Goff vs Wentz

[CATCH17]

Right now these are my top 2 QB's.


Goff has a pocket presence, accuracy, and is definitely more ready now. I just don't know about the arm strength and the zip he can get on the ball.


Wentz looks like the classic gunslinger type QB but he is a great runner and improviser and that is something that is super important with Jason Garrett coaching your team.

Wentz can be had later and learn from a QB like Romo who has a similar style to Wentz.

 

[Future]

The parallels to Romo, and the fact that he can be had outside of the top 5, most likely, makes Wentz the PERFECT choice for this team. In my dream scenario, we trade down 4-5 picks, grab Treadwell or a LB, then use the haul we got to move back up into the first again and grab Wentz.

So you get a first round of Treadwell/Jaylon Smith/Hargreaves AND Wentz.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think Lynch is far better than Wentz at this point. Goff is the purest passer right now. Wentz is very, very inconsistent. I watched the Montana game and he was great one play, terrible the next.

I think he has throwing mechanics issues on the deeper passes, but he's not a windmill delivery...so that is something that can be worked on. His pocket movement needs a lot of work. He often drifts into the pressure and sometimes doesn't move around the pocket when he should.

I like Goff's throwing ability. I really don't have a problem with him as a QB other than Lynch and Wentz are bigger and far more athletic. I'm big into hand size for a QB because when you're playing in crummy weather you really need those big hands to hold onto the ball in order to throw it well. So, I'll be interested in what Goff's hand size looks like. I know Lynch has enormous hands.

I think if you needed a QB that can step right in, read a disguised Cover 2 coverage and throw a perfect seam route to the Y-receiver, Goff is your guy. Lynch has more upside and could be better right away based purely on athleticism and size. I can see somebody like Cleveland taking Goff because they need a QB right away, but my preference is to go with Lynch and have him sit. If not, I would trade down a little and either try and grab a safety or MIKE with the first pick and get Wentz late in the 1st round. I also think Kevin Hogan is getting too unnoticed by draftniks. The guy can play.






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[JW82]

Right now these are my top 2 QB's.


Goff has a pocket presence, accuracy, and is definitely more ready now. I just don't know about the arm strength and the zip he can get on the ball.


Wentz looks like the classic gunslinger type QB but he is a great runner and improviser and that is something that is super important with Jason Garrett coaching your team.

Wentz can be had later and learn from a QB like Romo who has a similar style to Wentz.

I had the same view of Goff, until I watched the Stanford game on draftbreakdown.com where was throwing darts that he had to get rid of quickly. I'd like to see more o Wentz. I was hoping he was gong be playing in his FCS playoff games but they left the backup in even though his wrist was supposedly healed. Looking forward to the sr bowl practices and game.

 

[Western]

In recent years, outside of Kurt Warner (who had to cut by the Packers, play in the Arena League, compete in NFL Europe, and inevitably signed with Rams), Tony Romo (who won the Walter Payton Award, All-American at Division I-AA,, All-Ohio Valley Conference), and Joe Flacco (who originally signed with and was recruited by the University of Pittsburgh, a FBS school, but after three years transferred to Delaware) FCS QB's come with risk and not much pedigree.

The lack competition at FCS schools as opposed to FBS (Division I-A) is noteworthy.
Wentz's limited QB play as a starter - 16 games in 2014, and 6 games in 2015 - should be a concern.

The reality is that to base his NFL projection off his college tape against lesser quality teams/players than what Goff, Lynch, Cook, Hackenberg, Prescott, etc. competed against is meaningful.
His play at the Senior Bowl should provide some more insight.
But how scouts can project, especially QB performance at that level of competition to NFL level is quite a leap (it is even difficult and time-consuming for FCS QB's to make a successful transition to the NFL).
To invest a 1st round pick in Wentz comes with some liability and peril, in my opinion.

 

[31smackdown]

I have Goff #1 and I think you take him if he's there. Not a fan of Lynch at all - not mobile enough, footwork doesn't look good with pressure, long delivery,etc.. . Wentz is a development guy, has some instincts, hard to tell if his ceiling is high enough to be a top 10 NFL QB. Need to look at couple of other guys to see where Wentz fits overall.

 

[CATCH17]

I had the same view of Goff, until I watched the Stanford game on draftbreakdown.com where was throwing darts that he had to get rid of quickly. I'd like to see more o Wentz. I was hoping he was gong be playing in his FCS playoff games but they left the backup in even though his wrist was supposedly healed. Looking forward to the sr bowl practices and game.

Yeah I need to watch that.

If Goff can get some zip on the football than the only other real concern with him would be playing under center.



Either way I think he's legit and has a bit of Tom Brady in his game but I just worry about a QB like Goff being in a Jason Garrett offense. I worry about any QB really but with all of the downfield stuff we do he will need to be truly great physically.


Wentz has the Favre aspect to his game that I love and what better QB than Romo to teach him?

 

[CATCH17]

I have Goff #1 and I think you take him if he's there. Not a fan of Lynch at all - not mobile enough, footwork doesn't look good with pressure, long delivery,etc.. . Wentz is a development guy, has some instincts, hard to tell if his ceiling is high enough to be a top 10 NFL QB. Need to look at couple of other guys to see where Wentz fits overall.

Lynch has great feet imo for a guy of that size. I think he's a Joe Flacco type of QB though and we need playmakers at that positions with JG coaching this team. Not Joe Flaccos.


Lynch is a safe pick imo but I don't know if he'll ever be a top 10 QB.. He'll probably always hover between 10-20.

 

[IAmLegend]

1. Goff
2. Lynch
3. Wentz

 

[CATCH17]

I think Lynch is far better than Wentz at this point. Goff is the purest passer right now. Wentz is very, very inconsistent. I watched the Montana game and he was great one play, terrible the next.

I think he has throwing mechanics issues on the deeper passes, but he's not a windmill delivery...so that is something that can be worked on. His pocket movement needs a lot of work. He often drifts into the pressure and sometimes doesn't move around the pocket when he should.

I like Goff's throwing ability. I really don't have a problem with him as a QB other than Lynch and Wentz are bigger and far more athletic. I'm big into hand size for a QB because when you're playing in crummy weather you really need those big hands to hold onto the ball in order to throw it well. So, I'll be interested in what Goff's hand size looks like. I know Lynch has enormous hands.

I think if you needed a QB that can step right in, read a disguised Cover 2 coverage and throw a perfect seam route to the Y-receiver, Goff is your guy. Lynch has more upside and could be better right away based purely on athleticism and size. I can see somebody like Cleveland taking Goff because they need a QB right away, but my preference is to go with Lynch and have him sit. If not, I would trade down a little and either try and grab a safety or MIKE with the first pick and get Wentz late in the 1st round. I also think Kevin Hogan is getting too unnoticed by draftniks. The guy can play.



Haven't checked out Hogan yet.

I don't really know much about the draft prospects yet but I can't wait to dive in.


All I know is I want Alex Collins lol.



As far as Wentz.. He definitely isn't the best guy right now but he has all of the tools and just need to be a little more accurate with the football.


I like that he can run so well but still make plays in the pocket. That is rare.

Also, the sideline stuff he can do is rare as well. He can get the ball out there.




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[reddyuta]

I think Lynch is far better than Wentz at this point. Goff is the purest passer right now. Wentz is very, very inconsistent. I watched the Montana game and he was great one play, terrible the next.

I think he has throwing mechanics issues on the deeper passes, but he's not a windmill delivery...so that is something that can be worked on. His pocket movement needs a lot of work. He often drifts into the pressure and sometimes doesn't move around the pocket when he should.

I like Goff's throwing ability. I really don't have a problem with him as a QB other than Lynch and Wentz are bigger and far more athletic. I'm big into hand size for a QB because when you're playing in crummy weather you really need those big hands to hold onto the ball in order to throw it well. So, I'll be interested in what Goff's hand size looks like. I know Lynch has enormous hands.

I think if you needed a QB that can step right in, read a disguised Cover 2 coverage and throw a perfect seam route to the Y-receiver, Goff is your guy. Lynch has more upside and could be better right away based purely on athleticism and size. I can see somebody like Cleveland taking Goff because they need a QB right away, but my preference is to go with Lynch and have him sit. If not, I would trade down a little and either try and grab a safety or MIKE with the first pick and get Wentz late in the 1st round. I also think Kevin Hogan is getting too unnoticed by draftniks. The guy can play.






YR

completely agree.I am not a throwing mtion expert but his wide chested throwing motion where he doesn't drive the ball is leading to him missing some easy throws.I think its correctable but he is still no 3 on my board.

 

[CATCH17]

In recent years, outside of Kurt Warner (who had to cut by the Packers, play in the Arena League, compete in NFL Europe, and inevitably signed with Rams), Tony Romo (who won the Walter Payton Award, All-American at Division I-AA,, All-Ohio Valley Conference), and Joe Flacco (who originally signed with and was recruited by the University of Pittsburgh, a FBS school, but after three years transferred to Delaware) FCS QB's come with risk and not much pedigree.

The lack competition at FCS schools as opposed to FBS (Division I-A) is noteworthy.
Wentz's limited QB play as a starter - 16 games in 2014, and 6 games in 2015 - should be a concern.

The reality is that to base his NFL projection off his college tape against lesser quality teams/players than what Goff, Lynch, Cook, Hackenberg, Prescott, etc. competed against is meaningful.
His play at the Senior Bowl should provide some more insight.
But how scouts can project, especially QB performance at that level of competition to NFL level is quite a leap (it is even difficult and time-consuming for FCS QB's to make a successful transition to the NFL).
To invest a 1st round pick in Wentz comes with some liability and peril, in my opinion.

Agree but forget about the competition.

QB's are so rare that if you see one with the physical traits you gotta take the risk on them.


He is raw but not too raw and has playmaker written all over him and he wouldn't need to play for 2 or 3 years.

In fact I would still sign a FA QB.

 

[KingintheNorth]

1. Goff
2. Lynch









3. Wentz

fixed.

 

[JW82]

Yeah I need to watch that.

If Goff can get some zip on the football than the only other real concern with him would be playing under center.



Either way I think he's legit and has a bit of Tom Brady in his game but I just worry about a QB like Goff being in a Jason Garrett offense. I worry about any QB really but with all of the downfield stuff we do he will need to be truly great physically.


Wentz has the Favre aspect to his game that I love and what better QB than Romo to teach him?

I liked what I saw from Wentz also. The level of competition would be the only question imo. I think we have to accept that Goff will be gone at 2. If that was the case, I would be nervous to wait to 34 for Wentz, but couldn't justify the 4th I don't think. I started watching Cal and Memphis games a couple months ago, because of our QB needs. I went into them really wanting the big strong qb with he big arm in Lynch, but after 3 full games of each of them, I just don't think he is a top 10 player. To be fair that offense does him no favors as far as show casing his NFL readiness. Really looking forward to the sr bowl, east west shrine game, combine and all of the predraft hype machine. I saw a lot of Cook, no thanks. He is Sage Rosenfells in the NFL imo.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

completely agree.I am not a throwing mtion expert but his wide chested throwing motion where he doesn't drive the ball is leading to him missing some easy throws.I think its correctable but he is still no 3 on my board.

I only get gun shy about QB's that have a pronounced windmill delivery. That takes a long time to get rid of and I don't think most football coaches really understand how to expedite the learning process.

Once in a blue moon I'll see Lynch get a little windmill-ish in his delivery, but it's usually on a tough throw that requires a lot of velocity to get the ball there. Wentz's release point gets too low on the deep passes. Goff's mechanics are great. Sometimes his footwork could be cleaned up a little.

But, in general I like all three QB's and I like Hogan. Don't care for Connor Cook. Don't see what anybody sees in him except for him being the QB of the team that won the lousy Big-10.





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[Yakuza Rich]

I liked what I saw from Wentz also. The level of competition would be the only question imo. I think we have to accept that Goff will be gone at 2. If that was the case, I would be nervous to wait to 34 for Wentz, but couldn't justify the 4th I don't think. I started watching Cal and Memphis games a couple months ago, because of our QB needs. I went into them really wanting the big strong qb with he big arm in Lynch, but after 3 full games of each of them, I just don't think he is a top 10 player. To be fair that offense does him no favors as far as show casing his NFL readiness. Really looking forward to the sr bowl, east west shrine game, combine and all of the predraft hype machine. I saw a lot of Cook, no thanks. He is Sage Rosenfells in the NFL imo.

The thing with Wentz is that while the competition is weak, so is his supporting cast. The concern about level of competition is really getting used to the speed of the game and the physicality of the game. Lot of great athletes that can play from small schools, but the pounding of the NFL is something that some never get used to.

Wentz has the size (I don't understand Romo comparisons, they are 2 completely differently shaped QB's). I think a team that can keep him off the field for a year or two and keeps the same offensive system for his first 5-years would be best for him.

I don't think people understand how difficult the throws are that Lynch makes. He will throw a lot of bubble screens, but it's often from the far hash mark which is tough to do. You have to throw the ball with velocity and accuracy to a target that is moving away from you instead of stopping or moving horizontally and you just have to lead the receiver. He also played against some very quality teams with good defenses like Houston, Navy, Temple and Ole Miss. He has virtually no talent around him and has played well against quality competition.




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[tm1119]

Not even close between Goff and Wentz imo. Goff is head in shoulders above the other 2 in my book. Comparing Lynch vs Wentz is fair I guess, but with Wentz not playing much this year it's really hard to evaluate him. After all, we are talking about a kid who has thrown barely a full NFL season worth of pass attempts vs small school competition in his college career. I'm waiting on what I hear/see at the Sr bowl to make a real judgement on Wentz and if he belongs in the conversation with the other 2.

 

[sbark]

Wentz will move up, be gone by as high as 10th pick starting to show up in draft projections. The nfl scouts won't just shrug off his snaps under center in a scheme at least similar to what he will see in the nfl. He won't have to undo years of spread offense indoctrination that puts rose colored glasses on many, it's like trying to change bad golf swing mechanics...a body will revert back to under pressure

 

[JW82]

The thing with Wentz is that while the competition is weak, so is his supporting cast. The concern about level of competition is really getting used to the speed of the game and the physicality of the game. Lot of great athletes that can play from small schools, but the pounding of the NFL is something that some never get used to.

Wentz has the size (I don't understand Romo comparisons, they are 2 completely differently shaped QB's). I think a team that can keep him off the field for a year or two and keeps the same offensive system for his first 5-years would be best for him.

I don't think people understand how difficult the throws are that Lynch makes. He will throw a lot of bubble screens, but it's often from the far hash mark which is tough to do. You have to throw the ball with velocity and accuracy to a target that is moving away from you instead of stopping or moving horizontally and you just have to lead the receiver. He also played against some very quality teams with good defenses like Houston, Navy, Temple and Ole Miss. He has virtually no talent around him and has played well against quality competition.

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Not questioning his arm strength but how do we see 20 bubble screens out of 30 passes and get an idea of how he will throw a ball in a tight window 15-20-25 yards downfield and read a defense? Doesn't mean he can not do it, just haven't seen it. When the scouts get him on the white board and he does all the workouts he may come out as the top guy, who knows?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Not questioning his arm strength but how do we see 20 bubble screens out of 30 passes and get an idea of how he will throw a ball in a tight window 15-20-25 yards downfield and read a defense? Doesn't mean he can not do it, just haven't seen it. When the scouts get him on the white board and he does all the workouts he may come out as the top guy, who knows?

The offensive passing game has changed. It's more about getting the ball out quickly and throwing more screens or quick slants and it's becoming less and less about scanning the field, going thru your progressions, etc. With Lynch's size and athletic ability and throwing motion, he can be a tremendous QB in today's offenses because he can see over the top of his linemen better and deliver the ball to a receiver like Beasley much more smoothly. You can also run some read-option with him. The goal wouldn't be to have him win games with his legs, but it keeps the defense honest and can make the RB's job easier if the backside defender(s) have to stay and contain versus crashing in. And one of the problems we have with this predictable offense is that teams will cheat towards the left and beat the team on the run. I think with read-option with a QB that can legitimately run like Lynch...you can offset that. The other thing is Lynch has the size to handle those runs.

Most of the progression read throws I see from Lynch are on bootlegs and he's very good at it. It's different when you're in the pocket, but at his height I don't see major problems as it's easy to see that the offense is dictated to cover the weaknesses of his supporting cast.




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