Goodell and the refs have it out for the Cowboys?

[DogFace]

You can't use legitimate penalties as evidence to prove bias, no matter how obscure the rule. Some officials are more knowledgeable than others, and some teams are less knowledgeable.
If you're referring to Garrett getting flagged after shouting at the red and (IIRC) whipped the red flag or something down, I remember everyone actually being a little proud of JG for that, and I don't remember many saying he barely argued.
The rest is all just perception, IMO, not malice.

Have you ever seen and nfl coach before or since called for that? It was arguing btw.

Have you seen other teams called for any of these penalties? Have you seen one team called for even two of them?

 

[Diehardblues]

He's not right. We have a fellow poster who retired as a ref for NCAA Div 1 games for many years who knows differently through experience.

But unable to provide any specific corruption .

 

[Diehardblues]

I used to do the taxes for a now-retired NFL official who would find your conspiracy stuff laughable. Let me guess, HE WAS IN ON IT!

Serious question, why would you waste your time on a sport you truly believed was rigged against your favorite team? It makes no sense.

That's the fly in your ointment. You don't really believe what you're saying. It's a coping mechanism. Otherwise, you wouldn't even be here.

His official wasn’t able to make any specific corruption accusations. But yea, if you believe officiating corrupts the result of the games then you’re basically a supporter of Fake Football.

 

[Diehardblues]

No proof just more quackery.

I wouldn’t call it quackery . Fans are frustrated by inconsistent and poor officiating . It’s a natural emotion to become angry.

I’ve yet to see or hear of any specific evidence there is an individual or league wide organized corruption.

Not one fan , sports writer, mediot or team official who has identified any official with a history of consistently making calls which throws games for specific teams .

 

[Runwildboys]

Have you ever seen and nfl coach before or since called for that? It was arguing btw.

Have you seen other teams called for any of these penalties? Have you seen one team called for even two of them?

Have you seen every minute of every game? I haven't, so I don't know who's been called for what, but like I said: If it's a legitimate penalty, regardless of how obscure the rule, you can't claim bias. Being such an obscure rule, there are probably a lot of officials who either don't know the rule or wouldn't have it come to mind if it occurred. So it's entirely plausible that we were just unfortunate enough to get the one who did know it.

 

[DogFace]

Have you seen every minute of every game? I haven't, so I don't know who's been called for what, but like I said: If it's a legitimate penalty, regardless of how obscure the rule, you can't claim bias. Being such an obscure rule, there are probably a lot of officials who either don't know the rule or wouldn't have it come to mind if it occurred. So it's entirely plausible that we were just unfortunate enough to get the one who did know it.

I’ve watched 1000’s of hours of NFL games and never have I seen that called on a coach despite guys like Ditka losing their ****.

So do you really understand what I’m saying? I’m saying there are several very rare calls called on one team, so we’d be unfortunate to get all 6 of them on us-which has happened.

What are the odds of that happening to only one team? Bias. Selective enforcement. Made up enforcement. Call it what you like.

*The fake huddle was called two other times in league history And the NFL admitted it was a mistaken call on us.

 

[phildadon86]

Multiple times, everyday someone is complaining about Goodell and the refs having it out for the Cowboys. How they will help Brady out to beat the Cowboys or Rogers or anyone. I’ve asked the question multiple times of some of these posters of , “Who, how and why”. I’ve yet to get a response. So let me lay it out for you.

If Goodell has it out for the Cowboys and is using the refs to influence the game the process would play out something like this. Let’s just take one game. Say the first playoff game. Goodell would have to call in or meet virtually with the officiating crew for that game. Then tell them that he wants them to make sure the Cowboys don’t win or at the least if the call is questionable go in favor of the other team. These refs do this as mostly a hobby as they all have full time jobs. Some are Doctors, lawyers, pilots etc. They don’t need the money so you think any of them would do what Goodell asks? They have reputations to protect. Even if one of them accepted, do you think the other 4 would not tell someone? Of course they would because if they didn’t then they would be just as guilty.

And some of you say this happens every week so every officiating crew should have to be in on it. I mean it’s so ludicrous it’s just unbelievable so many here think this is happening.

The officiating crews for any game make mistakes. That’s what you’re seeing and not some intentional attempt to screw the Cowboys. And these mistakes more often than not, even out.

So this “Goodell and the refs” have it out for the Cowboys is pure conspiracy quackery.

Tim Donaghy.

Go watch the documentary. If it can happen in the NBA it can happen in the NFL. Especially with the crazy amount of money spent on gambling sites. I am not saying it is happening. I am just saying laughing it off as completely impossible is also not fair. Certain things make you question the "ethics" of a league that suppressed a video of Ray Rice until it was leaked and then came out with it. The PI against New Orleans that a blind ref would have called. The multiple penalties in the SB last year to get LA into the end zone. The fact that when Jerry sued Goodell the Cowboys didn't receive a holding call for something like 11 straight games, yet had the highest pass rush percentage in the NFL.

Some of it just doesn't add up. Do I think there is a league wide conspiracy? No. Do I think that games are influenced (not just Cowboys) sometimes I believe they are. Or the referees are just terrible at their jobs. They need to start being held accountable. The referee from last years Thanksgiving Day game should have never picked up a whistle again.

 

[Brax]

You're in denial, Rockport.

Get better informed...

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/aft...me-from-cowboys-vs-packers-once-again.503569/

LMAO, if you believe the games are fixed you’re delusional. You must be a masochist to keep watching the “crooked “ refs fix games. Always a excuse from you, how could anyone believe that 150 give or take people could keep this kind of secret every year, put your tin foil hat on when you watch the games maybe it will help with your problem.

 

[Diehardblues]

I’d be more on board with these Conspiracy Theorist if they were totally denouncing the legitimacy of the NFL as nothing more than organized Fake Football for the sake of entertainment profit.

But they appear to be more about calling out no specific officials who are costing the Cowboys games and more success.

All I’d ask for to begin a serious discussion is specific Refs who we can document making these Bias calls which are costing us games.

 

[Teague31]

Dez caught it. End thread.

 

[Blackrain]

I thought you were trolling in that other thread just to have something opposite to say but do you seriously believe there's hands to the face going on against Biadasz when the DL has an open hand on his shoulder pad and isn't even grasping anything?

Honestly I've watched it over probably 25 times and I see the fingers go in the face mask and move his head about 3 in to the left and in my mind by the letter of the law he has his hands in the face mask it's not a blatant violent face masking or hands to the face but by the letter of the law his fingers are in the face mask and it very much looks to me like it moves his head over.

That said also looking at the holding it looks like McGovern has his hand on his side pushes him as the running back goes by and then lets his own momentum take him to the ground.

If by the letter of the law that is holding I believe by that same letter it is hands to the face on our center that's all I got for you in all seriousness.

 

[Runwildboys]

I’ve watched 1000’s of hours of NFL games and never have I seen that called on a coach despite guys like Ditka losing their ****.

So do you really understand what I’m saying? I’m saying there are several very rare calls called on one team, so we’d be unfortunate to get all 6 of them on us-which has happened.

What are the odds of that happening to only one team? Bias. Selective enforcement. Made up enforcement. Call it what you like.

*The fake huddle was called two other times in league history And the NFL admitted it was a mistaken call on us.

I do understand what you're saying. I also understand that mistakes happen, and anomalies don't equate to conspiracy.

If the league admitted a mistake, why include it as evidence of conspiracy?

 

[Runwildboys]

Honestly I've watched it over probably 25 times and I see the fingers go in the face mask and move his head about 3 in to the left and in my mind by the letter of the law he has his hands in the face mask it's not a blatant violent face masking or hands to the face but by the letter of the law his fingers are in the face mask and it very much looks to me like it moves his head over.

That said also looking at the holding it looks like McGovern has his hand on his side pushes him as the running back goes by and then lets his own momentum take him to the ground.

If by the letter of the law that is holding I believe by that same letter it is hands to the face on our center that's all I got for you in all seriousness.

Does the term "forcible hands to the face" come into play in a situation like this, or are just a couple of fingers enough?

 

[DogFace]

I do understand what you're saying. I also understand that mistakes happen, and anomalies don't equate to conspiracy.

If the league admitted a mistake, why include it as evidence of conspiracy?

I didn’t say there was a conspiracy. In fact, I’ve said at minimum 37 times that it’s extremely unlikely there is any sort of conspiracy.

What I have said is refs are humans. Humans can be biased. I don’t know if refs are, but I know there have been many unique rulings and all to one team.

That’s all I’m saying man. If you believe it’s absolutely impossible for a ref to not like a team, begrudge a team, or love a team then ok. These rare plays and dozens of odd judgements make me curious. This upsets some people’s worldview and I’m ok with that.

 

[foofighters]

Multiple times, everyday someone is complaining about Goodell and the refs having it out for the Cowboys. How they will help Brady out to beat the Cowboys or Rogers or anyone. I’ve asked the question multiple times of some of these posters of , “Who, how and why”. I’ve yet to get a response. So let me lay it out for you.

If Goodell has it out for the Cowboys and is using the refs to influence the game the process would play out something like this. Let’s just take one game. Say the first playoff game. Goodell would have to call in or meet virtually with the officiating crew for that game. Then tell them that he wants them to make sure the Cowboys don’t win or at the least if the call is questionable go in favor of the other team. These refs do this as mostly a hobby as they all have full time jobs. Some are Doctors, lawyers, pilots etc. They don’t need the money so you think any of them would do what Goodell asks? They have reputations to protect. Even if one of them accepted, do you think the other 4 would not tell someone? Of course they would because if they didn’t then they would be just as guilty.

And some of you say this happens every week so every officiating crew should have to be in on it. I mean it’s so ludicrous it’s just unbelievable so many here think this is happening.

The officiating crews for any game make mistakes. That’s what you’re seeing and not some intentional attempt to screw the Cowboys. And these mistakes more often than not, even out.

So this “Goodell and the refs” have it out for the Cowboys is pure conspiracy quackery.

I am going to agree with this. What needs to happen in the NFL is more accountability with the Refs. I think they get way too much screen time and it takes away from the flow of the game. I have no problem getting together to make sure the call is right but they needs to keep moving along. I'd rather see a more physical game played. I don't mind DB's getting a little handsy with receivers. I think we all know an obvious PI when we see it. We need to eliminate singling out the QB. Everyone gets the same protection. Make it one rule. I am tired of treating QB's like they are precious. Make the rules the same for everyone. It's not a conspiracy. Just too many rules. The game needs simplified.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Brady does seem to get preferential treatment, no doubt, but that's not league mandated. That's just the refs giving the goat the benefit of the doubt, most of the time. If the league is in some Tom Brady love fest, explain Deflategate. They could very easily have swept it under the rug, but they put in a lot of time and resources to prove there was something untoward going on. After that whole debacle, why would the league treat him like he's their first born?

Last night Brady definitely did not get preferential treatment at least one time, a Bucs receiver had a pass called incomplete, when clearly he caught the ball, got control and had 2 feet obviously in bounds. Was reversed, but the ref was right there, absolutely no reason he couldn't see it was a completion.

I just think the refs 1. have to contend with a very fast game and 2. have the "threat" of a reviewer, who has the benefit of slow mo cameras and multiple angles, the refs have to be conscious of that.

In the end, proving ref bias is a near-impossible task...

 

[MarcusRock]

Honestly I've watched it over probably 25 times and I see the fingers go in the face mask and move his head about 3 in to the left and in my mind by the letter of the law he has his hands in the face mask it's not a blatant violent face masking or hands to the face but by the letter of the law his fingers are in the face mask and it very much looks to me like it moves his head over.

That said also looking at the holding it looks like McGovern has his hand on his side pushes him as the running back goes by and then lets his own momentum take him to the ground.

If by the letter of the law that is holding I believe by that same letter it is hands to the face on our center that's all I got for you in all seriousness.

Okay, here's a blown up and slowed down video. I think what moves Biadasz head is the DL pushing against his shoulder to try to get by to get to Davis who just ran by. It's also Biadasz who has his head turned that way trying to look at Davis to make sure he's gone. You can see when the DL removes his hand, the facemask doesn't follow. You sure you're seeing what you're seeing here?

 

[Cowboys1966]

What do you care what other Cowboys fans look like to strangers? You do you. Let people believe whatever we want, we have our reasons and they are as valid as yours.

You can believe in this conspiracy theory and I can believe that it’s nonsense. It is still America after all.

 

[Rayman70]

and water is wet. of course he has it out for Jerry. Not so much the team itself. Its more a Jerry vs Roger thang. Power struggle.

 

[Risen Star]

Multiple times, everyday someone is complaining about Goodell and the refs having it out for the Cowboys. How they will help Brady out to beat the Cowboys or Rogers or anyone. I’ve asked the question multiple times of some of these posters of , “Who, how and why”. I’ve yet to get a response. So let me lay it out for you.

If Goodell has it out for the Cowboys and is using the refs to influence the game the process would play out something like this. Let’s just take one game. Say the first playoff game. Goodell would have to call in or meet virtually with the officiating crew for that game. Then tell them that he wants them to make sure the Cowboys don’t win or at the least if the call is questionable go in favor of the other team. These refs do this as mostly a hobby as they all have full time jobs. Some are Doctors, lawyers, pilots etc. They don’t need the money so you think any of them would do what Goodell asks? They have reputations to protect. Even if one of them accepted, do you think the other 4 would not tell someone? Of course they would because if they didn’t then they would be just as guilty.

And some of you say this happens every week so every officiating crew should have to be in on it. I mean it’s so ludicrous it’s just unbelievable so many here think this is happening.

The officiating crews for any game make mistakes. That’s what you’re seeing and not some intentional attempt to screw the Cowboys. And these mistakes more often than not, even out.

So this “Goodell and the refs” have it out for the Cowboys is pure conspiracy quackery.

Case closed. Class dismissed.