Going On Record

[rcaldw]

I want to go on record early as to what I think the results of this hire (Phillips) will be. I don't do it to "stir the waters", I do it because I have an opinion of it, and if I put it on the board I can't ever come back and say that I saw it differently as this time. (Kind of like a journal ) Then again, if I'm right, I can judge whether my instincts were right or not.

I would welcome each one of you doing the same. I would only suggest we do it in a dispassionate way, not calling names, not insulting the other guy's point of view, just putting ours on record.

My honest opinion of the hire is that it isn't a good one. My opinion has less to do with Wade Phillips as it has to do with Jerry Jones. I think the fundamental problem in Cowboys land is that Jerry sees himself as a football man. I believe until that notion goes away we are doomed to mediocrity.

I think Phillips will help the defense. However, we have been trying to help the defense FOREVER. We have been drafting defense heavy in recent memory.

Honestly, even though I was pulling for Turner among the two, I was on record early wanting a Bob Stoops kind of coach. I still believe that this is ultimately the answer.

I want a young, energetic, confident coach who will run the FOOTBALL side of things. I want someone like Parcells (in terms of being in charge), but someone young and able to inspire a team, and in my book that was unlike the Parcells we got. He may have been that early in his career, but not with us.

I think this move basically amounts to Phillips as the DC while making head coaching decisions on game day. Jerry Jones is the face of the franchise. Jerry Jones is the "football guy".

Phillips doesn't even get to make his own offensive staff hires. That is backward.

So, put me down, officially, for LONG TERM problems. Please note, LONG TERM.

I think this team will be 9-7, to 11-5 this year, and make the playoffs. I do not see a Super Bowl during Phillip's tenure.

That is my "On the Record". What is yours?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

for the record:

I think it's a great hire

 

[mschmidt64]

I want to go on record early as to what I think the results of this hire (Phillips) will be. I don't do it to "stir the waters", I do it because I have an opinion of it, and if I put it on the board I can't ever come back and say that I saw it differently as this time. (Kind of like a journal ) Then again, if I'm right, I can judge whether my instincts were right or not.

I would welcome each one of you doing the same. I would only suggest we do it in a dispassionate way, not calling names, not insulting the other guy's point of view, just putting ours on record.

My honest opinion of the hire is that it isn't a good one. My opinion has less to do with Wade Phillips as it has to do with Jerry Jones. I think the fundamental problem in Cowboys land is that Jerry sees himself as a football man. I believe until that notion goes away we are doomed to mediocrity.

I think Phillips will help the defense. However, we have been trying to help the defense FOREVER. We have been drafting defense heavy in recent memory.

Honestly, even though I was pulling for Turner among the two, I was on record early wanting a Bob Stoops kind of coach. I still believe that this is ultimately the answer.

I want a young, energetic, confident coach who will run the FOOTBALL side of things. I want someone like Parcells (in terms of being in charge), but someone young and able to inspire a team, and in my book that was unlike the Parcells we got. He may have been that early in his career, but not with us.

I think this move basically amounts to Phillips as the DC while making head coaching decisions on game day. Jerry Jones is the face of the franchise. Jerry Jones is the "football guy".

Phillips doesn't even get to make his own offensive staff hires. That is backward.

So, put me down, officially, for LONG TERM problems. Please note, LONG TERM.

I think this team will be 9-7, to 11-5 this year, and make the playoffs. I do not see a Super Bowl during Phillip's tenure.

That is my "On the Record". What is yours?

That's pretty much what the evidence suggests.

As such, that's my take as well.

No playoff success in the short term.

Long term decline.

All in all, bad hire. As mediocre as it gets.

I liken it to hiring Denny Green. A player's coach who is an "expert" about one side of the ball.... but makes a crappy HC.

 

[smarta5150]

So you are saying the hire wasnt a good one but we will be an 11-5 team?

n.m, read it wrong

 

[superpunk]

It was the best possible hire we could make. It's unfortunate that there weren't more viable candidates. But we did the best we could. Noone was going to come in and pick their offensive staff - that's already in place, and IMO - for the best. If that was your criteria, any HC we hired would be damned from the word go. (Unless, of course, it was Norv. He wouldn't be damned....he's got stories about Troy. No...I can't get over that.)

We will have success. The biggest question is can Phillips coach up the defense and bridge the gap between offense and defense? Can he get a staff in place that will allow him to be mostly managerial? That's gonna require some defensive guys familiar with his scheme to work with Bowles.

 

[kingwhicker]

I think Phillips will help the defense.

I want a young, energetic, confident coach who will run the FOOTBALL side of things.

I think this team will be 9-7, to 11-5 this year, and make the playoffs. I do not see a Super Bowl during Phillip's tenure.

I agree on these points.

 

[doomsday81]

I want to go on record early as to what I think the results of this hire (Phillips) will be. I don't do it to "stir the waters", I do it because I have an opinion of it, and if I put it on the board I can't ever come back and say that I saw it differently as this time. (Kind of like a journal ) Then again, if I'm right, I can judge whether my instincts were right or not.

I would welcome each one of you doing the same. I would only suggest we do it in a dispassionate way, not calling names, not insulting the other guy's point of view, just putting ours on record.

My honest opinion of the hire is that it isn't a good one. My opinion has less to do with Wade Phillips as it has to do with Jerry Jones. I think the fundamental problem in Cowboys land is that Jerry sees himself as a football man. I believe until that notion goes away we are doomed to mediocrity.

I think Phillips will help the defense. However, we have been trying to help the defense FOREVER. We have been drafting defense heavy in recent memory.

Honestly, even though I was pulling for Turner among the two, I was on record early wanting a Bob Stoops kind of coach. I still believe that this is ultimately the answer.

I want a young, energetic, confident coach who will run the FOOTBALL side of things. I want someone like Parcells (in terms of being in charge), but someone young and able to inspire a team, and in my book that was unlike the Parcells we got. He may have been that early in his career, but not with us.

I think this move basically amounts to Phillips as the DC while making head coaching decisions on game day. Jerry Jones is the face of the franchise. Jerry Jones is the "football guy".

Phillips doesn't even get to make his own offensive staff hires. That is backward.

So, put me down, officially, for LONG TERM problems. Please note, LONG TERM.

I think this team will be 9-7, to 11-5 this year, and make the playoffs. I do not see a Super Bowl during Phillip's tenure.

That is my "On the Record". What is yours?

I would give you my answer but you stole it. Very well said. The only thing I don't get is you saying Jerry Jones isn't a football guy. He did play offensive line at the University of Arkansas. He also made millions in the oil industry. Are you telling me that's not the resume of a good NFL GM? I bet he even watched a lot of football growing up. Like I always say, if Jones sent his resume for a GM job to the other 31 NFL teams, 30 of them would laugh and toss it in the trash, with the Raiders being the only exception.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think the hire is as good as the current situation allows, because the choices just aren't very attractive this year.

I know you wanted Bob Stoops, but it takes two to tango and Stoops simply wasn't interested.

I do agree that Jerry's new man-crush on Garrett, a coach with potential but not any experience, is puzzling and to me it seems to be another example of Jerry trying to capture the magic again or make up for losing Sean Payton. I don't like that at all.

I also am VERY concerned about Jerry taking over the football operations again, if that's what he is doing. That was unmitigated disaster from 1994 - 2002!

 

[burmafrd]

I think it comes down to who the OC is and how good he is. The D will be MUCH better- aggressive and nasty.

 

[Wood]

Phillips doesn't even get to make his own offensive staff hires. That is backward.

he might not even get to hire his own defensive guys....which is freightening.

 

[The Realist]

Great hire......

D goes off and finishes top 5 scoring and takeaways, and top 10 in sacks.

11-5 finish at worst and NFC Championship game.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

a relatively proven HC, a 3-4 wizard, what's not to like?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Personally, I wanted Norv Turner at first. Why? Because Troy Aikman speaks so highly of him as a coach and I respect what Troy has to say on almost everything.

Now, I am happy with Wade because our defense upset me so often last year with their inconsistant play. Phillips will at LEAST mix up his blitzes and give us a FUN/EXCITING defense to watch starting in San Antonio training camp!

 

[DipChit]

I think it all hinges on Romo anyway. If he plays really well over the course of the season I imagine we'd have a shot.. if he doesnt, we wont. In either case pretty much regardless of who the HC is.

People keep saying our D was the problem down the stretch and it had issues to be sure. But so did the offense compared to mid-season. 17 against the Saints, 7 against Philly, 13 against Seattle etc.

SD went through a period mid year that was about as bad as ours was defensively down the stretch. Course they won 4 of 5 anyway cause they scored 38, 27, 32, 49 and 35 of their own so it didnt matter much that they were giving up 29+ on average over that period.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think it all hinges on Romo anyway. If he plays really well over the course of the season I imagine we'd have a shot.. if he doesnt, we wont. In either case pretty much regardless of who the HC is.

People keep saying our D was the problem down the stretch and it had issues to be sure. But so did the offense compared to mid-season. 17 against the Saints, 7 against Philly, 13 against Seattle etc.

SD went through a period mid year that was about as bad as ours was defensively down the stretch. Course they won 4 of 5 anyway cause they scored 38, 32, 49 and 35 of their own so it didnt matter much that they were giving up 29+ on average over that period.

it's hard to score when you're not able to get in a rythm, because the opposing O is outgaining you 2 to 1 in TOP

sometimes a good D is just a good O

 

[rcaldw]

I think it all hinges on Romo anyway. If he plays really well over the course of the season I imagine we'd have a shot.. if he doesnt, we wont. In either case pretty much regardless of who the HC is.

People keep saying our D was the problem down the stretch and it had issues to be sure. But so did the offense compared to mid-season. 17 against the Saints, 7 against Philly, 13 against Seattle etc.

SD went through a period mid year that was about as bad as ours was defensively down the stretch. Course they won 4 of 5 anyway cause they scored 38, 32, 49 and 35 of their own so it didnt matter much that they were giving up 29+ on average over that period.

Very good observation Dip. I was wondering when someone would say that it wasn't just our defense, and it wasn't. Which means that if Jerry made this hire just for defense, it could prove to be a mistake.

I think the real "if" in this situation is Garrett. If Garrett isn't ready, and if Sporano isn't exerting a LOT of influence, then we will have trouble. Once again, though, if Sporano ends up having to basically run the offense because Garrett isn't ready, then you have that "Who has what title?" business that Jerry loves to produce. It is the scenario that basically has Jerry into everything including jocks and socks.

 

[LUVDABOYS]

I hesitate to say this, but I believe 18 years as an owner/Gm of the Dallas Cowboys might just make Jerry a "Football guy". That's a lot of experiance. Jerry in my opinion, has learned from his failures as well as his success. I'm not saying Jerry is neccesarily a good GM, but to say he is pretending to be a football guy is wrong in my opinion.
He's been a "Football guy" longer than some on this board have been alive.

 

[EveryoneElse]

I am torn. On one hand, I wanted nothing to do with Norv Turner, and I'm thankful that Norv will be coming back to the west coast, far away from my Cowboys. But, then there is Wade Phillips. I don't know if any others get the same feeling, but when I heard it was Wade, I got the "Hmmm" feeling. Kinda depressing, but not on the same depressed feeling that Norv would have brought ....just, "Hmmm".

I expect to see an exciting defense led by a sack machine in DeMarcus Ware. Thats about the only positive I can see coming out of this. Sadly, I kinda expect the offense to take a step back or two with a new system, especially Romo. I don't hate the hire, but it's not one to get excited about, imo.

Going on the record:

Phillips will receive a 3 year 7.5 million dollar deal.

I expect a 1 and done in the playoffs this next year and a continued slide after that.

After 3 years(one playoff berth) I see Garrett taking over, and who knows after that.

I so hope I'm wrong, and way off base.

I like the hire because it means no Norv, but I don't expect overwhelming success with Wade "the new puppet" Phillips.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am torn. On one hand, I wanted nothing to do with Norv Turner, and I'm thankful that Norv will be coming back to the west coast, far away from my Cowboys. But, then there is Wade Phillips. I don't know if any others get the same feeling, but when I heard it was Wade, I got the "Hmmm" feeling. Kinda depressing, but not on the same depressed feeling that Norv would have brought ....just, "Hmmm".

I expect to see an exciting defense led by a sack machine in DeMarcus Ware. Thats about the only positive I can see coming out of this. Sadly, I kinda expect the offense to take a step back or two with a new system, especially Romo. I don't hate the hire, but it's not one to get excited about, imo.

Going on the record:

Phillips will receive a 3 year 7.5 million dollar deal.

I expect a 1 and done in the playoffs this next year and a continued slide after that.

After 3 years(one playoff berth) I see Garrett taking over, and who knows after that.

I so hope I'm wrong, and way off base.

I like the hire because it means no Norv, but I don't expect overwhelming success with Wade "the new puppet" Phillips.

I don't think Wade left his situation in SD to be a puppet of Jerry. I also do not see this offense changing from pretty much what it is now. Dallas ran a balanced attack last season we will continue to run this style of offense under Garrett. My hope is Wade can do the job for years to come and expect no less than that.

 

[rcaldw]

I hesitate to say this, but I believe 18 years as an owner/Gm of the Dallas Cowboys might just make Jerry a "Football guy". That's a lot of experiance. Jerry in my opinion, has learned from his failures as well as his success. I'm not saying Jerry is neccesarily a good GM, but to say he is pretending to be a football guy is wrong in my opinion.
He's been a "Football guy" longer than some on this board have been alive.

Luvdaboys, you may be right, but I'm not sure about that one. Hanging around a hospital for 18 years wouldn't make me a doctor. Jones has been associated with football people for a long time, but I don't see much to encourage me that he makes good football decisions. Granted, that is the opinion of another "non football guy", but I just look at the results. We have had 5 HEAD COACHES IN THE LAST 11 YEARS, and haven't won a playoff game in 10 years.

That isn't a track record that is encouraging.