Goff vs Wentz

[JW82]

The offensive passing game has changed. It's more about getting the ball out quickly and throwing more screens or quick slants and it's becoming less and less about scanning the field, going thru your progressions, etc. With Lynch's size and athletic ability and throwing motion, he can be a tremendous QB in today's offenses because he can see over the top of his linemen better and deliver the ball to a receiver like Beasley much more smoothly. You can also run some read-option with him. The goal wouldn't be to have him win games with his legs, but it keeps the defense honest and can make the RB's job easier if the backside defender(s) have to stay and contain versus crashing in. And one of the problems we have with this predictable offense is that teams will cheat towards the left and beat the team on the run. I think with read-option with a QB that can legitimately run like Lynch...you can offset that. The other thing is Lynch has the size to handle those runs.

Most of the progression read throws I see from Lynch are on bootlegs and he's very good at it. It's different when you're in the pocket, but at his height I don't see major problems as it's easy to see that the offense is dictated to cover the weaknesses of his supporting cast.




YR

The offensive passing game may have changed elsewhere, but not in Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

The offensive passing game has changed. It's more about getting the ball out quickly and throwing more screens or quick slants and it's becoming less and less about scanning the field, going thru your progressions, etc. With Lynch's size and athletic ability and throwing motion, he can be a tremendous QB in today's offenses because he can see over the top of his linemen better and deliver the ball to a receiver like Beasley much more smoothly. You can also run some read-option with him. The goal wouldn't be to have him win games with his legs, but it keeps the defense honest and can make the RB's job easier if the backside defender(s) have to stay and contain versus crashing in. And one of the problems we have with this predictable offense is that teams will cheat towards the left and beat the team on the run. I think with read-option with a QB that can legitimately run like Lynch...you can offset that. The other thing is Lynch has the size to handle those runs.

Most of the progression read throws I see from Lynch are on bootlegs and he's very good at it. It's different when you're in the pocket, but at his height I don't see major problems as it's easy to see that the offense is dictated to cover the weaknesses of his supporting cast.




YR

I agree. What I love about Lynch is for a big guy he looks very athletic when he does run. He shows good touch on lob passes but has good arm strength to make all the throws he needs to at the NFL level. I think our of all the QB in his draft his longterm potential is greater.

 

[tyke1doe]

My prediction: Goff, Lynch and Wentz will go within the top 15 picks.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Good discussions. As it stands today, I like Wentz more than Lynch. Granted I am projecting here on where I think both will be at in 2 years watching Tony and learning and how they will fit our scheme. I think Wentz has a boat load of talent and can be had later in the draft. This gives us some flexibility with the 4th pick, I like the idea of trading down getting an impact player and then Wentz,. Of course, after all is said and done, he may work his way up to a top 20 pick prospect in which case, you take your QB with the 4th pick, whoever you like better out of who is available. I think all 3 have talent and some downside to their game. I would be ok with any of them.

 

[Zekeats]

For me its Goff or nobody. Don't really care too much about the armstrenght with his accuracy. Chad Pennington had a pretty good career and if you took away the 8 shoulder surgeries he would have been even better.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Still Lynch, Goff and then Wentz.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Not sure why people keep saying Goff is more accurate. Lynch has better completion percentage and less INTS. just stated watching these guys but Lynch looks really good, much more so then Goff.

I seen some beautiful touch passes Lynch threw and for right now he is my number 1 QB.

With him sitting and learning behind Romo. Lynch could turn into a star.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

But, in general I like all three QB's and I like Hogan. Don't care for Connor Cook. Don't see what anybody sees in him except for him being the QB of the team that won the lousy Big-10.
YR

I felt the same you did about Cook until I read this article...

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...-state-spartans-isports-connor-cook/74610976/

I think the guy has something. Just saying....

 

[LucaBrasi]

couple of things that may or may not be relevant: 1) McClay has shown affinity for players from power conferences and 2) while Wentz is by no means an "old" rookie he's 23 and Goff is 21.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't know if I prefer Goff or Lynch, but I like both better than Wentz after watching them.

It might seem strange to say this considering heights, but Goff reminds me of Aikman, a guy who gets in the pocket, knows where he is going with the ball and makes the throw, while Lynch is more like Romo who'll scramble out but is still looking to throw the pass, except Lynch is more of a runner by design that Romo.

Not perfect comparisons, mind you, but just general styles.

 

[DFWJC]

The parallels to Romo, and the fact that he can be had outside of the top 5, most likely, makes Wentz the PERFECT choice for this team. In my dream scenario, we trade down 4-5 picks, grab Treadwell or a LB, then use the haul we got to move back up into the first again and grab Wentz.

So you get a first round of Treadwell/Jaylon Smith/Hargreaves AND Wentz.

I don't think Wentz goes in the 1st round, Future. Love that line of thinking to maximize draft value though. As long as the player is worth the pick, I'm in.
Guess we'll know better after the combine and get our answer in the draft.

 

[Dhragon]

The parallels to Romo, and the fact that he can be had outside of the top 5, most likely, makes Wentz the PERFECT choice for this team. In my dream scenario, we trade down 4-5 picks, grab Treadwell or a LB, then use the haul we got to move back up into the first again and grab Wentz.

So you get a first round of Treadwell/Jaylon Smith/Hargreaves AND Wentz.

Wentz has become like a weird version of Dexter Coakley. In the past, when Coakley was on our roster, everyone was using him as trade bait in imaginary trades. It became a joke.

People seem to be doing the same ( although opposite lol ) with Wentz. Everyone who wants a non-top 4 QB throws Wentz in there in the 2nd round or as a trade up back into the lower 1st round as the choice and reason why we can skip on Goff or Lynch.

Just like everyone assumed although they didn't want Coakley anymore, every other team would be lining up to trade good draft picks for him, people seem to be assuming nobody else will want Wentz except for us and he will be there for the taking at our second pick.

If you skip on Goff/Lynch, you are gambling that Wentz will be there by your second pick. If Wentz is so good, most likely he'll be gone by one of several QB hungry teams before that and like last year at RB, we'll be left with nothing. We'll be giving up a surefire potential elite QB for a chance that just maybe we can get the (debatable at best ) 3rd rated QB.

If you are sold on Wentz that much, you'd have to take him with your 1st rounder, thus no Treadwell/Hargreaves/etc.

 

[visionary]

I think Lynch is far better than Wentz at this point. Goff is the purest passer right now. Wentz is very, very inconsistent. I watched the Montana game and he was great one play, terrible the next.

I think he has throwing mechanics issues on the deeper passes, but he's not a windmill delivery...so that is something that can be worked on. His pocket movement needs a lot of work. He often drifts into the pressure and sometimes doesn't move around the pocket when he should.

I like Goff's throwing ability. I really don't have a problem with him as a QB other than Lynch and Wentz are bigger and far more athletic. I'm big into hand size for a QB because when you're playing in crummy weather you really need those big hands to hold onto the ball in order to throw it well. So, I'll be interested in what Goff's hand size looks like. I know Lynch has enormous hands.

I think if you needed a QB that can step right in, read a disguised Cover 2 coverage and throw a perfect seam route to the Y-receiver, Goff is your guy. Lynch has more upside and could be better right away based purely on athleticism and size. I can see somebody like Cleveland taking Goff because they need a QB right away, but my preference is to go with Lynch and have him sit. If not, I would trade down a little and either try and grab a safety or MIKE with the first pick and get Wentz late in the 1st round. I also think Kevin Hogan is getting too unnoticed by draftniks. The guy can play.






YR

Lynch or Goff please

 

[gimmesix]

Wentz will move up, be gone by as high as 10th pick starting to show up in draft projections. The nfl scouts won't just shrug off his snaps under center in a scheme at least similar to what he will see in the nfl. He won't have to undo years of spread offense indoctrination that puts rose colored glasses on many, it's like trying to change bad golf swing mechanics...a body will revert back to under pressure

I think he'll drop. He takes too long to set his feet IMO and needs some mechanical work. Not saying he won't turn out to be the next Romo, but he definitely has some bugs to work out and you never know how that will project out.

 

[gimmesix]

After looking over the highlights, I think Connor Cook is in my top three over Wentz. What I look for in a QB is not if they complete a pass but how they complete a pass. Does the receiver have to slow up and make a play? Is he throwing to wide-open receivers? Is it thrown behind the receiver? Etc.

I like where Cook delivers his throws. His setup isn't bad and he's got the arm strength to get it there. I wouldn't be unhappy with taking him at the top of the second. Out of all the QBs I watched (Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Hackenberg, Prescott, Cook), he's the only guy I think might be on par with Goff and Lynch.

Again, this is from highlights, so I'm not seeing every aspect of their game skills. (I don't watch college football.)

 

[gimmesix]

After looking over the highlights, I think Connor Cook is in my top three over Wentz. What I look for in a QB is not if they complete a pass but how they complete a pass. Does the receiver have to slow up and make a play? Is he throwing to wide-open receivers? Is it thrown behind the receiver? Etc.

I like where Cook delivers his throws. His setup isn't bad and he's got the arm strength to get it there. I wouldn't be unhappy with taking him at the top of the second. Out of all the QBs I watched (Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Hackenberg, Prescott, Cook), he's the only guy I think might be on par with Goff and Lynch.

Again, this is from highlights, so I'm not seeing every aspect of their game skills. (I don't watch college football.)

 

[IAmLegend]

My prediction: Goff, Lynch and Wentz will go within the top 15 picks.

Goff to Clevand at #2.
Lynch to San Fran at #7.
Wentz to Chicago at #11, Philly at #12, or Saints at #13.

That's my prediction as of January, subject to change obviously.

Wild Card could be St. Louis trading up out of pick #13 bc they have 2 second-round picks as well. They have the ammunition to move up.

 

[Gaede]

After looking over the highlights, I think Connor Cook is in my top three over Wentz. What I look for in a QB is not if they complete a pass but how they complete a pass. Does the receiver have to slow up and make a play? Is he throwing to wide-open receivers? Is it thrown behind the receiver? Etc.

I like where Cook delivers his throws. His setup isn't bad and he's got the arm strength to get it there. I wouldn't be unhappy with taking him at the top of the second. Out of all the QBs I watched (Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Hackenberg, Prescott, Cook), he's the only guy I think might be on par with Goff and Lynch.

Again, this is from highlights, so I'm not seeing every aspect of their game skills. (I don't watch college football.)

I know he's not popular around here, but I really like Cook as well. Not crazy about his completion % but I really like how he throws

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Wentz has become like a weird version of Dexter Coakley. In the past, when Coakley was on our roster, everyone was using him as trade bait in imaginary trades. It became a joke.

People seem to be doing the same ( although opposite lol ) with Wentz. Everyone who wants a non-top 4 QB throws Wentz in there in the 2nd round or as a trade up back into the lower 1st round as the choice and reason why we can skip on Goff or Lynch.

Just like everyone assumed although they didn't want Coakley anymore, every other team would be lining up to trade good draft picks for him, people seem to be assuming nobody else will want Wentz except for us and he will be there for the taking at our second pick.

If you skip on Goff/Lynch, you are gambling that Wentz will be there by your second pick. If Wentz is so good, most likely he'll be gone by one of several QB hungry teams before that and like last year at RB, we'll be left with nothing. We'll be giving up a surefire potential elite QB for a chance that just maybe we can get the (debatable at best ) 3rd rated QB.

If you are sold on Wentz that much, you'd have to take him with your 1st rounder, thus no Treadwell/Hargreaves/etc.

that's the way I see it, it Goff or Lynch are there at 4, you take them. There is no guarantee that Wentz will be there waiting for you to come take him. If he's not, you're out of luck........

 

[sbark]

I think he'll drop. He takes too long to set his feet IMO and needs some mechanical work. Not saying he won't turn out to be the next Romo, but he definitely has some bugs to work out and you never know how that will project out.

10th is likely too high but wont get by 15th spot. Bears, Texans and more will either move up to that spot or just grab him, It all depends on Senior Bowl, Combine and even his showing in the FCS Champ Game sat morning at 11:00, looks more and more likely he starts and plays.

At some point NFL teams have to start to discount these system spread offense QB's more than they do already, At some point the top high school qb's, if they have nfl aspirations at all, should start to turn away from these system offenses and flow toward a scheme in college that can prep them for the next level,