GM's Comments on Roy Williams

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Have at 'em folks. I do think it is interesting that GMs endorse "myths" about Roy. I guess GMs don't know what they are talking about.

from ...http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10855212

Roy Williams, safety, Dallas


GM No. 1: "Probably a third-rounder. He's a box safety who's limited in coverage. In my estimation he's overrated because there are certain things he can't do -- though tackling isn't one of them. He's a good, physical player, but, like I said, he's limited. Now when you're looking at what you could get in the third round at safety, there's no comparison. He's better. Much better. Still, I wouldn't give up much more than that."

GM No. 2: "He's always been a talented player, but he's more of a linebacker than a safety who can cover. Someone like John Lynch. It's been documented how much trouble he has covering receivers, but he's very active and very physical. The guy has problems now, so how do you deal with it? The Cowboys do it by taking him off the field. From what I know of him he has no character issues, but now you have some of his teammates popping off and you wonder where it goes from here. But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him because he can't cover. He has to find a defense that suits him because the closer he is to the defensive line the better he is, and the farther away he is the more he becomes a liability."

GM No. 4: "You'd have to fit him to the right scheme because he's more of a box safety than he is someone who can help you in the passing game. He's still young and healthy, so that's good. And if you find the right club -- say, like a New England, where Rodney Harrison was a good fit -- he can be productive and make big plays. If I'm that team I might be interested in dealing a low second- or a third-round pick."
 

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Don't worry. These will just be added to the myth threads.

This will be quite the showdown. Myth thread vs GMs.
 

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abersonc;2108765 said:
Have at 'em folks. I do think it is interesting that GMs endorse "myths" about Roy. I guess GMs don't know what they are talking about.

from ...http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10855212

Roy Williams, safety, Dallas


GM No. 1: "Probably a third-rounder. He's a box safety who's limited in coverage. In my estimation he's overrated because there are certain things he can't do -- though tackling isn't one of them. He's a good, physical player, but, like I said, he's limited. Now when you're looking at what you could get in the third round at safety, there's no comparison. He's better. Much better. Still, I wouldn't give up much more than that."

GM No. 2: "He's always been a talented player, but he's more of a linebacker than a safety who can cover. Someone like John Lynch. It's been documented how much trouble he has covering receivers, but he's very active and very physical. The guy has problems now, so how do you deal with it? The Cowboys do it by taking him off the field. From what I know of him he has no character issues, but now you have some of his teammates popping off and you wonder where it goes from here. But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him because he can't cover. He has to find a defense that suits him because the closer he is to the defensive line the better he is, and the farther away he is the more he becomes a liability."

GM No. 4: "You'd have to fit him to the right scheme because he's more of a box safety than he is someone who can help you in the passing game. He's still young and healthy, so that's good. And if you find the right club -- say, like a New England, where Rodney Harrison was a good fit -- he can be productive and make big plays. If I'm that team I might be interested in dealing a low second- or a third-round pick."

One thing and then I am done.

Harrison is a cheater, a dirty player and I can't stand him.

But...

He has natural instincts against the pass that Roy has never had and probably never will have.

See ya.
 

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actually, what they say isn't that damning- basically that he can't cover very well, but that they all think he is a very good tackler and very physical and good in the box.. they say they'd give a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him.. and that he's much much better than any safety you'd find in the 3rd round.. they didn't exactly praise him, but they didn't rip him that much either..

personally, i think Roy plays big time this year.. he seems rededicated and focused on proving that he's still a big time player.. i say he'll be a Dallas Cowboy for a few more years..
 

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They hardly excoriated him, but it's nice to get some objective opinions for a change.
 

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dcfanatic;2108784 said:
One thing and then I am done.

Harrison is a cheater, a dirty player and I can't stand him.

But...

He has natural instincts against the pass that Roy has never had and probably never will have.

See ya.

What I like about Harrison is his leadership and his nasty attitude. If Roy had that..... yum.
 

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Nothing they said was on the list of myths, except the guy who said he "can't cover."
 

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GM No. 2: "He's always been a talented player, but he's more of a linebacker than a safety who can cover. Someone like John Lynch. It's been documented how much trouble he has covering receivers, but he's very active and very physical. The guy has problems now, so how do you deal with it? The Cowboys do it by taking him off the field. From what I know of him he has no character issues, but now you have some of his teammates popping off and you wonder where it goes from here. But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

Let me paraphrase: "I don't know much about him, but he sucks"
 

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EMMITTnROY;2108788 said:
personally, i think Roy plays big time this year.. he seems rededicated and focused on proving that he's still a big time player.. i say he'll be a Dallas Cowboy for a few more years..

I would love to see Roy play big time.

However, as a rule, if you can make a post like this about a guy every off-season then it becomes improbable that you will get the outcome you desire
 

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AdamJT13;2108799 said:
Nothing they said was on the list of myths, except the guy who said he "can't cover."

Be fair -- they all mentioned coverage as a limitation.

and really, that's the most important of the "myths"
 

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abersonc;2108803 said:
I would love to see Roy play big time.

However, as a rule, if you can make a post like this about a guy every off-season then it becomes improbable that you will get the outcome you desire
id say that this is the very first off-season where you could say this about Roy.. 2006 was the first season that some fans were that upset with Roy.. but there wasn't much talk of rededication and focus from Roy last year.. he seemed content with the way he was playing.. but this offseason there has been a ton of talk about Roy and he is actually coming out and saying that he is rededicated and focused on having a great year and getting back to his old style of playing.. that's what the whole number change back to 38 is about in the first place- for him, it's a symbol of going back to his old dominating self..
 

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I'd love to know who those GMs were. It would sure be nice to see how their opinions stack up with how they have actually done in evaluating talent in the last few years.
 

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They're not really saying anything that hasn't been said about him since he came out of the college. He's an "in the box" run-stopping safety, not a coverage safety.

Seems like you're reaching here a bit, abe.
 

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EMMITTnROY;2108812 said:
id say that this is the very first off-season where you could say this about Roy.. 2006 was the first season that some fans were that upset with Roy.. but there wasn't much talk of rededication and focus from Roy last year.. he seemed content with the way he was playing.. but this offseason there has been a ton of talk about Roy and he is actually coming out and saying that he is rededicated and focused on having a great year and getting back to his old style of playing.. that's what the whole number change back to 38 is about in the first place- for him, it's a symbol of going back to his old dominating self..

I was talking more about the general prediction that he'd get back on track. But let me say this, any time a guy has to "rededicate" and refocus then you've again got a low probability proposition.

and so I don't get labeled a Roy hater let me say again that I like Roy and I want him to do well
 

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abersonc;2108765 said:
But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

These are valuable sources CBS stumbled upon.
 

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theogt;2108816 said:
They're not really saying anything that hasn't been said about him since he came out of the college. He's an "in the box" run-stopping safety, not a coverage safety.

Seems like you're reaching here a bit, abe.

I'm not saying anything other than we have one camp saying "myth" and GMs endorsing that.

I'm not arguing the point either way -- just highlighting some opinions.
 

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abersonc;2108826 said:
I'm guessing that one was Matt Millen

Millen: "Roy Williams? Heck, he's on our team. He's not a safety, pal."
 

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abersonc;2108806 said:
Be fair -- they all mentioned coverage as a limitation.

and really, that's the most important of the "myths"

Let's hope the billionth time is the charm. It's not that Roy doesn't have limitations. It's not that he doesn't have limitations in coverage. It's that coverage plays that weren't his responsibility are often inaccurately or unfairly attributed to him.

There's nothing these anonymous GMs are saying that every RW supporter on this board wouldn't agree with except, as Adam noted, the guy who made the blanket statement that Roy categorically can't cover.
 
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