GMen-Warmack

[Bware_Dware]

Giants love them some Warmack. Hopefully boys do too

Per Rotoworld
"NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports the Giants would "love the opportunity" to draft Alabama OG Chance Warmack should he begin to slide on draft day.
The Giants draft at No. 19. Guards are typically drafted later than draftniks and mock drafts project, so Warmack slipping into the late teens certainly should not be ruled out. The Giants reportedly believe Warmack is "a great fit for their system," which focuses on power blocking and gap control. The Giants could plug in Warmack at left guard, upgrading on incumbent Kevin Boothe.
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[IAmLegend]

He will probably fall right into our laps and we'll end up drafting a WR and the Giants will snatch him up. Sounds like the Cowboy thing to do!

 

[Idgit]

He will probably fall right into our laps and we'll end up drafting a WR and the Giants will snatch him up. Sounds like the Cowboy thing to do!

No, it doesn't.

What if Warmack slides, though, and the Giants jump us to pick him up? With Cooper off the board? Our fans would be throwing themselves off of ledges and screaming all the way down to the ground.

 

[9darter]

What if Warmack slides, though, and the Giants jump us to pick him up? With Cooper off the board? Our fans would be throwing themselves off of ledges and screaming all the way down to the ground.

Of course not. If they trade ahead of Dallas and select Warmack, that's what they do and that's how the draft works.

Dallas shouldn't trade up for the guy. So if he's not there at 18, it is what it is.

 

[Idgit]

Of course not. If they trade ahead of Dallas and select Warmack, that's what they do and that's how the draft works.

Dallas shouldn't trade up for the guy. So if he's not there at 18, it is what it is.

Ha! You weren't here in 2009, then, when Max Unger was drafted in the second round and by a team that's not even in our division or considered a rival.

I'm not saying we should jump up to get anybody in this draft. Just mentioning the inevitability of the meltdown that would happen if an NFCE rival jumped over us to take the last 'elite' OG prospect in this draft given how dramatically overblown our current need for an upgrade at that position is on CZ right now. People would be choking on their own tears for the entirety of Warmack's career. That's a near-certainty.

 

[TheSport78]

Of course not. If they trade ahead of Dallas and select Warmack, that's what they do and that's how the draft works.

Dallas shouldn't trade up for the guy. So if he's not there at 18, it is what it is.

So if Warmack is the highest rated player remaining on Dallas' board say at #15, they should just sit back and let the Giants jump us? We'd have an all-pro G/C in Max Unger right now if we DIDN'T have your philosophy in 2009.

If you covet a player and you don't have to give up a king's ransom, make sure you get the guy.

 

[Fredd]

Ha! You weren't here in 2009, then, when Max Unger was drafted in the second round and by a team that's not even in our division or considered a rival.

I'm not saying we should jump up to get anybody in this draft. Just mentioning the inevitability of the meltdown that would happen if an NFCE rival jumped over us to take the last 'elite' OG prospect in this draft given how dramatically overblown our current need for an upgrade at that position is on CZ right now. People would be choking on their own tears for the entirety of Warmack's career. That's a near-certainty.

I wasn't on CZ back then either, but I know that people will go nuts if something like this did happen. Me? ih? if it happens, then someone else will be there for us...not worried...NO TRADE UPS!!!

So if Warmack is the highest rated player remaining on Dallas' board say at #15, they should just sit back and let the Giants jump us? We'd have an all-pro G/C in Max Unger right now if we DIDN'T have your philosophy in 2009.

If you covet a player and you don't have to give up a king's ransom, make sure you get the guy.

giants? if you are going to go there, then why not the Commanders? I know they don't have a first, but they trade picks like they have no other business to attend to...they could give up some package to get back into the first round (although I can't see us helping them)

 

[Bware_Dware]

I personally think its a smokescreen to get the Boys nervous and trade up to get him and lose a later pick doing it

 

[visionary]

Ha! You weren't here in 2009, then, when Max Unger was drafted in the second round and by a team that's not even in our division or considered a rival.

I'm not saying we should jump up to get anybody in this draft. Just mentioning the inevitability of the meltdown that would happen if an NFCE rival jumped over us to take the last 'elite' OG prospect in this draft given how dramatically overblown our current need for an upgrade at that position is on CZ right now. People would be choking on their own tears for the entirety of Warmack's career. That's a near-certainty.

Way to compare apples to oranges
How much does it cost to trade up in rd 1 vs rd 2?

In the current scenario, if all our other top rated prospects are gone, then this might be an issue (though I would still not trade up in rd 1 for an OG) but if warmack is there and cooper is there or Richardson is there you wait

 

[TheRomoSexual]

In the first round, you only trade up for certain positions. Guard is not one of those positions.

 

[Aven8]

He will be blowing our DL off the ball for the next 10 years!

 

[TheSport78]

In the first round, you only trade up for certain positions. Guard is not one of those positions.

If it's Cooper and he can be your dominant guard OR center of the future, I'm trading up for him.

 

[Leadbelly]

I personally think its a smokescreen to get the Boys nervous and trade up to get him and lose a later pick doing it

I think it's more to keep Dallas from trading down with someone that wants to hop over the Giants. Apparently there's some interest in Te'o and Ogletree around NY (19), Chicago (20) and Cincinnati (21).

The Giants almost never trade up or down in round 1. Dallas trades anytime Jerry's stomach grumbles. I imagine teams hate when Dallas drafts right in front of them.

:laugh2:

 

[punit328]

I would be sick if he went to the Giants

 

[DFWJC]

Trading up in round 1 is ultra-expensive.
I can't recall the last time NY did that.

But this does highlught we Dallas will want to think twice about trading down. The Giants and Dallas have similar needs this year.
Even if Cooper and Warmack are gone, they still may covet some of our same targets.

 

[TheSport78]

Trading up in round 1 is ultra-expensive.
I can't recall the last time NY did that.

But this does highlught we Dallas will want to think twice about trading down. The Giants and Dallas have similar needs this year.
Even if Cooper and Warmack are gone, they still may covet some of our same targets.

Not with the new rookie wage scale.

 

[DFWJC]

Not with the new rookie wage scale.

True
I meant regarding draft picks more than actual $.

For example, it cost us an extremely valuable 2nd rounder (that turned out to be a Pro Bowl level linebacker) last year in addition to our 1st rounder to move up.

Assuming we would not move up that much this year, it would still cost us our 3rd rounder....so maybe as starting Center or Guard or Safety....in additoon to what we would take at 18.
It's pricey.

 

[TheSport78]

True
I meant regarding draft picks more than actual $.

For example, it cost us an extremely valuable 2nd rounder (that turned out to be a Pro Bowl level linebacker) last year in addition to our 1st rounder to move up.

Oh no doubt about that. How sick would a LB trio of Carter, Lee and Wagner be?

 

[DFWJC]

Oh no doubt about that. How sick would a LB trio of Carter, Lee and Wagner be?

Insane.

 

[Eskimo]

If it's Cooper and he can be your dominant guard OR center of the future, I'm trading up for him.

Cooper is the only player in the first round that I would consider trading up for. The reason why is we would create an incredibly athletic left side of the OL for running screens and for pulling and getting out at the perimeter to make blocks in space. Warmack won't help us do those things at all. I also think Cooper is even more lethal than Warmack at getting out on the second level - you can youtube a video where he just flies out and absolutely destroys a LB in the complete openfield. He actually looks like an agile Safety coming out to cut the legs out of a RB. You can also see one where he pulls on a run and ends up blocking about 50 yards down the field. He is incredible for at playing in space and that is the name of today's game. That is why NO is so lethal on offense.

I believe the threat of screen with Tyron and Cooper would be so high that it would scare teams away from trying to blitz us at all for fear of us getting the OL downfield and outflanking them way downfield with Smith and Cooper picking off one player after another as the RB keeps running downfield.

I also believe the power differential between Cooper and Warmack is overstated. Cooper was still physically developing and after playing the season at 295 I think he was up around 311 at the Combine. I really believe this kid is going to be a multiple selection All-Pro.

The crux is how much would I be willing to give up. I'd definitely give up a fourth and I'd probably begrudgingly give up a third. I don't think we can give up a 2nd rounder again this year after last year's foolish tradeup. It is too bad we have so many needs that we can't adequately fill in FA .

Cooper is a gamechanger for us if we manage to acquire him. I"ll have my fingers crossed on draft day that OGs fall as they usually do.