Goodell and the refs have it out for the Cowboys?

[plymkr]

If they don't believe the Anti-Cowboys bias they would never ever accept the Brady-NFL marriage, no matter how much evidence there is since the days of the tuck rule, they just regurgitate goat, goat, the goat, like sheep. Good article though.
I wonder what this bunch thought of the Seahawks-Steelers SB some years ago, or the NBA rigged games scandal?

You beat me to it. I was going to mention the NBA officiating scandal. There's a documentary on Netflix about that. Very good watch. There was a couple very upsetting things in the documentary.
1. It's crazy how easily someone involved in a sports league, especially an official to get manipulated by the mob syndicate. Like crazy scary how one innocent mix up, conversation, bet, or joke could be used by the mob to force someone to do their biddings. And the tactics they use to intimidate and coerce people are scary, like threatening to kill your family.
2. Most of the officials would talk about the game they were about ref and what they wanted to call. An example is Allen Iverson ticked off a ref earlier in the season and the refs just targeted him out of spite. It was planned and premeditated before the game.
3. The NBA/David Stern used similar tactics the mob did to silence other officials and make Tim Donaghy out to be a lone wolf instead of the truth that a good number of refs were in on it. Also David Stern said he was allowing the FBI to investigate but right as the investigation started someone from the NBA office leaked the FBI was going to wire Tim Donaghy and get more officials, and NBA higher ups, to discuss their shady practices. This "NBA office leak" happened right as they were going to get physical evidence via wiring Tim D but the press ran the story before Tim D was wired. Like the day before. Shady by the NBA office.

I'm not saying that's happening in the NFL. I could see it happen in the NFL due to Goodell's less then stellar transparency. Like he destroyed all the tapes and evidence from spygate. That's just one example. But again, not saying it is happening in the NFL but that documentary was eye opening and if anything it is a very good watch. I'd encourage everyone to watch it just for the history aspect and entertainment value.

 

[DogFace]

You have absolutely nothing. Some guy on the internet? How do you know he was an official? And if he’sa member send him the link to this thread .

As I’ve stated, and like you I never get a reply disputing these facts.

One team has been called for all of these rare infractions. No other team has experienced 2. Most haven’t experienced any of them. They, to me, are evidence of an occasional ref bias. Many realize we’ve gotten some very one sided judgement calls too, but let’s focus on theses because they are unique to one team. (I believe)

1. Illegal huddle. Changed a playoff game wiped out 3 minimally.
2. False start on long snapper to lose game.
3. Delay of game on D-Law for shifting pre snap
4. Two tripping penalties that didn’t happen by all pro center.
5. Unsportsmanlike conduct on Garrett for barely arguing a bad call (has that ever happened except in college basketball)
6. Long streaks of no-holding calls. Like 10+ games despite us having the sack leader and leading the league in reassures.
7. Ref runs from 30 yards behind play to stop snap and prevent final desperation attempt.
8. Refs don’t stop play and make kicker kick two 60 yard field goals. And say they are reviewing a play that happened about 5 minutes in the past in real time.


Goodell? No. Refs that are football fans and hate the team like many other fans? Maybe.

 

[DZSierra]

Just like football rankings for players, there are rankings for NFL referees. Look em up.

Having been a volunteer ref for youth sports some years ago, end of the day, being a ref is a no win situation, and probably worse if you get paid for it.

You have professional athletes going what seems like 100 mph, you're bound to get some human error.

 

[plymkr]

Just like football rankings for players, there are rankings for NFL referees. Look em up.

Having been a volunteer ref for youth sports some years ago, end of the day, being a ref is a no win situation, and probably worse if you get paid for it.

You have professional athletes going what seems like 100 mph, you're bound to get some human error.

Exactly. Refs are humans and humans can have a bias either subconsciously or consciously. I feel it's 100% naive to believe the referees ref the game without any biases. I also feel it's 100% delusional for someone to believe the games are completely fixed WWE style.

I personally feel the refs may subconsciously have favorites that influence their judgement as opposed to a vendetta against the Cowboys. I feel Refs favor Brady and Rodgers and in 2014 and 2016 that played a role in us losing. Not the reason we lost but it was there. But I don't truly buy into the notion that the refs with cheat for Brady and Rodgers. So if we do not overtake the Eagles and are the 5th seed and play Brady in the playoffs. I feel and believe we win, cuz there is no amount of bias that can make up for how much better we are playing as opposed to how bad Brady and the Bucs are playing. We go there and we win that game because we're better, even with my belief of favoritism towards Brady.

 

[DZSierra]

I feel Refs favor Brady and Rodgers and in 2014 and 2016 that played a role in us losing. Not the reason we lost but it was there.

End of the day, I'm pretty certain every team is screwed by a bad call during a game, but the reality is if you're a superior team, a blown call "here or there" won't determine the final outcome of the game if you're truly the better team (not that it matters, I feel the same way about Brady and Rogers).

Thing is, don't give the refs something stupid to call that boils down to a lack of discipline (basically staying away from a stupid offsides or illegal formation during an important drive to score).

The only team I really felt sorry for was the Saints when they lost to the rams due to a blatant PI blown call that I felt determined the outcome of the game. Ironically enough, even after that blown PI call, after a year of experimenting with having PI calls reviewable, the NFL ownership felt it wasn't "worthy" enough to implement. I'm sorry, but if something is so blatantly missed during a post season game where it determines who is moving on the final game, I'm just kind of scratching my head over that.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Multiple times, everyday someone is complaining about Goodell and the refs having it out for the Cowboys. How they will help Brady out to beat the Cowboys or Rogers or anyone. I’ve asked the question multiple times of some of these posters of , “Who, how and why”. I’ve yet to get a response. So let me lay it out for you.

If Goodell has it out for the Cowboys and is using the refs to influence the game the process would play out something like this. Let’s just take one game. Say the first playoff game. Goodell would have to call in or meet virtually with the officiating crew for that game. Then tell them that he wants them to make sure the Cowboys don’t win or at the least if the call is questionable go in favor of the other team. These refs do this as mostly a hobby as they all have full time jobs. Some are Doctors, lawyers, pilots etc. They don’t need the money so you think any of them would do what Goodell asks? They have reputations to protect. Even if one of them accepted, do you think the other 4 would not tell someone? Of course they would because if they didn’t then they would be just as guilty.

And some of you say this happens every week so every officiating crew should have to be in on it. I mean it’s so ludicrous it’s just unbelievable so many here think this is happening.

The officiating crews for any game make mistakes. That’s what you’re seeing and not some intentional attempt to screw the Cowboys. And these mistakes more often than not, even out.

So this “Goodell and the refs” have it out for the Cowboys is pure conspiracy quackery.

 

[sandbridge77]

Cowboy fans, the reason the price of tin foil is through the roof.

 

[Runwildboys]

If they don't believe the Anti-Cowboys bias they would never ever accept the Brady-NFL marriage, no matter how much evidence there is since the days of the tuck rule, they just regurgitate goat, goat, the goat, like sheep. Good article though.
I wonder what this bunch thought of the Seahawks-Steelers SB some years ago, or the NBA rigged games scandal?

Brady does seem to get preferential treatment, no doubt, but that's not league mandated. That's just the refs giving the goat the benefit of the doubt, most of the time. If the league is in some Tom Brady love fest, explain Deflategate. They could very easily have swept it under the rug, but they put in a lot of time and resources to prove there was something untoward going on. After that whole debacle, why would the league treat him like he's their first born?

 

[Blackrain]

And it all came from me showing how McGovern held on the play versus showing a slanted angle some Tweeter put up to rope in the weak, conspiracy-minded folks. No surprise in snaring you like they did though. They look for the emotional and unstable. Well they hit the leprechaun's gold pot with you.

Yeah but you really needed to cut out the hands to the face on our center .

Lol

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I used to do the taxes for a now-retired NFL official who would find your conspiracy stuff laughable. Let me guess, HE WAS IN ON IT!

Serious question, why would you waste your time on a sport you truly believed was rigged against your favorite team? It makes no sense.

That's the fly in your ointment. You don't really believe what you're saying. It's a coping mechanism. Otherwise, you wouldn't even be here.

Hitting hard with the truth bombs.

You are 100%. It's a coping mechanism. Because, like you said, if you really believed the NFL had it out for your team you wouldn't waste time watching it.

 

[Runwildboys]

Because we don't have any other choice. Very simple. It's not like one is betting money on them. Simply hoping for the best and supporting. We know certain games against certain teams and QBs will be officiated in favor for the opponent.

You have no choice? Who's got you tied up and is forcing you to root for a team you "know" the league hates? If they're never going to allow the Cowboys to win, why not root for a different team? Oh wait, then the first controversial call that doesn't go your way, you'll have to start all over again. Hey, maybe it's YOU the league is out to get!

 

[Runwildboys]

Yeah but you really needed to cut out the hands to the face on our center .

Lol

That's irrelevant to the argument though, Blackie. I don't know whether it happened or not, but it doesn't matter for the purpose of this discussion.

 

[Blackrain]

I think the rest of us need to clear out of here and let @Rockport and @America's Cowboy go 1v1.

I agree and I think AC needs to just clear out and let the dumb as a bag of rocks looking for any port in a storm that will listen Carry on this ridiculous post by himself

AS IT WAS DISCUSSED IN A 30-PAGE EPITAPHT LAST WEEK AND THEY'RE REALLY IS NOTHING LEFT TO SAY THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN GONE OVER A HUNDRED TIMES.

The only sad thing is I believe Greg and Rockport are on the same side of this argument or that would be entertaining to sit and watch those two dysfunctional individuals debate the topic.

Although I'm putting my money on Greg because I believe he is more relentless and I think he has more TVs and an even more twisted football lifestyle than Rockport.

Holy spit guys give it a break we just won the game and it was actually officiated pretty damn well so let's be thankful.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I can't believe I am on Rocky's side on something....

But then again, when you're on the opposite side of AC on something you're usually on the right side.

 

[plasticman]

There is no statistical proof that the referees are being unfair to the Cowboys.

In fact, the data shows that the difference between the number of penalties for the Cowboys and their opponents is ranked right in the middle at #16 compared to the rest of the league.

In addition, there is only a one and a half penalties per game difference between the top ranked team and the bottom ranked team in "penalty margin" over the past ten years.

 

[Blackrain]

That's irrelevant to the argument though, Blackie. I don't know whether it happened or not, but it doesn't matter for the purpose of this discussion.

I'm just messing around runny cuz I think we discussed this so much last week the strain is more than I can bear. Lol.

Especially since I think this game was officiated pretty well maybe they heard our cries for better officiating in the 35 page thread that we constructed last week.

 

[Blackrain]

I can't believe I am on Rocky's side on something....

But then again, when you're on the opposite side of AC on something you're usually on the right side.

Hey you could always sequester yourself and be too well to attend this conference.

 

[Runwildboys]

As I’ve stated, and like you I never get a reply disputing these facts.

One team has been called for all of these rare infractions. No other team has experienced 2. Most haven’t experienced any of them. They, to me, are evidence of an occasional ref bias. Many realize we’ve gotten some very one sided judgement calls too, but let’s focus on theses because they are unique to one team. (I believe)

1. Illegal huddle. Changed a playoff game wiped out 3 minimally.
2. False start on long snapper to lose game.
3. Delay of game on D-Law for shifting pre snap
4. Two tripping penalties that didn’t happen by all pro center.
5. Unsportsmanlike conduct on Garrett for barely arguing a bad call (has that ever happened except in college basketball)
6. Long streaks of no-holding calls. Like 10+ games despite us having the sack leader and leading the league in reassures.
7. Ref runs from 30 yards behind play to stop snap and prevent final desperation attempt.
8. Refs don’t stop play and make kicker kick two 60 yard field goals. And say they are reviewing a play that happened about 5 minutes in the past in real time.


Goodell? No. Refs that are football fans and hate the team like many other fans? Maybe.

You can't use legitimate penalties as evidence to prove bias, no matter how obscure the rule. Some officials are more knowledgeable than others, and some teams are less knowledgeable.
If you're referring to Garrett getting flagged after shouting at the red and (IIRC) whipped the red flag or something down, I remember everyone actually being a little proud of JG for that, and I don't remember many saying he barely argued.
The rest is all just perception, IMO, not malice.

 

[MarcusRock]

Experience > non-experience

Exactly.

Knowledge of words > Liars

 

[MarcusRock]

Yeah but you really needed to cut out the hands to the face on our center .

Lol

I thought you were trolling in that other thread just to have something opposite to say but do you seriously believe there's hands to the face going on against Biadasz when the DL has an open hand on his shoulder pad and isn't even grasping anything?