Going On Record

[rangers71]

Put me down as saying this is a good hire. Phillips is an experienced head coach. I think he is better than most people give him credit for. Jerry is damned no matter what he does. If he picks a retread he gets crucified. If he goes with someone with no experience the same thing happens. No matter what he does it will be wrong in the minds of most. He went out and hired a hall of fame coach and got nothing to show for it. He has hired nfl coordinators, and college coaches all with varying degree of success and failure's. Jerry is a smart man. He wouldn't be a millionaire if he wasn't. I think he has learned from his past mistakes. He had Bill in on most of the interviews. Is he qualified to help pick a coach? I would say yes. No matter what you think of him or his past the guy wants to win and we at least have that. I mean after all we could have Bill Bidwell as the owner. I may be proven wrong but I think it's a good hire.

 

[rcaldw]

I'll preface my statement w/the fact that Jerry has made some horrid decisions. That said, this is the same guy that fired the legendary Tom Landry, replaced him w/a college coach and won 2 SBs w/him, brought in one of 500 coaches (Barry Switzer) and won another SB w/him. Then screwed up w/his mingling and the Gailey Campo eras. Learned his lesson and brought in, what everybody wanted, a control freak coach and let him have his way. Which gets us to better personnel, but still 2 playoff trips and one and done. It is quite possible that Jerry has learned many lessons and is more of a "football guy" than anyone on this board. Yet day in day out he gets destroyed as the worst GM ever. Get back to me w/5 other current GMs track records that have brought in 3 championships in 17 years and the desire to win at all cost, and maybe I'll jump ship w/some of you guys.

Not at all knocking your take on it, but want to offer a different point of view of it.

Here is how I look at his tenure.

He fired Tom Landry
He brought in Jimmy Johnson (A+ on this one) - They win 2 SB's
He brings in Barry Switzer (the beginning of the end) - should have won 2 SB's with the talent they had, came away with 1, but not because of Switzer, in spite of Switzer.
Everything else is history.

So in my book, Jerry hasn't made a really good GM decision since he hired Jimmy.

Having said that, I love Jerry for one thing, and I've said this many times. He WANTS to win and he is willing to spend. No one can fault Jerry along those lines.

 

[rcaldw]

I'm not sure what the whining is about. Do you think SD's D was thinking "I know we led the league in sacks, but Wade's too old to be here in a decade".

People whine that we didn't go with the young guy as HC and they whine we did go with the young guy as OC. JJ can't win. If JJ had hired Alonzo Stagg Knute Vince Tom Walsh there'd be grumbling the game's passed him by and we should have taken a flier on Mike Singletary or Rivera.

No one whining here Cassidy, giving our "on the record" views of whether it was a good hire or not and what we believe the future will hold with Phillips. So I guess we can put you down for "good hire"?

 

[BulletBob]

Honestly, even though I was pulling for Turner among the two, I was on record early wanting a Bob Stoops kind of coach. I still believe that this is ultimately the answer.

I want a young, energetic, confident coach who will run the FOOTBALL side of things. I want someone like Parcells (in terms of being in charge), but someone young and able to inspire a team, and in my book that was unlike the Parcells we got. He may have been that early in his career, but not with us.

Well, had Turner been named the coach (as you had wanted), your own criteria (bolded above) dictate that you would have been just as disappointed.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not sure what the whining is about. Do you think SD's D was thinking "I know we led the league in sacks, but Wade's too old to be here in a decade".

People whine that we didn't go with the young guy as HC and they whine we did go with the young guy as OC. JJ can't win. If JJ had hired Alonzo Stagg Knute Vince Tom Walsh there'd be grumbling the game's passed him by and we should have taken a flier on Mike Singletary or Rivera.

People wanted their guy. People had different qualifications. For some, it was important that he be young - or fiery - or have ties to the glory days - qualifications be damned. That's fine. I don't think any of that reflects badly on the choice we did make. We made the best of a bad situation. Good for us.

 

[rcaldw]

Well, had Turner been named the coach (as you had wanted), your own criteria (bolded above) dictate that you would have been just as disappointed.

No, let me clarify. If we had brought in Norv Turner I don't think it would have represented the best solution to what we need. I say again, I believe we need a young coach, smart, with vision and confidence, and in charge of the football team. That is the answer, in my opinion.

Having said that, if Jerry Jones isn't going to do that, I thought Turner was the better choice of the two.

So "just as disappointed" isn't accurate. Believing that it would have been less than best? Yes.

But, I think it would have come closer to giving us what we need because I think Turner, in this situation, and at this time, with this QB, could have made our offense something special.

Anyway, whether you agree with me or not, put down what you really believe this represents, a good hire or a bad one, and it will be fun to look back one day and see whether we were right or wrong.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I want to go on record early as to what I think the results of this hire (Phillips) will be. I don't do it to "stir the waters", I do it because I have an opinion of it, and if I put it on the board I can't ever come back and say that I saw it differently as this time. (Kind of like a journal ) Then again, if I'm right, I can judge whether my instincts were right or not.

I would welcome each one of you doing the same. I would only suggest we do it in a dispassionate way, not calling names, not insulting the other guy's point of view, just putting ours on record.

My honest opinion of the hire is that it isn't a good one. My opinion has less to do with Wade Phillips as it has to do with Jerry Jones. I think the fundamental problem in Cowboys land is that Jerry sees himself as a football man. I believe until that notion goes away we are doomed to mediocrity.

I think Phillips will help the defense. However, we have been trying to help the defense FOREVER. We have been drafting defense heavy in recent memory.

Honestly, even though I was pulling for Turner among the two, I was on record early wanting a Bob Stoops kind of coach. I still believe that this is ultimately the answer.

I want a young, energetic, confident coach who will run the FOOTBALL side of things. I want someone like Parcells (in terms of being in charge), but someone young and able to inspire a team, and in my book that was unlike the Parcells we got. He may have been that early in his career, but not with us.

I think this move basically amounts to Phillips as the DC while making head coaching decisions on game day. Jerry Jones is the face of the franchise. Jerry Jones is the "football guy".

Phillips doesn't even get to make his own offensive staff hires. That is backward.

So, put me down, officially, for LONG TERM problems. Please note, LONG TERM.

I think this team will be 9-7, to 11-5 this year, and make the playoffs. I do not see a Super Bowl during Phillip's tenure.

That is my "On the Record". What is yours?

Here's my prediction: we're going to have smashmouth D next year. I believe this will probably happen. Everything else is entirely up in the air, IMO.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That's pretty much what the evidence suggests.

As such, that's my take as well.

No playoff success in the short term.

Long term decline.

All in all, bad hire. As mediocre as it gets.

I liken it to hiring Denny Green. A player's coach who is an "expert" about one side of the ball.... but makes a crappy HC.

Are you aware that we're not talking about Norv Turner here?

 

[mschmidt64]

Are you aware that we're not talking about Norv Turner here?

Very much so.

Turner and Phillips were pretty much equals in my eyes.

Except Turner has won more playoff games, I believe.

 

[smarta5150]

Very much so.

Turner and Phillips were pretty much equals in my eyes.

Except Turner has won more playoff games, I believe.

Bill Parcells won a lot of playoff games and some Superbowls too.

He went 0-2 with us.

Playing the history card doesnt always hold water.

Who did you want? Some young guy who hasnt had any experience? They have just as many wins in the postseason as a HC as Wade... ZERO. The difference is Wade has a ton of experience and arguably knows the 3-4 better than anyone else right now.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Very much so.

Turner and Phillips were pretty much equals in my eyes.

Except Turner has won more playoff games, I believe.

LOL. One guy is a career nine games over .500 while the other is 24 games under .500. Yet they're the same guy.

My prediction is that this was not a perfect hire, but it was the best one possible under the circumstances. We might have caught lightning in a bottle with Rivera or Singletary, but this team has the talent to win right away, so I support a coach who has been there before and doesn't need a couple of years to learn the ropes.

I say we go 10-6/11-5 next year and win a playoff game with a more playmaking defense and an offense that's about the same.

IMO making predictions for three to four years down the road are too speculative in today's NFL, and aren't necessary anyway.

 

[mschmidt64]

LOL. One guy is a career nine games over .500 while the other is 24 games under .500. Yet they're the same guy.

I didn't say they were the same guy.

Both of them have had sufficient experience as head coaches and yet both have failed to win anything of significance in the post season.

To me, that's two different forms of not being good enough.

 

[smarta5150]

I didn't say they were the same guy.

Both of them have had sufficient experience as head coaches and yet both have failed to win anything of significance in the post season.

To me, that's two different forms of not being good enough.

How long did it take Cowher to win a Superbowl?

Would you attack him the same way you attack Phillips for not winning anything as a HC?

 

[mschmidt64]

How long did it take Cowher to win a Superbowl?

Cowher had the Steelers in title games rather quickly, and he was in the Super Bowl by his 4th season as head coach. And they were there almost every year.

Phillips has never won a playoff game and had his teams keep dipping below .500. And the man is now 60 years old. There is a difference.

Good chance that Phillips has fired whatever bullets he had.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I look at it this way. After Phillips fails we end up giving Garrett a shot. Ten more years of the basement on the way.

 

[mschmidt64]

I look at it this way. After Phillips fails we end up giving Garrett a shot. Ten more years of the basement on the way.

It's not that bad....

..... Three more years.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It's not that bad....

..... Three more years.

I'm not that confident a QB coach is a wise move for a HC either.

 

[Da Hammer]

I'll go on record and say we at least make it to the NFC Championship game. BOOK IT!

 

[DLCassidy]

No one whining here Cassidy, giving our "on the record" views of whether it was a good hire or not and what we believe the future will hold with Phillips. So I guess we can put you down for "good hire"?

He's not Norv so it's already a good hire IMO.:laugh2: It was my choice/prediction so I guess I'm ok with it. The best of a less than spectacular lot.

 

[Mansta54]

for the record:

I think it's a great hire

What he said!!!!! :signmast: