Goodell and the refs have it out for the Cowboys?

[Rayman70]

Case closed. Class dismissed.

 

[MarcusRock]

You don't really believe what you're saying. It's a coping mechanism. Otherwise, you wouldn't even be here.

It's all stirred up by fear. There's a reason that days before big games there's threads about the refs. People fear a loss so they have to create their boogeymen early. It's all in people's posts as they talk about "what the media will say" if we do lose. So when you oppose that with being rational or God forbid even present evidence to the contrary, you get called "not a real fan" which itself is a projection of their fear of being on the outside if opposing views start to be believed, leaving them with less comfort of co-whiners.

 

[shabazz]

Just want a fact based answer to this question.

How do the Raiders go through 3 decades of dozens of coaches, hundreds of players and still be among the top penalty leaders if we are to believe that penalties are arbitrary or a product of coach and player discipline?

now tell me what owners other than Al Davis and Jerry Jones have been more outspoken against the league, its commissioners, and its ruling body more than these guys?

I know, it’s purely coincidence.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

You beat me to it. I was going to mention the NBA officiating scandal. There's a documentary on Netflix about that. Very good watch. There was a couple very upsetting things in the documentary.
1. It's crazy how easily someone involved in a sports league, especially an official to get manipulated by the mob syndicate. Like crazy scary how one innocent mix up, conversation, bet, or joke could be used by the mob to force someone to do their biddings. And the tactics they use to intimidate and coerce people are scary, like threatening to kill your family.
2. Most of the officials would talk about the game they were about ref and what they wanted to call. An example is Allen Iverson ticked off a ref earlier in the season and the refs just targeted him out of spite. It was planned and premeditated before the game.
3. The NBA/David Stern used similar tactics the mob did to silence other officials and make Tim Donaghy out to be a lone wolf instead of the truth that a good number of refs were in on it. Also David Stern said he was allowing the FBI to investigate but right as the investigation started someone from the NBA office leaked the FBI was going to wire Tim Donaghy and get more officials, and NBA higher ups, to discuss their shady practices. This "NBA office leak" happened right as they were going to get physical evidence via wiring Tim D but the press ran the story before Tim D was wired. Like the day before. Shady by the NBA office.

I'm not saying that's happening in the NFL. I could see it happen in the NFL due to Goodell's less then stellar transparency. Like he destroyed all the tapes and evidence from spygate. That's just one example. But again, not saying it is happening in the NFL but that documentary was eye opening and if anything it is a very good watch. I'd encourage everyone to watch it just for the history aspect and entertainment value.

I'll check out that documentary, thanks.

It pains me to say my Lakers were carried to a 'ship by Stern and that corruption.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Multiple times, everyday someone is complaining about Goodell and the refs having it out for the Cowboys. How they will help Brady out to beat the Cowboys or Rogers or anyone. I’ve asked the question multiple times of some of these posters of , “Who, how and why”. I’ve yet to get a response. So let me lay it out for you.

If Goodell has it out for the Cowboys and is using the refs to influence the game the process would play out something like this. Let’s just take one game. Say the first playoff game. Goodell would have to call in or meet virtually with the officiating crew for that game. Then tell them that he wants them to make sure the Cowboys don’t win or at the least if the call is questionable go in favor of the other team. These refs do this as mostly a hobby as they all have full time jobs. Some are Doctors, lawyers, pilots etc. They don’t need the money so you think any of them would do what Goodell asks? They have reputations to protect. Even if one of them accepted, do you think the other 4 would not tell someone? Of course they would because if they didn’t then they would be just as guilty.

And some of you say this happens every week so every officiating crew should have to be in on it. I mean it’s so ludicrous it’s just unbelievable so many here think this is happening.

The officiating crews for any game make mistakes. That’s what you’re seeing and not some intentional attempt to screw the Cowboys. And these mistakes more often than not, even out.

So this “Goodell and the refs” have it out for the Cowboys is pure conspiracy quackery.

Ppl said the same thing about nba refs until it came out they were fixing games. The worst officiated game was the 2016 playoff game against the packers it was so blatant theres no way u can tell me it wasnt fixed

 

[Rockport]

Here. Get properly informed and enough already with your deniability. The Tampa Bay Times even wrote back in October of this 2022 season about such blatant biased favoritism for Tom Brady and now for their own Buccaneers. They even included videos supporting their article, how it's widely known how Brady gets favored/helped by the NFL and its officials, and how even ex-Bucs coach Tony Dungy agreed it was wrong.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/buc...tant-referees-are-tom-bradys-best-protection/

More conspiracy quackery. What this is are just mistakes by the refs. Take off your tin foil hat.

 

[Whirlwin]

Multiple times, everyday someone is complaining about Goodell and the refs having it out for the Cowboys. How they will help Brady out to beat the Cowboys or Rogers or anyone. I’ve asked the question multiple times of some of these posters of , “Who, how and why”. I’ve yet to get a response. So let me lay it out for you.

If Goodell has it out for the Cowboys and is using the refs to influence the game the process would play out something like this. Let’s just take one game. Say the first playoff game. Goodell would have to call in or meet virtually with the officiating crew for that game. Then tell them that he wants them to make sure the Cowboys don’t win or at the least if the call is questionable go in favor of the other team. These refs do this as mostly a hobby as they all have full time jobs. Some are Doctors, lawyers, pilots etc. They don’t need the money so you think any of them would do what Goodell asks? They have reputations to protect. Even if one of them accepted, do you think the other 4 would not tell someone? Of course they would because if they didn’t then they would be just as guilty.

And some of you say this happens every week so every officiating crew should have to be in on it. I mean it’s so ludicrous it’s just unbelievable so many here think this is happening.

The officiating crews for any game make mistakes. That’s what you’re seeing and not some intentional attempt to screw the Cowboys. And these mistakes more often than not, even out.

So this “Goodell and the refs” have it out for the Cowboys is pure conspiracy quackery.

Part time referees. No accountability. We need to give them the benefits . And whatever else they are looking for.

 

[MarcusRock]

Just want a fact based answer to this question.

How do the Raiders go through 3 decades of dozens of coaches, hundreds of players and still be among the top penalty leaders if we are to believe that penalties are arbitrary or a product of coach and player discipline?

now tell me what owners other than Al Davis and Jerry Jones have been more outspoken against the league, its commissioners, and its ruling body more than these guys?

I know, it’s purely coincidence.

Just want a fact-based answer to THIS question. How is it the New Orleans Saints have had this run going on for so long?

2018: Ranked 32nd in penalties called against opponents
2019: Ranked 29th in penalties called against opponents
2020: Ranked 32nd in penalties called against opponents
2021: Ranked 28th in penalties called against opponents
2022: Currently ranked 31st in penalties called against the team

 

[Whirlwin]

There’s no propaganda, no conspiracies, it’s just human error

 

[Blackrain]

Okay, here's a blown up and slowed down video. I think what moves Biadasz head is the DL pushing against his shoulder to try to get by to get to Davis who just ran by. It's also Biadasz who has his head turned that way trying to look at Davis to make sure he's gone. You can see when the DL removes his hand, the facemask doesn't follow. You sure you're seeing what you're seeing here?

That's an excellent picture I can see his thumb coming out from under the bottom of his face mask looks like his thumb and index finger or pushing it to the side his thumb definitely comes out from under the bottom granted it's not violent but neither is what McGovern did.

And I don't care how the officials call the game but it just needs to be consistent at least throughout the game it would be really nice if it was consistent from game to game but you kind of get a feel on how a game's going to be called and then all of a sudden at certain times it starts to be called a different way and it looks like there's some shenanigans involved.


PS I can't believe I'm getting involved in this again I swear not to get into this after 35 pages

 

[Whirlwin]

Just want a fact-based answer to THIS question. How is it the New Orleans Saints have had this run going on for so long?

2018: Ranked 32nd in penalties called against opponents
2019: Ranked 29th in penalties called against opponents
2020: Ranked 32nd in penalties called against opponents
2021: Ranked 28th in penalties called against opponents
2022: Currently ranked 31st in penalties called against the team

Because Sean Payton isn’t the superstar everybody thinks he is. Discipline zero

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Brady does seem to get preferential treatment, no doubt, but that's not league mandated. That's just the refs giving the goat the benefit of the doubt, most of the time. If the league is in some Tom Brady love fest, explain Deflategate. They could very easily have swept it under the rug, but they put in a lot of time and resources to prove there was something untoward going on. After that whole debacle, why would the league treat him like he's their first born?

I believe deflate gate came after another scandal, spygate?

I think they wanted to save face on that one, show they were not in cajuts with the Patriots. I tend to think the league does want him to keep his upward popularity and legend pointing up, he is really a great player, has historical achivementes and is still playing, I don't dispute that. The NFL took him to Europe this year and it was a Brady Fest! People around the world link Brady to NFL products, my nieces who know nothing about football bought his patriots jersey and now want the Bucs.

BTW I appreciate you bring up intelligent arguments and respectful dialogue, even if we don't agree, one of few guys around here who carries himself that way.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

You can believe in this conspiracy theory and I can believe that it’s nonsense. It is still America after all.

Love it.

 

[Blackrain]

Does the term "forcible hands to the face" come into play in a situation like this, or are just a couple of fingers enough?

Hard to say I was just using it as an example of something that could be called with the better close up I see the left part of his hand on the shoulder pad but it's still appears to me as they're the index finger and thumb are up under the face mask and exerting some force but nothing to write home about.

I just would like to see more consistency throughout the game and from game to game.

Kind of like I said before some type of infraction could be called on the offensive and defensive lines on every play if they wanted to.

 

[Rockport]

Referees don’t have to sit down and talk about colluding to screw the Cowboys. All it takes is a little bit of anti-Cowboys bias to get that done.

Moreover there is a bit of a herd mentality. If there is a perception among referees that “league officials” have anti Cowboys bias, then they are going to go with that flow.

Influence can be very persuasive without it having to be overbearing.

Another one with the victim mentality. Sure, there may be an official who was born and raised a Giants fan, but with the Cowboys being the most popular team in American there also could be an official or officials that were born and raised Cowboy fans. As for the perception that league officials have anti Cowboys bias, the refs could care less. They have full time jobs and don’t need the money. They’re not going to risk their reputations to swing games. And another thing, they could never keep it quiet. People talk and all it takes is one to tell someone “we’re calling games in favor of any team that plays the Cowboys” and the public would know within a few months. See how dumb this conspiracy theory is?

 

[Rockport]

As I’ve stated, and like you I never get a reply disputing these facts.

One team has been called for all of these rare infractions. No other team has experienced 2. Most haven’t experienced any of them. They, to me, are evidence of an occasional ref bias. Many realize we’ve gotten some very one sided judgement calls too, but let’s focus on theses because they are unique to one team. (I believe)

1. Illegal huddle. Changed a playoff game wiped out 3 minimally.
2. False start on long snapper to lose game.
3. Delay of game on D-Law for shifting pre snap
4. Two tripping penalties that didn’t happen by all pro center.
5. Unsportsmanlike conduct on Garrett for barely arguing a bad call (has that ever happened except in college basketball)
6. Long streaks of no-holding calls. Like 10+ games despite us having the sack leader and leading the league in reassures.
7. Ref runs from 30 yards behind play to stop snap and prevent final desperation attempt.
8. Refs don’t stop play and make kicker kick two 60 yard field goals. And say they are reviewing a play that happened about 5 minutes in the past in real time.


Goodell? No. Refs that are football fans and hate the team like many other fans? Maybe.

If that’s the case then the Cowboys, being the most popular team in America, would have many more of these bias refs now wouldn’t they?

 

[shabazz]

Just want a fact-based answer to THIS question. How is it the New Orleans Saints have had this run going on for so long?

2018: Ranked 32nd in penalties called against opponents
2019: Ranked 29th in penalties called against opponents
2020: Ranked 32nd in penalties called against opponents
2021: Ranked 28th in penalties called against opponents
2022: Currently ranked 31st in penalties called against the team

that small sample does reflect 1 coaching change affecting the discipline of the players ergo the change in penalties, but how does this single example address 30+ years of the Raiders having dozens of coaches and we are to believe that not a single one was able to effect change? In fact 1 of them was SB winning coach Gruden who’s TB teams were not among the highest penalized in the league during his tenure

the raiders and Cowboys are in the top 5 in penalized teams since 2000. That’s a fact

 

[Rockport]

Exactly. Refs are humans and humans can have a bias either subconsciously or consciously. I feel it's 100% naive to believe the referees ref the game without any biases. I also feel it's 100% delusional for someone to believe the games are completely fixed WWE style.

I personally feel the refs may subconsciously have favorites that influence their judgement as opposed to a vendetta against the Cowboys. I feel Refs favor Brady and Rodgers and in 2014 and 2016 that played a role in us losing. Not the reason we lost but it was there. But I don't truly buy into the notion that the refs with cheat for Brady and Rodgers. So if we do not overtake the Eagles and are the 5th seed and play Brady in the playoffs. I feel and believe we win, cuz there is no amount of bias that can make up for how much better we are playing as opposed to how bad Brady and the Bucs are playing. We go there and we win that game because we're better, even with my belief of favoritism towards Brady.

Why would the refs have a bias towards Brady and Rogers?

 

[OmerV]

He's not right. We have a fellow poster who retired as a ref for NCAA Div 1 games for many years who knows differently through experience.

How would an NCAA ref know that Goodell and the NFL are thinking and doing?

 

[Rockport]

I wouldn’t call it quackery . Fans are frustrated by inconsistent and poor officiating . It’s a natural emotion to become angry.

I’ve yet to see or hear of any specific evidence there is an individual or league wide organized corruption.

Not one fan , sports writer, mediot or team official who has identified any official with a history of consistently making calls which throws games for specific teams .

Frustration leads to quackery.