. I didn't kick against it. I didn't resist it. I'm sorry you can't realize that. Then again you don't know the difference between a Delay and a Draw so why would I assume you know anything about Defense? Not that I ever did think that mind you.

I don't care what schemes the 4 teams left are playing. I care that we aren't there and that all your promises and platitudes of domination had about as much impact as I figured they would.

I've never said the 3-4 isn't a good defense. I've never said I don't like it. In fact I have said directly in response to you, numerous times, that I like the 3-4. I'm just not gullible enough to buy the nonsense you spew as if you're some kind of expert.

Would this be the same as calling someone's response arrogant?

 

[Clove]

Hos puts up a thousand posts in a slow morning...

Congrats. Nice milestone to reach.

Yeah I've noticed some you can lay them down by the 10s of hundreds. But you guys save me from bordom.

 

[Juke99]

Yeah I've noticed some you can lay them down by the 10s of hundreds. But you guys save me from bordom.

Well thankfully for some of us, the Zone don't track "qualilty' posts.