Goff's arm strength

[CCBoy]

Over Ramsey (who doesn't make plays) or Bosa.

Ramsey had measurables stronger than Jones and Claiborne.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I've seen Pennington throw 50 to hit moss in stride. Don't really care if anyone takes me seriously I call it as I see it and Pennington isn't the worst to be compared to.

Noticed you haven't stuck your neck out with a comparison so we can decide if you know what you are talking about.

Aren't you the guy who was on the cover of we are Marshall ?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Ramsey had measurables stronger than Jones and Claiborne.

Claiborne definitely, but Jones not so much.

Ramsey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/7862/

Jones http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4977/

Not sure if Jones ran at the combine or not, because they don't have it listed, but Jones ran a 4.36, could have been his pro day though.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Apparently Goff's arm is a little better than you thought.

I never got why people questioned his arm strength.

 

[CCBoy]

Claiborne definitely, but Jones not so much.

Ramsey http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/7862/

Jones http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4977/

Not sure if Jones ran at the combine or not, because they don't have it listed, but Jones ran a 4.36, could have been his pro day though.

Overall, Ramsey scored higher in the accumulative scores.

Good post.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Overall, Ramsey scored higher in the accumulative scores.

Good post.

It's weird that they gave Ramsey a higher agility score, but if you look at each measurement, Jones scored higher.

Bench Press: Jones 18 Ramsey 14
Vertical Jump: Jones 44.5 Ramsey 41.5
Broad Jump: Jones 147 Ramsey 135
3 Cone Drill: Jones 6.78 Ramsey 6.94
20 yard shuttle: Jones 3.94 Ramsey 4.18
60 yard shuttle: Jones 10.98 Ramsey 11.10

Maybe because Jones did not run at the combine it knocked his score down, not sure how they calculate "agility score," but Jones actually was better in every category.

 

[CCBoy]

It's weird that they gave Ramsey a higher agility score, but if you look at each measurement, Jones scored higher.

Bench Press: Jones 18 Ramsey 14
Vertical Jump: Jones 44.5 Ramsey 41.5
Broad Jump: Jones 147 Ramsey 135
3 Cone Drill: Jones 6.78 Ramsey 6.94
20 yard shuttle: Jones 3.94 Ramsey 4.18
60 yard shuttle: Jones 10.98 Ramsey 11.10

Maybe because Jones did not run at the combine it knocked his score down, not sure how they calculate "agility score," but Jones actually was better in every category.

The comparison groups were a year apart...until one goes by the accumulative score with depth of years. Ramsey scores higher there.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The comparison groups were a year apart...until one goes by the accumulative score with depth of years. Ramsey scores higher there.

not sure if I follow, Jones ran faster and jumped higher/further in every drill on the same surface. yes they did it a year apart, but jumping 135 inches in 2016 isn't better than jumping 147 inches in 2015.

 

[AzorAhai]

not sure if I follow, Jones ran faster and jumped higher/further in every drill on the same surface. yes they did it a year apart, but jumping 135 inches in 2016 isn't better than jumping 147 inches in 2015.

Could be the size difference thats the missing factor? Ramsey weighed in 10 lbs heavier so maybe thats it.

 

[CCBoy]

not sure if I follow, Jones ran faster and jumped higher/further in every drill on the same surface. yes they did it a year apart, but jumping 135 inches in 2016 isn't better than jumping 147 inches in 2015.

Simple solution, email the site for an explanation. They generally oblige when concepts of their own making are involved.

But your first analysis was probably correct. Data was based upon Combine results.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Simple solution, email the site for an explanation. They generally oblige when concepts of their own making are involved.

yea, i'm talking more about the raw numbers. jones scored better in every drill

 

[JW82]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...h-goff-create-most-velocity-on-combine-throws

 

[rkell87]

Aren't you the guy who was on the cover of we are Marshall ?

Nah I vaguely remember someone posting about that though. It came about by happenstance iirc. Can't recall the poster.

 

[rkell87]

I think when people make a Pennington compariosn, observers default to the post shoulder problem Pennington and forget that he had a quality arm coming out

This is what I never get, these guys aren't even in the nfl yet if a comparison is made to an nfl player then you need to look at those players at the same stage. Pennington has had a job for a long time even after his arm went because he's above average in the other arguably more important areas for a QB. Goff doesn't have a world beating arm but it doesn't matter cause that's not what makes him good.

 

[reddyuta]

another plus for Goff is he is 21,even if he was to sit for 2 years he would be 23 when he takes over.Wentz will be 25+ if he sits for 2 years.