Going for the kill shot while you are in the window

[waldoputty]

Martin doesn't have to be extended until 2019 with the 5th year option, same with LCollins(2019)

Nothing will be resolved with Romo early that saves big cap space
If he is cut, traded or retires before June1st the DAL eats the full 19.6m in dead money in 2017

everything is dependent on timing and cooperation but DAL is not going to waive Tony for no compensation.......they may do a sign and trade that guarantees Tony some money since his present deal offers 0m in guartantees

Thought Collins does not have 5th year?

We save more $ with Tony for 2017 if we gave him a new 4 year contract?

 

[conner01]

Going out and signing a pass rusher would be great. Finding one worth the money will be very hard. Every team wants pass rushers
Drafting one at 32 is a crap shoot. The best guys go early but sometimes you get lucky like we did last year with brown.a starter quality CB in the 6th is very rare. We need a hit like that at pass rusher at some point in the upcoming draft
The key to the cap to me has always been the draft. You replace good players with picks and try to sign the elite players
But you have to draft well and get lucky sometimes like with brown

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually yes they can, but they won't

150m in contracts could be 15m in cap space Year One

DAL just doesn't do that , as much as I want a stud DL

actually you can't this notion that Dallas could sign every high priced FA they want with no consequences is false. Teams are forced to make choices on their cap they can't keep every player, they can't resign every player. I'm not saying their is not some flexibility but thinking Dallas could go out and payout top money to every position is BS they can't no team can. Hell Jerry has the money to buy the best team in the NFL but the cap says you can't do it nor has any team been able to do it. Romo is the highest paid player on this team and anyone thinking Dallas will eat that cap space on a backup must be hanging out with Gregory and McClain because you got to be high.

 

[waldoputty]

Going out and signing a pass rusher would be great. Finding one worth the money will be very hard. Every team wants pass rushers
Drafting one at 32 is a crap shoot. The best guys go early but sometimes you get lucky like we did last year with brown.a starter quality CB in the 6th is very rare. We need a hit like that at pass rusher at some point in the upcoming draft
The key to the cap to me has always been the draft. You replace good players with picks and try to sign the elite players
But you have to draft well and get lucky sometimes like with brown

If you draft a DE in the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th and 7th round, then you add up the probabilities of getting a consistent starter:
58% + 26%+13%+13%+3% = 103% chance of getting a starter
In reality, we are drafting at the end of each round, so you would have to subtract from 103% to say 75%.
Although the player may not be a starter year 1 - so a FA DE is really needed
Here are draft statistics:
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

 

[Nightman]

actually you can't this notion that Dallas could sign every high priced FA they want with no consequences is false. Teams are forced to make choices on their cap they can't keep every player, they can't resign every player. I'm not saying their is not some flexibility but thinking Dallas could go out and payout top money to every position is BS they can't no team can. Hell Jerry has the money to buy the best team in the NFL but the cap says you can't do it nor has any team been able to do it. Romo is the highest paid player on this team and anyone thinking Dallas will eat that cap space on a backup must be hanging out with Gregory and McClain because you got to be high.

You are turning signing a big name FA or 2 into signing every FA in the world....it is a false comparison

I agree with Conner above that finding the DE to even spend money is the problem, not the ability to do it

DAL has the cap space to be very aggressive in building their roster and soon Free's, Romo's Witten's Crawford's and Dez' huge cap hits will be gone and be replaced with new guys

Draft picks are just as risky as FAs and extensions.......it is always about finding and signing the right players, not how you find them

 

[waldoputty]

Going out and signing a pass rusher would be great. Finding one worth the money will be very hard. Every team wants pass rushers
Drafting one at 32 is a crap shoot. The best guys go early but sometimes you get lucky like we did last year with brown.a starter quality CB in the 6th is very rare. We need a hit like that at pass rusher at some point in the upcoming draft
The key to the cap to me has always been the draft. You replace good players with picks and try to sign the elite players
But you have to draft well and get lucky sometimes like with brown

Potential top DE/pass rush LB in 2017 free agency if not franchised:
Chandler Jones
Jamie Collins
Melvin Ingram
JPP
Nick Perry

 

[waldoputty]

You are turning signing a big name FA or 2 into signing every FA in the world....it is a false comparison

I agree with Conner above that finding the DE to even spend money is the problem, not the ability to do it

DAL has the cap space to be very aggressive in building their roster and soon Free's, Romo's Witten's Crawford's and Dez' huge cap hits will be gone and be replaced with new guys

Draft picks are just as risky as FAs and extensions.......it is always about finding and signing the right players, not how you find them

LOL, well how many do you think we can afford with $40M of cap space?
What is your anticipated 2017 cap hit assuming smart cap structures:
Mo - $5M
Carr - $3M
Church - $2M
Leary - $5M
Wilcox - $2M
TWill - $4M
Butler - $2M
FA DE - $6M - say $80M 5 year contract 1M 1st year and 25M bonus - year 2-5 base of $14M/yr
My total bill estimate is 29M - am I that off?

Martin would come in 2017 season or after 2017 season

 

[LandryFan]

the draft money is only 2-3m drafting 32nd after the rule of 51 is applied

Martin doesn't have to be extended until 2019

You know far more than me about capology, so I defer to you on any of that stuff. Even though they don't have to extend Martin until 2019, they can extend him a year before can they not? Thanks.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are turning signing a big name FA or 2 into signing every FA in the world....it is a false comparison

I agree with Conner above that finding the DE to even spend money is the problem, not the ability to do it

DAL has the cap space to be very aggressive in building their roster and soon Free's, Romo's Witten's Crawford's and Dez' huge cap hits will be gone and be replaced with new guys

Draft picks are just as risky as FAs and extensions.......it is always about finding and signing the right players, not how you find them

As I said they have flexibility but for Dallas to be relevant for a long time cap management plays a part. I think some here only want 1 winning season then let it blow up. I don't I want the Cowboys to be responsible. Regardless if there is a DE out there or not it would make no sense to keep the highest paid player on the team as a backup player. No team in their right mind would do that.
I love Romo, been a big fan since he was given the chance but no one person is bigger than the team and we are not just dealing with next years contract but the 2 years after that.

 

[Nightman]

LOL, well how many do you think we can afford with $40M of cap space?
What is your anticipated 2017 cap hit assuming smart cap structures:
Mo - $5M
Carr - $3M
Church - $4M
Leary - $5M
Wilcox - $2M
TWill - $4M
Butler - $2M
FA DE - $6M
My total bill estimate is 29M - am I that off? 17m

Martin would come in 2017 season or after 2017 season?- after 2018

 

[waldoputty]

LOL, well how many do you think we can afford with $40M of cap space?
What is your anticipated 2017 cap hit assuming smart cap structures:
Mo - $5M
Carr - $3M
Church - $4M
Leary - $5M
Wilcox - $2M
TWill - $4M
Butler - $2M
FA DE - $6M
My total bill estimate is 29M - am I that off? 17m

Martin would come in 2017 season or after 2017 season?- after 2018

So my $ estimates for each player are ok?
But you disagree with signing all of them - that I buy.
But if we can easily open up $30M, we could do it all?

 

[Nightman]

You know far more than me about capology, so I defer to you on any of that stuff. Even though they don't have to extend Martin until 2019, they can extend him a year before can they not? Thanks.

They can but why? He has made over 10m so far and isn't desperate......DAL likes to spread its bigger contracts out instead of stacking them all

The big cap hits for him aren't coming until 2019-20 either way

 

[LandryFan]

They can but why? He has made over 10m so far and isn't desperate......DAL likes to spread its bigger contracts out instead of stacking them all

The big cap hits for him aren't coming until 2019-20 either way

My thought was that by signing him a year early, they might get a discount overall. But I certainly see the value in getting every day possible out of a relatively cheap rookie contract.

 

[waldoputty]

My thought was that by signing him a year early, they might get a discount overall. But I certainly see the value in getting every day possible out of a relatively cheap rookie contract.

That is true, but we should have huge cap room around then due to retirements.

 

[Nightman]

So my $ estimates for each player are ok?
But you disagree with signing all of them - that I buy.
But if we can easily open up $30M, we could do it all?

a lot of them are duplicates.......use the draft for depth instead of Carr, Wilcox, TWill, Hanna, Leary

I need to see a list of potential DEs before I commit 60m

 

[waldoputty]

a lot of them are duplicates.......use the draft for depth instead of Carr, Wilcox, TWill, Hanna, Leary

I need to see a list of potential DEs before I commit 60m

LOL, I would like Leary just like I would like Romo
Yes I am really greedy right now

Potential top DE/pass rush LB in 2017 free agency if not franchised:
Chandler Jones
Jamie Collins
Melvin Ingram
JPP
Nick Perry

 

[LandryFan]

That is true, but we should have huge cap room around then due to retirements.

The cap also increases most years to add more room, but I have no idea if that will be the case then, and even if it is the case, no knowledge of the amount. I don't think anybody knows the amount of increase until the league itself figures it out and announces it. At least that's what I remember from past years, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Nightman]

My thought was that by signing him a year early, they might get a discount overall. But I certainly see the value in getting every day possible out of a relatively cheap rookie contract.

They probably won't get a big discount but 9-10m seems fair

With the 5th year option around 9m they will probably extend him before 2018 now that I think of it to extend the proration on the signing bonus an extra year....that even saves cap space and the big hit won't come until 2020 after a restructure in 2019

No need to put off a FA because of Martin......Crawford, Lee and Dez will be up by then

 

[waldoputty]

The cap also increases most years to add more room, but I have no idea if that will be the case then, and even if it is the case, no knowledge of the amount. I don't think anybody knows the amount of increase until the league itself figures it out and announces it. At least that's what I remember from past years, if I'm not mistaken.

This annual $10M/year cap rise until 2021 is unprecedented.
That is why I say spend spend spend since we are entering the window.
Things are only going to get more expensive.

 

[waldoputty]

They probably won't get a big discount but 9-10m seems fair

With the 5th year option around 9m they will probably extend him before 2018 now that I think of it to extend the proration on the signing bonus an extra year....that even saves cap space and the big hit won't come until 2020 after a restructure in 2019

No need to put off a FA because of Martin......Crawford, Lee and Dez will be up by then

I am not so sure Crawford and Lee will be resigned.
Dez is more tricky case - hard to predict his decline by then.