Primetime42;3849650 said:
I'm just reading what I see, bud.
You're just reading what you want to see to fit your agenda.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
True or False - They played like absolute garbage the next two games with Kitna under center.
True, the team was 1-6 and had just lost their starting QB for at least 6 to 8 weeks. The team had given up.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
True or False - It wasn't until the coaching change that the entire team - including Jon Kitna - started putting some semblance of a professional football product on the field.
Only part of that is true the other thing that got the team playing better was Kitna had worked off most of the rust from not playing for 2 years.
The offense had to be simplified until he was up to speed which limited what the Cowboys could do on offense.
Kitna isn't as nimble a foot as Romo so the Cowboys had to make a few changes.
Once Kitna started getting back into the groove of playing and got on page with his receivers he played well.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
I don't need to know you. Your agenda shows quite easily.
Dude you're the one who's twisting comments. If you don't like reading honest opinions then go find a Romo apologist to chat with. You two should get along well.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Which is what you've been spinning! :toast:
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Romo's taken some ridiculously hard hits not just to the body, but to the head...and not just last year, but in the last few years.
Every QB takes some hard hits they play in the NFL not a flag football league.
As for the hits to his head how many concussions has Romo suffered? To my knowledge he hasn't suffered one in the NFL. So much for those hits to the head. LOL
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Want to see examples? Look up the KC game in 09, the first Commander game that same year and the Cleveland game from 08. And they're not the only ones, just the examples that immediately come to mind.
So what's your point he's not being protected? In his last 47 games he's been sacked 89 times compared to 115 sacks for Rodgers in his last 47 games.
Speaking of hits to the head Rodgers suffered 2 concussions last season. Both he and Roethlisberger have taken more hits than Romo.
The Cowboys OL gave up a total of 29 sacks last season with Romo, Kitna, and McGee combined.
Rodgers got sacked 31 times last season and suffered 2 concussions. Roethlisberger got sacked 32 times in just 12 games last season and suffered a broken nose.
In 08 Roethlisberger played behind the worst OL in SB history. He was sacked 46 times that season and was carted off the field late that season with a concussion.
Romo hasn't taken near the hits that Rodgers or Roethlisberger has taken.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
With that in mind, remember that last year he became the first QB in franchise history to play every snap in a season.
Which shoots down your point that he's been taking a beating and proves mine that he hasn't. :toast: :laugh2:
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Now who's "spinning"? :laugh2:
So you don't agree Kitna was rusty after not playing for 2 years? Even Wade admitted he was rusty. LOL
You don't agree the offense had to be simplified until Kitna was up to speed? He said during his first practice as the starter they were going to have to scale things some down a bit until he got up to speed.
Did you miss that? LOL I don't play the spin game that's your MO.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
The "rust" excuse works for the Giant game...maybe.
The Jax and GB games? Hell, no. Everyone not named Dez Bryant played like absolute garbage...if they even tried playing at all.
Dude, Kitna hadn't played in a regular season game in 2 years. All the reps he got during training camp were with backup receivers.
During preseason he only attempted 39 passes all with backups.
The first 6 weeks of the season he got virtually no reps and you expect him to be finely tuned after only one half of football?
It's going to take more than that for a QB who hadn't played a meaningful game in 2 years to work off the rust and get familiar with receivers he hadn't worked with.
He passed for 379 yards against Jax completed almost 70% of his passes. Romo's only had maybe 2 games in his career that were more productive than that.
Kitna had 4 int's that hurt his performance.
Funny how you make excuses for Romo but won't give Kitna any leeway. LOL
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Again, I'm just going by what I read, because when I see this:
, it sure reads to me like someone implying Jon Kitna did a better job than Tony Romo could have, whatever the reasons may be.
I wasn't implying anything you're just reading what you want into things I say. What else's is new! LOL
Primetime42;3849650 said:
But maybe I'm just "spinning" it to my own agenda and those words aren't really there.
That's exactly what you're doing because your take on what I said is false.
Saying Kitna has some qualities I wish Romo had isn't saying he did a better job than Romo it's saying that he handled his mistakes and the adversity the team was facing better than Romo.
Kitna doesn't sulk after a bad play he goes over and starts trying to round up his troops instead of looking dejected on the bench.
He'll get pissed off jawing with his receiver coming off the field when they've screwed up. Say what you will about Kitna but he has some moxie about him his leadership has never been questioned.
Now go ahead and spin it that I'm saying Kitna is better than Romo. :laugh2:
Primetime42;3849650 said:
I don't even have anything to say to that last part, but did you watch the game or simply look at the box score? Do you remember WHY Dallas was down 17-0 after the first quarter?
Do you remember who threw a pick on the first possession and then aborted a snap on 3rd down of the second possession (an issue that goes back a while with him and Andre Gurode for whatever reason)
Here's a hint: It wasn't Tony Romo.
No, it was Romo but he tossed 7 picks in 6 games last season. He threw a couple of very costly ill timed picks one against Tenn with just 7 min to play that helped cost the Cowboys that game.
Kitna clearly played a part in the team getting down 17-0 vs NO I never said he didn't.
Kitna makes mistakes and you jump right on them but ignore Romo's mistakes that have helped keep the team from living up to it's potential.
Kitna was forced to take over at QB when the team was pretty much down and out at 1-5.
I think he did a wonderful job under the circumstances and his play should be commended regardless that he didn't play perfect.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Because as we see time and time again, it's not great QB's that win Super Bowls...it's great TEAMS.
In this era it's the team who's QB plays the best that wins the SB. The last few SB's have come down to QB's having to make plays to win the game in the end.
It's a passing league and QB's have to throw the ball for their teams to win the SB.
Primetime42;3849650 said:
Again, I don't have to. You're doing it for me.
Exactly, I've shown how you put your own spin on things to fit your agenda. LOL
Primetime42;3849650 said:
But if you're gonna continue using that crutch for the duration, I guess we have nothing left to discuss here, do we?
I don't need a crutch I deal in facts while you have to use one because you appear to be handicapped by your inability to comprehend what you read.
Either that or you enjoy putting your own spin on what people say.
You can't find anything factual so you give your own take on things. If you want to continue that game go waste someone else's time.