Goodell "Thinks" The DeflateGate Investigation Is Nearing the End

[Rogah]

You don't know what's in the report. Stop acting like you do.

That's what makes my statement all the more significant. I am willing to say I am open minded and trust Ted Wells to do a good job. I will accept his analysis, for better or for worse. I am not like the cowards who will only accept the Wells Report if it fits their agenda.

If he says the Patriots engaged in wrongdoing, I will accept that. Are you willing to say that you will accept his investigation if he concludes they didn't? Or are you only going to accept things that fit your pre-conceived notions and personal agenda?

 

[Rogah]

It still doesn't explain why all of the Colts' footballs were not under the NFL limit.

Same environment, but noticeably different results.



YR

What part of "the 2 teams prepare their balls differently" do you not understand?

Seriously, people, it has been explained 1,000 times.

 

[Rogah]

OK, what's your simple science to explain how privately videotaping the opponents' practice is a non-issue?

That would be a huge issue if it ever happened, but it didn't.

The fact that you have to completely make things up from discredited reports and ridiculous rumors proves that you really have nothing legit.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What part of "the 2 teams prepare their balls differently" do you not understand?

Seriously, people, it has been explained 1,000 times.

Well, do the math.

The PSI can be between 12.5 - 14.5 PSI.

Healy is claiming that it would drop by 1.8 PSI.

So, we are supposed to believe that the Colts had each of their footballs in the 14.3 to 14.5 PSI range...otherwise they would have dipped below the league limit.

Yet, they didn't have 1 football that dropped below that limit and all but 1 of the Patriots' footballs dropped below that limit.

Could that happen?

Sure.

But, it's more than likely not happening, especially since the Ravens tipped the Colts off the week before and found footballs that were underinflated the week before.

And we are going with this based on Healy's research and Healy is an admitted Patriots fan (he is also from Boston).

I don't trust fanboy research in the NFL (and in most sports, like baseball's Mitchell Report) because it has failed us time and time again. Thankfully, it appears that the NFL is not using Healy's research to determine DeflateGate.




YR

 

[Rogah]

Well, do the math.

The PSI can be between 12.5 - 14.5 PSI.

Actually it's 13.5, but why let facts get in the way?

Healy is claiming that it would drop by 1.8 PSI.

Personally, I think the 1.8 number is a bit high. I am sticking with the 1.0 number given in that video I posted above.

However, you should note that the Carnegie study specifically mentioned that they pre-treated their footballs the same way the Patriots treat their's, which is most certainly different from what Indy does.

But, it's more than likely not happening, especially since the Ravens tipped the Colts off the week before and found footballs that were underinflated the week before.

Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that that game was played in 25 degree weather where a drop of at least 2 PSI would be expected.

I don't trust fanboy research in the NFL (and in most sports, like baseball's Mitchell Report) because it has failed us time and time again. Thankfully, it appears that the NFL is not using Healy's research to determine DeflateGate.

So then which of the following is your opinion of Ted Wells:

1) You think Wells is legit and trust his investigation
2) You think Wells is a fanboy and don't trust his investigation
3) You need to see the report first and determine how much it fits your agenda and then you will decide how trustworthy Wells is

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

The relationship Kraft has with Goodell is overinflated - pun intended.

Others talk about how Mara has bought Goodell on the Hardy suspension.

So Mara, Rooney, other owners are just going to sit back while Goodell tilts the playing field favorably for the Patriots? Really?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Actually it's 13.5, but why let facts get in the way?

Sorry, I got that wrong. But, it only proves my skepticism even more. Healy is saying that it will deflate by 1.8 and they only have a 1.0 PSI window to work with and none of the Colts balls were under the limit.

Personally, I think the 1.8 number is a bit high. I am sticking with the 1.0 number given in that video I posted above.

Well, you can't say 'see, Healy's study proves that the Pats didn't cheat!' and then when Healy's numbers are disputed turn around and say 'I think Healy's number is a bit high' and not sound like you're contradicting yourself.

3) You need to see the report first and determine how much it fits your agenda and then you will decide how trustworthy Wells is

You don't know anything that is in the report (and neither do I). But the standard procedure would be to wait until the report and hopefully the report will have all of the evidence that the league has come up and their findings and how this caused them to make whatever decision they make. It's sort of like a Peer Review, except you're not actually getting Peer Reviewed. But the evidence and findings along with the conclusions being made and how that came about should be presented to the public. This would obviously be the case if the league doesn't penalize the Patriots or if they do penalize the Patriots.

What I do know about Ted Wells is that he works for Goodell and Goodell has failed to be trusted as a leader of the league. Especially when it comes to the Patriots. That's not to say that Wells cannot possibly be trusted to do a good job, but it's critical that he allow the evidence and findings to be shown and hopefully they come up with a judgment that is reasonable with regards to that evidence and findings.







YR

 

[Rogah]

The relationship Kraft has with Goodell is overinflated - pun intended.

It's all idiocy. The commissioner has a relationship with all 32 owners.

Others talk about how Mara has bought Goodell on the Hardy suspension.

So Mara, Rooney, other owners are just going to sit back while Goodell tilts the playing field favorably for the Patriots? Really?

Exactly. If half of what people said was true, the other owners would fire Goodell in a heartbeat.

 

[Rogah]

You don't know anything that is in the report (and neither do I).

I am asking you if you trust Ted Wells' integrity and investigative skills. My answer to that question is yes. Your answer apparently is to wait and see whether or not his report fits your narrative and pre-conceived, closed minded notions of what happened.

Your bitterness makes victory all the more sweet. Like I said; being proven right is far more fun when I have people to gloat over. Don't ever change!

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Let's say the Wells report acquits the Patriots and finds fault at the NFL office. Mike Kensil most likely should be fired. What does Goodell know?

If the findings turn out this way, then are some of you going to push for Goodell and Kensil to go?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Actually it's 13.5, but why let facts get in the way?
Personally, I think the 1.8 number is a bit high. I am sticking with the 1.0 number given in that video I posted above.

However, you should note that the Carnegie study specifically mentioned that they pre-treated their footballs the same way the Patriots treat their's, which is most certainly different from what Indy does.
Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that that game was played in 25 degree weather where a drop of at least 2 PSI would be expected.
So then which of the following is your opinion of Ted Wells:

1) You think Wells is legit and trust his investigation
2) You think Wells is a fanboy and don't trust his investigation
3) You need to see the report first and determine how much it fits your agenda and then you will decide how trustworthy Wells is

Weak

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It still doesn't explain why all of the Colts' footballs were not under the NFL limit.

Same environment, but noticeably different results.



YR

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You like facts? I do!

Here's one. Cowboys fans NEVER have to defend their championships will bloated nonsensical posts of excuses and bs.


There is no way ragu is cowboys fan!

You think he has these lined up on the mantle with the plastic stadium souvenir cups?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

This is prob more appropriate for the mantle since Ragu is a cheesy guy . . . .

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I am asking you if you trust Ted Wells' integrity and investigative skills. My answer to that question is yes. Your answer apparently is to wait and see whether or not his report fits your narrative and pre-conceived, closed minded notions of what happened.

Your bitterness makes victory all the more sweet. Like I said; being proven right is far more fun when I have people to gloat over. Don't ever change!

So transparent. "Makes victory all the more sweet"?
.

This is prob more appropriate for the mantle since Ragu is a cheesy guy . . . .

"What a fool believes" lol

 

[Rogah]

Let's say the Wells report acquits the Patriots and finds fault at the NFL office. Mike Kensil most likely should be fired. What does Goodell know?

If the findings turn out this way, then are some of you going to push for Goodell and Kensil to go?

Goodell has already played the Sgt. Schultz "I know nothing!" routine. Funny thing is that I honestly believe him. I believe the individual(s) below Goodell who spoke to Grigson prior to the AFCCG tried to catch New England "in the act" - and then it blew up in their faces miserably. He/they never anticipated their own actions would be investigated.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Goodell has already played the Sgt. Schultz "I know nothing!" routine. Funny thing is that I honestly believe him. I believe the individual(s) below Goodell who spoke to Grigson prior to the AFCCG tried to catch New England "in the act" - and then it blew up in their faces miserably. He/they never anticipated their own actions would be investigated.

Pick and choose what you want to believe . . . . . . . . 100% Pats homer!

 

[Rogah]

Pick and choose what you want to believe . . . . . . . .

Better be careful what you say. When you are in here pathetically denying the truth of the Wells Report, your own words will come back to haunt you.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

That's what makes my statement all the more significant. I am willing to say I am open minded and trust Ted Wells to do a good job. I will accept his analysis, for better or for worse. I am not like the cowards who will only accept the Wells Report if it fits their agenda.

If he says the Patriots engaged in wrongdoing, I will accept that. Are you willing to say that you will accept his investigation if he concludes they didn't? Or are you only going to accept things that fit your pre-conceived notions and personal agenda?

The problem with this line of thinking is, you have already made it clear that if found guilty, you don't care. Most people will agree it had no bearing on the game itself, which is fine, but if found guilty of cheating or circumventing the rules again, most fans want to see a punishment that reflects that this team seems to find ways to break rules more often than others. You are painting a win/win situation for yourself, by acting as though the Wells report is the end all be all on this and everyone who doesn't accept it is a coward, when in reality, whether you accept it or not, it doesn't change your opinion on anything.

 

[Rogah]

The problem with this line of thinking is, you have already made it clear that if found guilty, you don't care. Most people will agree it had no bearing on the game itself, which is fine, but if found guilty of cheating or circumventing the rules again, most fans want to see a punishment that reflects that this team seems to find ways to break rules more often than others.

No, it's just that other teams don't make national headlines when they break the rules.

The Atlanta Falcons didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught pumping in crowd noise
The Minnesota Vikings didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught illegally heating balls on the sidelines
The Cleveland Browns didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught illegally texting the sidelines
The NY Jets didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught tampering with Darelle Revis

But the Patriots get accused of a crime and the entire country loses its collective mind.

You are painting a win/win situation for yourself, by acting as though the Wells report is the end all be all on this and everyone who doesn't accept it is a coward, when in reality, whether you accept it or not, it doesn't change your opinion on anything.

Not true. My opinion is that the Patriots did nothing wrong. If Wells uncovers evidence of actual tampering (that's actual tampering, not simply the laws of physics in play) then I will admit I was wrong and they should be punished. Of course, the guidelines of punishment for tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine. Not exactly a capital offense.