Goff is safer than Wentz

Yakuza Rich

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It's mostly about development for both guys here. I don't think either should start this season. And you need to surround them with quality teammates and coaching so they can progress instead of going into survival mode and not progress their skills. To me, this was Parcells' greatest strength as a coach...he could develop a QB better than anybody. Making Phil Simms a really good QB, Jeff Hostetler a sought out FA and Super Bowl winner, turning Vinny Testaverde into a world beater with the Jets, making Bledsoe far better than he was with any other coach, even making Ray freaking Lucas and Quincy Carter productive starters.

He was smart enough to get these QB's good/great TE's and good/great centers. Use the run game to take the pressure off the QB and get the defense to creep up more into the box.

I don't think one is safer than the other unless one has a very fragile mindset. It's all about how the organization develops that QB.






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I am still in favor of taking Lynch over Goff and Wentz. I think Lynch has a bigger ceiling than either guy. I liked the competition he played against (some very good defenses that were better than what Goff and Wentz faced) and I think his weaknesses are very correctable. If the desire and work ethic are there, I would gladly have him over Wentz and Goff.





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Right now, Wentz is a one-read QB who has not proven he can go through progressions and hit the right man. Watch his film; you rarely, if at all, see his head move from one side to the other before he throws.
If this is what you're taking away from Wentz film, then you need to re-watch his film or stop watching videos in 240p.
 

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No interest in safest option for QB. I like both and would be thrilled with either. Wentz seems stronger physically in and out of pocket. I assume both are accurate. I can't grade intelligence and processing but if those are even, give me Wentz. If Goff faster at reading and processing, give me Goff. Have no idea how to grade those traits.
 

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I am still in favor of taking Lynch over Goff and Wentz. I think Lynch has a bigger ceiling than either guy. I liked the competition he played against (some very good defenses that were better than what Goff and Wentz faced) and I think his weaknesses are very correctable. If the desire and work ethic are there, I would gladly have him over Wentz and Goff.





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I am on board with Lynch too. He was the #1 guy before the off season began. He's also a really cool customer, so I think he would do well with all the pressure in Dallas.
 

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http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/169473014/carson-wentz-nfl-draft

I realized very early on that I could play at that level and I'm guessing Wentz will as well. There's even less guesswork for him because all his Bison did during his time in Fargo was go undefeated, 4-0, against FBS schools before not being able to get one of them to even schedule North Dakota State in 2015 -- which is probably pretty smart when you consider that Kansas State back in 2013 was the only one of them that didn't get beat by double digits.

I think sometimes the Power Five conference teams get a little too much credit from coaches and scouts, let alone draft experts. Is it the highest level of college football? Absolutely. Is there a huge difference between that and the FCS? I didn't and haven't since found that to be the case.

The bottom line is that the jump from college football to the pros is a pretty big adjustment for everyone, whether you come from Alabama or Division III Hobart College, like Bucs starting right guard Ali Marpet, who is coming off of a very solid rookie campaign. The guys that are able to process things the fastest are the ones that make the transition the best because the "speed of the game" is really more about how quickly everything happens than it is the actual physical speed of the participants.

Having spoken to Wentz and watching him perform in the FCS National Championship game in person the last two years, I have very little doubt that he will get acclimated very quickly.

If I was able to survive at that level, my guess is Wentz will thrive.
 

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Not hard to figure out. Hard to swallow the cost of trading back up that high in the first rnd

That high? I'm projecting Lynch to be there in 25-31 range. We own the 34 pick I think so jumping less then 10 spots wouldn't be high
 

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These two guys reminds me of Aikman and Walsh. Not saying they are as good.

In the end I think it will turn out similar. Not the same. But I believe Wentz will be the better choice by a long shot.
 

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I am on board with Lynch too. He was the #1 guy before the off season began. He's also a really cool customer, so I think he would do well with all the pressure in Dallas.

I think he has the highest ceiling of the group.

I actually like all 3 QB's. I don't think any of them should start this season and I think if they avoid starting this season they should all be on a good path to being very good QB's.

From watching Wentz, the biggest issue I had with him was his inconsistency. I have to question his accuracy at the next level in particular. He would look great on 1 play...about as good as you could hope for. Then a few plays later look poor in his mechanics and what he is doing. You would hope that with football being his full time job he could eventually eliminate those bad plays and play more like on the good plays. But, I have questions about a QB from NDSU that struggles a bit with inconsistency at that level of play.

I think that Goff is the most skillful passer at this moment. He has the mechanics, release point, footwork, etc. He can also manipulate the safeties at this level. His hand size concerns me (I've been a big proponent for hand size in QB's for over 20 years) and his frame concerns me a bit (although to a much lesser extent). What I like about Goff the most is that he is great at anticipating his throw. But the counter to that is I question his pocket presence.

To me, Lynch has much more promise. Plus, he really faced some darn good defenses last season. I think people don't give enough credit to how good defenses like Temple, Navy, Ole Miss, etc. were last year. And he was highly productive despite having an awful supporting cast. That's what I like out of a QB...a productive QB that is saddled with a poor supporting cast and playing against tough defenses that will have players in the NFL in the future.

I like Lynch's release. When he gets in trouble with his throwing it is his footwork. But, despite some shoddy footwork at times...he can still deliver the ball with great velocity and good accuracy. I think the footwork issue is very fixable (he's not Jay Cutler bad) and I shudder to think how hard he can throw the ball with better footwork. I think he has the size and delivery to be a killer on short passes and then has the throwing skills to go to intermediate and deep routes effectively. I think he has the ability, right now, to consistently make throws from the far hashmark to the sideline which greatly opens up a playbook.

And we can probably run some spread option with him as well. Think of what that presents for the defense. If we go spread option the backside better contain because he could fake the handoff and scramble and throw for big yardage. And if the backside does contain, then we are making the running game's job even easier and this with the best O-Line in football.

I think Wentz can do some of this stuff as well, but I don't see him as effective in the short passing game. To me, the high upside for Lynch is a guy that could throw the short passes as well as Brady does, throw the intermediate and deep routes as well as Romo does and can use the spread option as effectively as Cam Newton.

I'm not saying that is what he will be like. But, I do see that as a possibility. And to me, that's too great of a possibility to pass up.





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In December I believe Wentz will be 24 years old. If he sits for 2 years behind Romo he will already be 26. I think that has to be a consideration, not that 24 is old, but that he would only have 4-6 years before he's 30 years old. It's similar to Sean Lee who will be 30 this summer.

Precisely. Wentz is almost two years older than Goff (12/30/92 vs 10/14/94), which is enough of a difference to be a factor in who you select (I'm not saying "THE" factor, but "A" factor). If you have them rated extremely close, talent-wise, then I would strongly consider giving Goff the edge based on potentially two more years of availability as your starting QB.
 

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I still have a problem accepting that Goff is a top 4 draft prospect and a franchise QB when in 3 years at Cal, he didn't make a difference in the W-L column.
 

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I still have a problem accepting that Goff is a top 4 draft prospect and a franchise QB when in 3 years at Cal, he didn't make a difference in the W-L column.

Is this your first time watching football?
 

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Is this your first time watching football?

Excellent question....usually a franchise QB lifts the performance of his team. Goff's W-L record was terrible in a conference that is known for playing little defense.
 
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